Winry Rockbell~

My comment wasn't meant as an attack on Winry, just so you know. I just don't personally see her as very interesting myself. No offense meant to you as a Winry fan or anything.

But back to whoever called her a gold-digger, can you explain? Since when does she use Ed for money? I mean, he pays her, but that's only because she's his mechanic and he's her client. She can't just rebuild his automail every five minutes for free.

Your comment said that Winry was nothing but a love interest and a mechanic, that could easily be replaced. Sorry, but I HAD to respond to that. That's like saying Riza's nothing but a love interest and a gun-woman. Kinda shallow, if you ask me.

-,-
well anyway. I'm only pointing my opinions towards Winry. and when I say "strong" it doesn't mean that she has to kill people. for ME, there's something about her that is just too... 'fragile' for MY personal taste, that's the reason why I don't really like her. maybe my reasons heard so stupid [e.g she's not humorous, boring, etc] but that's just what I feel about her and I don't think that anybody could argue with that.
I didn't say that she has to be replaced, she has roles, yes, like how Hagaren_4ever said.



hmm, after I think about it, somehow I aggree and somehow not -A-'' with the reasons I cannot explain, about she and hawkeye are equally strong.

about the reason why people dislike her character, I'm fully aggree with you because a lot of people, including me, don't like stereotypical anime girl and came to like someone 'believable character' that is the polar opposite but still has the qualities of a 'common girl'. err. how do you say that... -.-''

I never said I didn't dislike Al. I know you're gonna be offended(You've gotta be the biggest Alphonse fan on the site, but like that's a bad thing. XD) But...

Yes, Al can be a bit annoying. He's a bit of a doormat sometimes and can't catch anyone's attention because he's so softspoken. Plus, outside the doting little brother thing....I don't see much in Al. ^^;

But this topic is on Winry. So that's irreleveant. =D
Also...How is it any more rude to say Winry is like Al than to say wha tI dislike about Winry? XD
And no offense to the Alphonse and/or Winry fan in you. Just my opnion. ;D

Maybe it's because english isn't my first language, but I do NOT understand what you're saying there. Care to elaborate? (if you can, of course, sometimes wording opinions out is just too darn tricky... ^^; )
Are you saying you dislike her for being believable, a believable common girl? Well she's common, but not THAT common. She kicks *ss in her own way. I admire deeply her devotion to her work (and the reason for it) AND her kind of works. Mechanics + medicine. Prosthetics. Wow. It's not easy, and you need some mental strength to deal with all the sub-implied consequences of that job.




Well, fine - it's your impression of her and I won't/can't do anything about her.
But... if she WERE humorous, you know what people would say? That she's only there for comical relief. Whoop-de-doo.
There's a saying here that goes like this: "Preso por ter cão e preso por não ter."
(translation: "arrested for having a dog, arrested for not having one". Anyone can take their conclusions out of this)
I don't think she's boring anyway, but meh. That's what I tink. *shrugs*



At Hagaren_4ever:

Your entire post made sense to me, perfect sense actually. And I agree with it. Especially the last bit:



Nuff said!

oh well I thought you were pairing al with winry because you didn't like him that would have been very rude =O
but if you actually like that pairing then...that's your opinion so whatever because I like winry and al and alwin is kinda cute.

but about edwin.
(Warning! End of series spoilers ahead! DO NOT read if you haven't read that last chapter!)its CANON you guys!!
Ed got all shy when Nina asked who he was writing too because he was writing to winry.
then, in the movie, when winry hugged him he was blushing like crazy!
Those two moments made it odvious that he has a killer crush on winry.
and also,
ed and al had fought over who would marry winry when they were little.
so ed odviously loves winry
winry odviously loves ed too.
her whole life practically revolved around waiting for him to come home when he and al were gone for 4 years.
and she keeps crying about ed whenever he doesn't seem to care about her.

You're talking about the first series. Ed also blushed when Winry's tending to his hair. ^^ But I don't remember much more.

But in the manga and in Brotherhood, damn, there are tons of references to that pairing.
Now it's not even a matter of whether it is or not canon. It's a matter of why people still don't like the pairing and/or Winry.


(honey, you need to speel it "obviously", with a B and not a "D" )

(EDIT: hahaha, now I noticed I misspelled "spell" XD here's to irony! PHAIL )

Oh, no doubt EdWin is canon. I simply don't like it, is all.

Well, I suppose people will like what they like. I'm the kind of person that isn't really bothered that easily. I never saw a reason to hate Edwin, so I never bothered with it, since I knew it was gonna happen from the start, so why not just let it happen?

Though, by that same logic, I'm also okay with pairings like Alwin, Edroy, Edling, or whatever you wanna like. I just like Edwin because it always wins in the end, and I am winner.

Though, I think the problem is that a lot of people think that all Winry haters are Ed fangirls and yaoi lovers but they're not. I don't know, I guess everyone has a least one character that they don't really think fits. :/ Oh, well. People hate what they hate, ya know? I wouldn't get too bent outta shape over it. It's not meant as an offense to you, it's just that they don't like something you do. Gosh, maybe I'm just talking in circles here, I don't know if I'm making any sense. ^^'

if i'm completely honest i do think most people who hate winry do because they either love ed or ed and others in yaoi. i honestly cannot beleive that people hate her because she dosen't fit because she completly does. it would just be silly. it's pretty simple in my mind. i personally love the pairing. i find it better than the awkward looks and meetings on the streets of people who are intended to pair up in anime like shakugan no shana. edwin is much more interesting (btw completely my opinion)

What I don't understand is those people who hate Winry because she's "violent" and they take this so seriously talking about abusive and manipulative relationships and act like they are such a saint of a good person thinking Winry's got major issues and we need to get Ed away from her. But what really gets me is the people that think like this - fine go ahead and take issue with comic violence - but they excuse Izumi beating on Ed because it's got a "deep rooted emotional cause" yet while they're willing to probe deep into the teacher's mind to figure out why she smacks her students around they won't do this for Winry. To them, Winry is just violent, manipulative and bitchy.

I disagree. I think Izumi and Olivier seems b*tchy sometimes to me too.
But they're b*tches that I like.

No, there's really no reason for any of them to do this to anybody. I just don't like Winry because she's bubbly and strong, a mechanic and pretty, outgoing and loving, klutzy and emotional....

If she had some sort of magic ability to heal something or cried tears that grew rhododendrons and more males in the series had a crush on her, I'd consider her a Mary-sue. Then again, so is Ed, somewhat, in male form. But I'm not a big Ed fan either.

I'm totally in it for the military. And if a single person says that any one of Roy's team is a mary-sue/gary-stu, I will probably go nuts and disagree vehemently.

Show me differently and I will eat my words gladly.

Well I wasn't referring to how you feel. That little rant was fueled by a group of people I recently saw that do think like that.

The fact that you're using the term mary-sue in a work that isn't fanfiction shows how valid your feelings are. You must not know very much about characterization.

But if you're just in it for the military then fine, no problem. Just stop using the term mary-sue to validate an otherwise weak argument. Make a real defense for why you dislike the character or admit that you don't have one. There's no reason why a character that has all the traits of a well rounded and well developed character should irk you or warrant the juvenile name calling of "mary-sue".

If a character displays Mary Sue traits in something that isn't fanfiction, they are called Canon Sues instead.[/TV Tropes ruined my life]

I don't see how Ed is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu/whatever. Well, I mean, admittedly he does have a few of the traits of one. He was a child prodigy in alchemy, he's the youngest person to ever pass the entrance exam and become a State Alchemist, and he's one of the last surviving members of an ancient race... I just disproved my own point there.

<Reminder>

Everyone, please remember that everyone is entitled to his/her own liking disliking of any FMA characters. Discussions on such likes/dislikes of the FMA characters on the designated thread such as this one are fine as long as both party are willing to participate, but you guys don't need to escalate it to the point of starting the direct name calling of FMA characters, or start talking about hurting other FMA fans to emphasize your point. Please choose other words to explain your train of thoughts. (I made quick edits of parts of you guys' posts that are expressing such. Please feel free to re-edit and change to other expressions. But no direct name calling of FMA characters, nor expressing your intention of hurting other FMA fans, please. ^^ )

Sometimes I wish the idea of the Mary Sue had never entered the world....

A character should be judged through careful consideration of all their aspects along with the setting and merit of the individual story - not merely by picking out certain traits on a list that would mark them as a "mary sue" or something equally ridiculous. You can't analyze a character that way.


Tombow, you edited my other post so it seems that I'm saying Winry is manipulative and bitchy ^^; I don't feel that way, I was saying that other people do. Is it okay that I changed it back to something similar but less direct?

<Yes, of course! ^^ Yeah I couldn't quickly come up with more accurate substitute expressions. Sorry!! Please feel free to re-edit as you see fit. ^^ ~ Tombow>

My opinion:

EdXWinry is just one of those things that works. I mean... no one else would probably tolerate how she gets angry like that without getting past it seeing that she smacks him around because she's worried about him. And he only stayed away because he didn't want to hurt her(I think..... ), and hecause of the ultimate goal thing they had goin' on.

AlXWin.... not working. Although he's a main character, he's got the make-up(Without the armour, of course) of a not-quite-minor-but-not-main character. He's kind of a pushover, and Winry likes her men tough(Not to say he isn't!).

I don't think Winry's a Mary Sue, although the stupid titles probably shouldn't have been made in the first place. A Mary Sue's a perfect character, right? Well, her killer temper makes it hard to say she's 'perfect'. No one's perfect. Ed's not; he's a shrimp, XD. With an even bigger temper.

-is currently eating words via spork- It's salty...=P

I still stand my ground, even if my reasons are being doubted. Winry rubs me the wrong way, Ed seems too perfect(I know, he messed up and such but he's got so much power and good looks.....sigh. I'll be quiet now) , and I'll leave it at that. Say what you want. XD

Also, I feel I should apologize. Sorry if I offended or scared anyone, I acted a little stupid there. Got a bit emotional. XD

I can't say I actully hate Winry or Edwin. Winry is a great character, she is pretty and everyone admires her in some way. The problem with EdWin is that it is so predictable.

Of course, most of the pairings in anime are predictable but in Fma, there are many many hints about their developing relationship. In my opinion, from childhood friends to potential lovers is a lame plot. What I like is realism. Most people meet their destined companions as adults.

As I said, everyone keep expecting somethign to happen, Hawkeye even tells it straight to his face and Hughes said somethign about Ed seducing a mechanic. EdWin was first a joke in manga as it usually is in real life if some people fight a lot but still are in terms. People tend to classify persons and things to make life simpler.

What I hated the most was that Edward was trying to deny his feelings while Winry was okay with them. Of course it goes with their personalities, and Edward doesn't propably want to even think of a love affair with anyone while Al is still an armor. What I would have liked a bit more ws Ed admitting: "Yeah, I like her and will marry her one day."

All in all, the pairing is predictable. Everyone thinks they are meant to be together. The onyl thing they wait for was the day they would admit their love to each other. Still, I woud have liked that Edward met another girl and got hooked up with her. C'mon Ed, you're a great catch, greater in anime than manga but still, there would be dozens of girls behind your door in line.

Maybe the shows just portrays old values.

Misty-Nala - I understand disliking the thing of "it's predictable," but if it wasn't, that would arouse tons of complaints. Look at Al and Mei, a whole bunch of people are whining about them possibly getting together, saying stuff like "there are no hints whatsoever, why would they jsut randomly end up together?" and stuff like that. It would be the same with Edwinry. I tihnk the reason Ed denied was, well, hey, he's a 16 year old kid. Also add in the fact that there was a huge possiblity of him dying somewhere along the way.

Why on Earth would you want Ed to hook up with another random girl? That would be...just...pointlessly dull and stupid. Arakawa is a MUCH greater writer than that...

The hints are in black, so don't read them if you haven't read up to book 19, or seen more than 25 episodes of Brotherhood.
Please feel free to remove this if they give too much away.
I support EdWin, let's get that straight.
However, I can also agree with those who don't like it. I mean, Winry is not the most complex character, though cute as a button.
She displays qualities that are less than appealing, such as being the reigning princess of nagging.
Pic related.

Both the manga and animes (no, that's not a typo) present her with having no real horrible qualities, like being a closet serial killer or something. If anything, she is the poster child for "the perfect girlfriend." At least, automail wearers seem to like her...
On another note, Winry was becoming increasingly less of a sympathetic character. Hiromu actually, I feel, gives in to the [i]moe[\i] craze during the Briggs chapters. HER EYES ARE SOOOO BIG. During the Scar/gun scenes, she becomes the tragic heroine I know and lurve so much.
On the other side, Ed is a dip when it comes to romance. Like his father, hehe? So, while some people want these two opposites to attract, others want the oil to stay seperate from the water. (Really bad analogy)
So, yeah, I can understand.
But, I still support the pairing, because it is adorable and canon and opens up an avenue for "big brother teasing time."
Plus, the author sets it up for you to want it. I mean, there's tension of all kinds, and together, and apart, and...ARGGGHHH.

Winry isn't a complex character? How so? I mean I find it hard enough to define a "complex character". I've never thought Ed was really a complex character. I know a thousand screaming fangirls who will tear me apart for saying that but still. But I can say Ed's a nicely developed character. It really all comes together nicely by the last chapter. And I've always thought Winry was a really nicely developed character. All the crevices of who she is, how she feels and how she acts - I think it's all been very well thought out and brought into play over the course of the story. One of the reason I love her so much is because I can clearly see how she's been characterized and developed and I think it's all brilliant. Yet there's still more to her character that I can discover.

Ah, I should have rephrased that. Winry is certainly a developed character. And Edward isn't complex, I agree there. I was trying to say that, because she doesn't leave you guessing what her motives are at the end of every chapter, many people could lose appeal. (I can only think of Haruhi from Ouran Host Club as a suitable example.)

Or, I could just have no clue. ' My view on the characters can be a bit...skewed at times. Can you say yuri goggles?
Either way, I support this pairing, and have the doujinshi to prove it! >w<

That would have been akward.
A random girl thrown in the plot just for the sake of being Ed's girlfriend?
I can't imagine Ed being with any other girl than Winry. Their personalities suit each other very well. They were friends who gradually came to like each other, and there are enough EdWin moments to prove that.

FMA isn't really a shoujo manga, so I can't see any dramatic turns between EdWin that would make them unpredictable. That would be kind of strange for FMA, don't you think?

As for Winry, she's a developed enough character, though not the best. As many have posted before, fans hating Winry probably are merely just jealous.

Ah, okay. Yeah, I can see how if she's not a character that keeps you guessing someone could lose interest. I think the only characters that have ever kept me guessing in FMA are Ling/Greedling and Alphonse. That may seem weird (especially about Al) but that's how it is Still have interest in them all though Winry always kept me thinking I guess.

I don't know, maybe I want some change. I think it's not good to spend your youth with just one girl. It would make the story more complex if Ed had some one-night-stand kind of girl, unless she was some alchemy genius like he is (MarySue). But really, it's about personal preference. I like Fma story the way it is, both of them, I don't ean to offend it. I just think being interested of other girls is normal and should be experienced before becoming an adult.

Why would Ed being hooked up with another girl be stupid? Of course, having only one destined girl for Edward makes the story more understandable and simpler than Edward having different girls in different towns. In my opinion, hooking Ed up with another girl can be made a good sideplot if it is done by a good writer.

^ I think that would do BAD things for Ed's character. It would make him less like-able to a lot of people. His devotion to Winry is sort of like his devotion to his brother. It's just the kind of person he is. He's not the sort for distractions. And, especially considering the fact that he is only 15 years old for the majority of the story, Arakawa probably wouldn't want to deal with the controversy of painting Ed's character, the hero in the story, as a guy that goes around sexing up the ladies and then leaving them. xD It's a story for a teen demographic, after all. It just doesn't seem consistent with his character. Haha, I hope I'm making sense here. ^^

Umm... Excuse me?
I met my first and only boyfriend at 16. I'm 21 now. Tomorrow, exactly at the 22nd of July, it's gonna be our 5th anniversary.
I never before felt the need of being with anyone before him (of course I had crushes and all that...). I was NEVER the type of person to hook up with someone just for the sake of making out. I started going out with him because I felt this incredible pull towards him. Hook, line and sinker.

Ever considered that Ed never really paid any attention to girls? He was completely focused on their objectives, so everything else was basically sidetracked. (especially "random" girls that he barely had any time to get to know. If he were like Roy I'm sure he wouldn't have any problem hitching a girl in every town, hehehe...But Ed's not focused on the physical, he's just not the type. It's his own personality kicking in full-force here)

I think being interested in other people is healthy, of course, but I've got nothing against finding your one true love at first hit. Sounds cheesy I know... But hey, he's the one for me - my first hit -, so why couldn't Winry be the one for Ed?
Note that my bf is 6 years older, so I was partically attracted by his (apparent) maturity. (XD)

I see nothing wrong with Ed slowly (and reluctantly) realising his feelings for the girl he knew best in the world. I think it's actually really cute. Everyone knows what most teenage boys think about girls... some don't care about girls, while girls daydream about having boyfriends. XD

Well, all this just to say that I completely disagree with your little idea of having Ed go through some random one-night-stand. Don't mean to be offensive or anything though, but that's... Just not him. He's never waste time on that.


Probably Ed has such strong feelings toward Winry because - in an odd way - he finds in her the mother figure he lost. I don't mean he sees her as his mom (eww?) but it's actually a very strong phsychological factor in most men's mind. She tended his wounds, nursed him, took care of him, supported him, scolded him, etc. Feelings could pretty darn well sprout from all those moments... Plus, they know each other's deepest scars and accept them. They're still in love.
That's adorable, IMO. <3

(I'm sorry if I sound kind of agressive, I really don't mean to! But I reread my post and I sound a bit.. IDK, harsh? Sorry. <3)

I know all that, Edward isn't the type to jump from one bed to another. I repeat once more, it's about PERSONAL PREFERENCE. That is my reason why I don't like EdWin and I think my opinion is understandable.

BTW, congrats on having luck with finding a boyfriend. I'm turning 19 next week and I still haven't found the first one.

Keep your chin up, the time is not yet right for you!
OCs are fun, though I agree it would change Ed as a character. I like EdWin a lot, just because you look at them and go, "Awwww..."
Kinda like Hughes and Gracia.
Oh snap, could that be a reason why Winry is at that house so often? For the parallels in relationships?
On that note, I just got a future image of Ed with a hypothetical daughter, flashing pictures in everyone's face and being a general annoyance.
Squee.

HUGHES. *cries* I miss his annoyance still.

Aww! That would be so cute! But kind of un-Edwardish...but then again...I don't really know about his preferences with children. ^^' He'd probably brag, though, lol.

"Look at my young child's superior alchemy!! Hahaha!"
Something like that.
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Haha, just realized what thread I was in.
So, EdxWinry...yeah.
I feel like the pairing is "easy." It doesn't hurt to like it, and there isn't much conflict in the relationship. (Unless you count them both being clueless) I mean, this isn't RoyxRiza, where there is a job and enemies and protocal.
This is just two kids in love.
Any thoughts?

Well, taking the two characters' personalities (and looks, hehe) and part of their pasts, it would actually be interesting to have them meet as teenagers or young adults instead of old friends, having had different lives before they met. That scenario would be terribly romantic - and then, yes, I would picture Edward as someone who'd already been in a relationship before. Hmmm. *daydreams*

Jumping from one bed to another...
You're right, your opinion's perfectly understandable. I'm sorry that I might have been a tad harsh, just because my opinion goes the oposite direction. ^^;

Oh. Don't worry, you'll find someone sooner or later. We have a saying that goes like this: "Better alone than in bad company." So trust me, you'll find someone special eventually.
Just be cautious with some guys. You're not a silly 15 or 16-year-old anymore, but a woman in love with the wrong guy always acts like a little child. XD


In fact, I often wonder if Ed will end up actually spending most of his adult life travelling. But that's not appropriate for this thread. -.-

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@ imuhana:

Well yeah, they're two kids in love. Of course. ^^ Two SHY kids for that matter. It's more than just your typical teenagy passion fling, because of all that they've shared before.
Usually in the beggining of a relationship it's mostly about passion, being replaced by love over time. I think in their case it might be both.
of course, it's kind of funny to think of the two of them being passionate at all, considering Ed's shyness and all that. Though he's also stubborn and he knows what he's after.

the main reason most people hate winry is because she's to aggressive and over reacting in the manga. In the first anime she's not as bad but is still very aggressive. I really dont see how its bad enough to hate her in the anime tho. but hating winry often leeds to hating edwin because EVERYONE who watches the show likes ed, and sometimes winry doesn't seem good enough for him.
honestly in the beginning of the manga i didn't really like it, it seemed to much of an abusive couple, but then when the thing happened with scar i changed my mind and it was wonderful! and through out the whole animeseries i loved edwin, ever sense episode 6 when ed was writing a letter to her.
nina: "ooh a letter, who are you writting to?"
ed: "A PERSON IT DOESN'T MATTER!" >///<

......LIES. XD

I personally don't like Edward(I've said this before somewhere. XD. He's alright if he's in the background, but too much of him has made me...Eh. XD Plus, toward the end, he lost everything I ever loved about him, so he wasn't my version of Ed anymore. Therefore I dislike him. Does that make sense?) and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just like with Winry, some people just don't like his personality.

Though he is cute. ^^

Just felt like I should tell you that, so you have the facts straight. ;D

I never saw them as an abusive couple. It's like this--they both have short tempers, but they both care about each other anyway. Kind of like Ash and Misty from Pokemon or Ron and Hermione from Harry Potter.

Do you mean the parts where Winry hits Ed with a wrench? Those moments were just there for comic relief, and seriously, if that really was a big of a deal or "abusive", the "blood" on Ed's head wouldn't have magically disappeared two seconds later. XD Also, they way Winry can control Ed from making stupid decisions is like Riza controlling Roy from lack of responsibility in his work. ^^

Not everyone likes Ed. o_o' (not to say that I don't! XD)
But I don't think there IS any other girl that deserves Ed. Winry is the only girl who has known him long enough and care about him, AND she has a personality to match Ed's. She is the only girl that knows him and what he is like. And honestly, I can't see Ed with any other girl than someone like Winry.

Actually I like Winry way better in the manga, because she has a much better role and develops mentally and emotionally as a character. But that's just my preference.

I think they're cute together, and it's always dandy to have a mechanic as a gf when you've got automail

though I wonder if she would fall in love with Ed if he had remained small, because she said she didn't want to marry either him or alphonse because she was the tallest when they were kids.

As has been said before, I think that it is easy for people to see Ed and Winry having a brother and sister relationship, especially early on in the story. Even though Ed and Winry mature physically over the duration of the manga, the way they treat each other is still often in an immature, bickering sibling manner.

Also, Winry is extremely emotional, while Ed can be pretty callous and insensitive to her feelings at times. Later on though, we see him respecting her wishes more and more, such as speaking to her more about his journeys, challenges, etc. We could all tell that at the very least Ed found Winry attractive, but in some regards he's still an immature teenager (completely understandable given the circumstances, however). Ed is also very bashful and uncomfortable expressing his feelings, which is pretty normal for adolescent boys.

Even though Ed and Winry officially got together at the end of the manga, they've progressed emotionally a lot since the start of the series. Sure, their communication isn't the best, but given their devotion to each other and eagerness to learn they will continue to mature together.

Though I prefer the Ed/Rose pairing, I never really understood why people hated Winry that much.
I don't mind the pairing at all. If you think about it, Ed kind of needs Winry for his automail, and they've been friends since they were children. They have been through a lot together.
At the beginning of the first series and the manga, I didn't really like Winry either. But as the story went on I found myself liking her more and more every episode she was in. And besides, the people who actually hate Winry to no end and want to kill her off are probably jealous because they're Edward fangirls, and can't stand the thought of another girl being around him...

I don't hate her either. I've seen worse characters in other anime/manga, and I actually liked most of the female characters in FMA because they weren't stereotypically weak damsels in distress, as are often portrayed in other anime/mangas.

I liked the fact that she does something more mechanical in nature, which is the kind of stuff most women don't like to delve into, or are not usually portrayed working with.

Personally, I don't quite see how she would have a romantic relationship with Edward, as it's only comically hinted at by other characters. Sure, maybe they have feelings for each other, but as people have pointed out, it seems more like a childhood relationship than a full blown romantic one.

I don`t get why so many people don't like her, either.

In fact, I wasn't even aware that many people didn't like her in the first place! lol

I have no problem at all with Winry in neither versions: manga, FMA 1 OR FMA:B, though I do prefer her in Arakawa's original versions (Manga and FMA:, but that is very personal XD

I don't see her as "not fitting for Ed" either and never could see them in a brother/sister relationship, cause they don't act like siblings even though they were raised together.
They're intimate but their intimacy always had a level of fancy and annoyance that's typical of those who are in love with eachother (and one of the main proofs of that is that EVERYONE knew before they even noticed themselves: Alphonse has always known, Riza noticed and even brought it up...)

For me, hating her or edwin (like hating either of the animes or the manga on the so tiresome "versus" discussions) has little or even nothing to do with the characters itself or even their "qualities", but to a personal experience combined with personal preferences and a tendency to over-dramatize things. XD

I was actually surprised when I saw Winry haters...not because I was surprised people hate Winry, but the reasons why they hated her. I actually like her, and I think EdWin is cute...but I also think they have a sort of brother-sister relationship...

Ed+Winry=flying wrench

<Hi, ElricAbuse! Welcome to the board! Could you please try expanding on this comment? Do you like or dislike Winry and/or EdWin, and why would that be? When posting in discussion threads, please add thoughts to discuss!

This should serve as a reminder to everyone thinking of posting in this thread, too! >

ETA 5/5/11: { Welcome to the board, eccentric_intellectual! I'm glad you could join us!

Since your post is concentrating more on you liking Winry, rather than discussing reasons as to why people dislike Winry and/or EdWin (and why you think that people shouldn't think that way) I have moved it to the Winry Fanclub thread. Also, don't panic, if you notice that some of your post has been covered by spoiler tags --if a mod picks up on something that is considered a spoiler, they will cover it up. But if you know you're typing a spoiler, please make sure to use spoiler tags. }

I guess people might dislike, or even hate Winry because of the way the first FMA anime portrayed her. She didn't really seem to have a important role there, not even in the Elric brothers life; at times, Ed seemed kind of indifferent toward her, and that may be why people disliked the idea of them together.

I never considered the 2003 Anime to be canon though (always kind of saw it as an "animated fanfiction" of some sort, lol. That's not to say I thought it was completey bad. I did like a few things in it). In the manga, however, I think Winry's character is very well rounded, and I liked how she developed through the story. People calls her a "Mary Sue" with no flaws whatsoever, but that is not true at all. She makes mistakes, but she also learns from them, and try her hardest to be better at what she does; partly to help Ed move forward.

Also, she provides such a great deal of emotional support to the brothers, and is always there for them. And they obviously loves her very much (but in two different ways I might add).

...I guess that could be one of the reasons why -the fangirls at least- seem to hate her so much. xD

@Sakuyahanabi I can agree with that.
After watching the 2003 anime I really disliked her, so when I watched brotherhood and read the manga I wasn't too happy to see her, but as the series progressed I began to like her. Then I re-watched/am re-watching brotherhood and I've actually come to love Winry.

Winry and Ed, much like Riza to Mustang and Ran Fan to Ling, even May to Al, I think each serve their purpose on how they affect that character and to me at least, I think its a little more special to see their interaction, that differs from that with others, to give you more of an insight on the character(s).

If that makes any sense, I'm not very good at explaining things

All in all, in my opinion, I think the 2003 anime did give Winry different maybe even bad impression, but also a lot of other characters too. Not that it wasn't a good anime or anything, but I think the characters act a lot different in the manga/brotherhood than in the 2003 anime.

I agree with this. The first time I watched the first anime I really disliked Winry as a character. I didn't think that she was very strong, and was pretty useless. And her relationship with Ed didn't really appeal to me much either. Not much happened with her basically, and I just sort of found her annoying.

But then I read the manga and absolutely fell in love with her. She's my fourth favorite character now. (Behind Roy, Riza and Ed.) I thought that she was stronger and served more of a purpose than just being Ed's automail mechanic. And also, her relationship with Ed was so much stronger in the manga/Brotherhood. I found it a lot more interesting.

So I can see why Winry might be disliked, especially for people who have only seen the first anime, or saw it before they read the manga.

As for Edwin, I can see why people might not like it. Personally, I love Edwin. But people might dislike them because they're constantly clashing with each other and screaming. I mean, Winry's always beating him with a wrench. As an Edwin fan, I know that it's their weird way of showing affection lol But that kind of thing doesn't appeal to everyone, you know?