Hehe... I finally decided to join the forums since I post here every now and then anyway whenever I try to update Viki on some stuff and I can't physically find her (aside from which, Viki had been trying to get me into FMA and into this forum for a while now).

FF7 is also my favorite FF game. I'm actually bordering over "obsession" over it, but not as obsessed as I am over Chrono Trigger (and Viki over Suikoden).

A couple of comments from posts above:



Try going against Sephiroth equipped with a 4x summon attached to a Knights of the Round materia, and a couple of mime materias. Easiest way to get rid of him.

Of course, the easiest boss to beat in any game ever is still Yevon from FFX. Cast undead, full-life, and he's gone!



Hehe... I remember the time when you told me when you first saw Rinoa on a poster that you thought she looked like Tifa. But yeah, what else is new? Square must only be using one 3D model for each female lead character - they just probably change the hair length, height, and colors.



I actually had a theory about this once, which eventually got me into a debate in an FF7 forum. I lost, but would you still care to hear?



Nope. She wasn't mean to Cloud - it had been her friends who were mean to him. They kept him away from her, so Tifa never really had contact with him at all. The only time they actually spoke was when Cloud called her up to the well. Which is kind of funny, considering that some people still consider them "childhood friends" when they were really more of acquaintances.

For up-to-date news on FFVII: Advent Children, visit this website:
Advent Children.net

I'm looking forward to FFXII, although I really hope that the story is as pretty as the graphics. I've yet to see a really good FF story after FFVII.

Oh, I'd like to hear that debate! Anything related to Cloud=Zack=Cloud=Sephiroth's Clone is interesting since I just don't understand~

I hope you're ready for a pretty long post.

We all know that in the beginning of the game, Cloud has confused himself with that of another person. In his story when they were in Kalm, he had taken over the role of Zack. And then we were made to think that Cloud was actually just a Sephiroth clone, until the lifestream event, where Tifa had proven that somewhere in that confused Cloud is the real Cloud, and had brought him out into the open once more.

First we try to explain the Sephiroth Clone = Cloud bit:

If you visited the basement at the Nibelheim mansion after the lifestream event, you'll be able to see a long cut-scene about what happened to both Zack and Cloud after the Nibelheim incident. In an attempt to create a new Sephiroth, Hojo tried to inject liberal amounts of Jenova cells into both Zack and Cloud (and all other survivors) as an experiment. "Clone" at this particular point shouldn't be taken in the literal sense - it just meant that Hojo intenteded to create someone as strong and effective as Sephiroth had been. And since real SOLDIERS are Shinra troops who can withstand extreme effects of Jenova cells being inserted into their bodies, Zack was able to remain sane, whereas Cloud wasn't.

I had to mention that because it's important for my next discussion.

Now we move over to the Cloud = Zack bit, which is where the debate comes in:

The debate had first begun when someone had mentioned that Cloud only fell in love with Aerith because he had taken over Zack's personality and all that. Aerith fans denied this of course, and a few state that Cloud did not confuse all of his memories with Zack at all. A very good debater (the one who had defeated me. ) believed that it was actually Sephiroth who had distorted Cloud's memories as such, all so that he would be even more confused and break his will. Either that, or Cloud was trying to, and I quote, "remove himself from the entire trauma by remembering the incident through the eyes of someone else".

Several proofs had been stated which would prove that Cloud couldn't have had confused his memories with Zack - he knows he's born in Nibelheim instead of Gongaga. He had the memory of talking to his mother. Later in the game, he agreed with Tifa that the people occupying the newly built Nibelheim were different. Zack wouldn't have gone up to Tifa's room to look into her closet, play her piano, and read her letter - that would have been an invasion of privacy, and in someone's house he didn't know, to boot.

Then again... why would Cloud go into Tifa's room?

Since Cloud is trying to avoid Tifa during the entire Nibelheim incident, why in the world would he brave going into her house, look into her closet, play her piano, and memorize her letter, knowing that in any minute Tifa or her father could come in and see him?

Going back to the game, we hear Sephiroth say the following:



So the Jenova cells had merged with Tifa's memories. That explained my question earlier, right? And since it happened to Cloud with Tifa, why not with Zack's?

So my argument is that it is still possible that Cloud had confused his memories with that of both Zack and Tifa, thanks to those Jenova cells merging with their memories, mixing and adding them up along with Cloud's other memories in his head. And since the Jenova cells are more powerful than his own, Cloud's own memories of his own role during the incident gets pushed back in favor of these new ones.

Now let's return to the proofs that Cloud had not confused his memories with Zack:

- Cloud knows he's born in Nibelheim instead of Gongaga.
Tifa would know this.

- He had the memory of talking to his mother.
He did. But compared to all the other recollections he had, this one had been pretty vague.

- Cloud agreed with Tifa that the people occupying the newly built Nibelheim were different.
Tifa would know the townspeople. Even more so than Cloud, considering that he had been away for two years until the incident occurred.

- Zack wouldn't have gone up to Tifa's room.
Tifa would know what's in her own closet, would know what's written in a letter addressed to her.

Just several additional ones my main opponent pointed out:

- Cloud recognized Tifa before she recognized him at the train station
Zack would know who Tifa was during the Nibelheim incident.

- He recognized Jenova in Hojo's lab
Zack would know Jenova, too.

- He recognizes President Shinra
So would Zack.

However, as with all theories, mine had several flaws which my opponent had pointed out:

- If Tifa's memories got mixed up with Cloud's, how come he couldn't remember the promise they made until Tifa reminded him?
- Sephiroth mentioned, in the same scene where he said Tifa's memories had merged with Cloud's, that Cloud had been constructed by Hojo, piece by piece. Which, in the end, we know is a lie. So does this mean that the one he said about memories was a lie as well?

The part about the promise is where I knew that I had lost. I couldn't explain why Cloud couldn't remember the promise, especially when it had been an important memory for Tifa.

Even though Tifa had said the following:



... and even though I could probably say that the things Cloud knows that he shouldn't doesn't only have to be the Nibelheim incident (since she didn't know he was there), and the things Cloud should know but doesn't doesn't have to be limited to the promise, I don't have evidence to prove this. So, I lost gracefully, declared the winner, and bowed out of the debate.

Anyway, that's the entire discussion on the Zack = Cloud thing. Choose which you want to believe. I admit, I lost the debate, but I still believe in my theory, and am trying to find further evidence to start this discussion over at that thread again.

If you've made it this far, thanks for reading! Hehe...

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Well.. I asked for it, I suppose~ Those were some pretty good arguments, though! But if Sephiroth had really manipulated Cloud like that... how does he know all this (memories of Zack, Cloud and Tifa) stuff? Is Sephiroth psychic or something? Although he's all-powerful, he can't read minds, can he??

Bah. All you FFVII fanatics. Its good, but not THAT good. I prefer IX.


My bro is so obsessed he claims VII had better graphics than VIII or IX. Thats just silly.

Nope, FFVIII's still my all-time favorite! ^___^v

Um, did you bro mean in-game or CG scenes? Cuz I gotta admit FFVIII doesn't really excel at the in-game graphics. ;;;

Well, to each his own, I guess. I agree - FFVII is good, but not that good that it can make me blind to all the other FFs. I loved FFIX, and story-wise I prefer FFVI better than FFVII. The characters were just so likeable in FFVII. (As for me, my favorite is still Chrono Trigger, but since this is a Final Fantasy thread, I won't go there.)

I can't believe your brother said VII had better graphics though.



Well, assuming he wasn't lying, he knew something about Jenova cells merging memories and stuff. As for reading minds, I doubt it.

@____@ o~k... that was long... and i still didn't understand anything T_T it feels like xenogears all over again...

Beware the next time you sleep over at my place then, Viki. I'll try to explain everything to you, and then we'll see if you're not even more confused come morning!

I think Xenogears is more confusing though. Chrono Cross even worse.

The wonders of pre-VII FF games. Simple, easy-to-understand but beautiful stories, yet they're awfully difficult to play.

@___@ uh-oh... must somehow drag len to come then... hehehe, distraction, diversion... you guys talk while i sleep, ehehehehe....

anyway, so, any news if the Final Fantasy characters in Kingdom Hearts 1 made it into KH2? or were they permanently kicked out, again? (I told ya, cloud had one wing, mjhermi...)

...I liked Squall better in Final Fantasy VIII. Though Angel's voice fit pretty well! Hmm-hmm.

at first, i didn't want to believe Kh's voice over was star-studded (i man, haley joel osmet for sora?! mandy moore for aerith?!)... but then again, it is disney...

does everyone agree that FF char designs have improved in KH?

Hmmmm, everyone except Squall. He looked like a friggin futuristic cowboy or something. -_____-;; Voice good, clothes not. Um, Cloud was uber-cool with Vincent's claw hand. XD Kakakakakakaaa~ OK, it was stupid. Cloud merged together with Vincent? I think it would have been better if Vincent appeared -- seperated from Cloud. And... I haven't seen Sephiroth yet! Is he still uber cool too? I hope so.

Since Cloud is my favorite chara from FF universe (cant help it, ff vii was my first rpg on ps1, so im kind of nostalgic about it).
and i DEFINITELY <3 the cloud of KH!!

He was uber-cool, like I said. The cape, that claw, his fighting ability and cool attitude. Cloud was Vincent.. -______-;;; Like Cloud was Zack.

Maybe they had this poll of favorite characters and Cloud and Vincent came out in a draw. So instead of taking only one they merged them together, see. Clocent Vinud or something. <=== note my intelligent use of name-fusing skillz.

awesome name-fusing skillz. makes me envyous. :,3

shouldn't zack be included in the cloud/vincent name fusion thingy?

Hmmmm, Clozaent Vicknud The Ultimate FFVII Warrior. Or do I have to include surnames as well? (what's Zack's surname? Does he even have one?)

Yep, Viki, I stand corrected.

Cloud was cool in KH. Squall was not. He looked awful! The transition from "realistic looking" to "cartoony" just didn't cut for him.

With regards to Cloud and Sephiroth, you should see the fight between them in KH: Final Mix. So cool...

Hmm... FF characters in future KH games? Last I heard, the FF characters in KH1 would appear in the GBA game KH:Chain of Memories. I don't have much news in KH2, except for Auron appearing. Based on a screenshot, much like Cloud, it's assumed that Auron is working for Hades and would be fighting against Sora.



That was great!

Zack's surname had never been mentioned in the game, so I suppose you have a free reign to guess what his last name is.

ok, going back to the final fantasy topic... does anyone know when FFXII comes out? *sigh* the leading girl is another rinoa/yuna/garnet look-a-like... i'm starting to get sick of the FF character formula... I bet one character is a cute little female thief (yuffie/selphie/that small kid w/ the small wings in ff9/rikku), another is an aggressive no-nonsense guy (barret/that blond guy in shorts in FFVIII-- forgot his name, but he lvoes to eat hotdogs and he has this tatoo on the left side of his face/the armored guy in FFIX/Wakka), the serious types (vincent valentine/quistis/that girl w/ the eye patch in FF9/lulu) and... well, Cid.

well... this is not accurate, just my POV. I wish they'd start something new though.

I think you mean Zell Dincht there, Chibi_Viki

Loves to eat hotdogs really gave him away, he's such a sucker for them!

i just noticed that there is another point why i luv suikoden more than final fantasy...
THE HERO DOESNT HAVE A SWORD AS A WEAPON !!! in every FF game, the hero has a sword as a weapon (ffx-2 is no real ff game =P)
gs1 -> staff, gs2 -> wodden things (dunno whats it called ^^)
(and gs3 is no real suikoden ^^)

those wooden things are called, tonfa, my dear, Rolfie... ^^

i don't mind sword-wielders... i like sword wielders...

aaah arigato viki ^^

currently i look forward to ff 11 which comes out soon in germany :> only as PC version though... ~_~

FFXI, although i would like to try and play it, it's just impossible for me. not only is it expensive, i don't think my system can meets its requirements either...

It's taxing on the computer system, it's expensive, plus you can only have one avatar. But it's in 3d, you actually get to see your armor change, and the variety of jobs you can have for your avatar isn't limited to just one. Reminds me a little of FFV...

Just in case you would still like to try it though, you can download a benchmark which can check your computer's performance if it can handle FFXI or not. Mine barely made it. (sweatdrop)

yours barely made it? then that means mine will definitely not.

oh well... I'm not an FF-fanatic anyway.

My current war record:

FF1
FF4
FF6
FF7
FF9
beaten.

FF2 - 50%
FF3 - A painful 50%
FF5 - A long 50%.
FF8 - Some distant time to come, I will force myself to finish this one.
FFX - As above.
FFXI - It haunts me in my sleep... o.o 56 White mage. Alexander server.

Hmm... mine would be:

Finished:
FF4
FF7
FF9
FFX

Not played yet, or to be completed:
FF1
FF2
FF3
FF5 - played only up to 10%, if I'm not mistaken...
FF6 - watched somebody else play it from start to finish, am currently too lazy to play it myself
FF8 - 90% completed in PC version. PC got formatted. No plans of playing it again so far.
FFX2 - my PS2 can't read the stupid disc for reasons I don't know. Oh well. 'Not like I'm crazy over this one anyway.
FFTactics - 50%

Than my super record would be:

Completed:
FFVIII

Not Finished:
FFVII (almost there, though)
FFX
KH

-_____-;; I'm pathetic.

War records, eh? Most of what I play for RPGs are Square Enix products.

Completed:
- FFIX
- Parasite Eve
- Pokémon Red Version
- Pokémon Yellow Version
- Pokémon Gold Version

In progress:
- FFVIII
- FFX (I'll be starting a new game soon, though I think this game is a little overated, as is FFX-2)
- Kingdom Hearts
- Parasite Eve II
- Xenosaga I
- Devil May Cry II
- Soul Calibur II
- GTA: Vice City

Ahhh, I should work on some of these, but alas, I lack the time.

war record, hehehe:

PS1:

EDIT: FF5, FF6,
FF7, FF8, FF9
FF Tactics (unfinished)
Legend of mana
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia (Destiny 2)
Dragoon
Megaman Legends 1 & 2
Megaman x5
Super Robot Wars (incomplete bec. I was stupid enough not to upgrade T_T)
Wild arms 1 (finished, wild arms 2 (incomplete bec it was stupid!)
Suikoden 1 & 2
Rhapsody (AAAAAGH!!! PLEASE STOP SINGING!!!)
Monster Rancher 2
Bust a Move 1 & 2 (the dancing game)
chrono trigger
chrono cross (unfinished bec. I got lazy)
Xenogears
Parapa the rapper (unfinished out of frustration)
Persona 2 (unfinished)
Valkyrie Profile
Star Ocean 2 (unfinished)
Silent Hill 1
Legend of Legaia
Shaman King
Thousand Arms
EDIT: Lunar 1 and 2; Arc the Lad 1-3;
(ok... i've forgotten other titles...)

ps2:
Suikoden 3
FFX
FFX-2 (unfinished)
legend of legaia 2 (unfinished... frustratingly cliched and stupid)
Megaman X7 (also unfinished)
Disgaea (unfinished)
Wild arms 3 (diddo)
Narutomate Hero (diddo)
Shaman king Funbari spirits (button mashing at its finest!)
Fullmetal Alchemist: Tobenai Tenshi
Xenosaga (unfinished also cuz the story made my head hurt)
Grand Theft Auto
Kingdom Hearts
Dynasty Warriors 4
Simpsons hit and run
EDIT: Devil May Cry; Arc the Lad 4 (unfinished); .Hack//sign 1-2 (unfinished, got bored); Zone of Enders 1 & 2;

this is not my complete list... i tend to pick up a game at random and play... how do i have the time to play the all? well, let's just say this started my occasional insomnia, hehehe....

Well, if we're going to add non-FF games in this one, my incomplete war record (minus the FF games) will be:

SNES:
Super Mario World
Chrono Trigger
Seiken Densetsu 2-3
Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon: Another Story
Rockman X 1-3
Tales of Phantasia
Donkey Kong Country 1-3
Bahamut Lagoon (unfinished)
Super Mario RPG (unfinished)

Genesis:
Tiny Toon Adventures
Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon

Saturn:
Sakura Taisen 1

PS1:
Chrono Cross
Tales of Destiny
Seiken Densetsu 4
Rockman X4
Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure
Suikoden 1-2
Gran Turismo 2
FF Tactics (unfinished)
FF8 (unfinished)
Tales of Eternia (unfinished)
Legend of Dragoon (unfinished)
Threads of Fate (barely started... this one was a woozy...)
Wild Arms 1 (unfinished)
Valkyrie Profile (unfinished)
Xenogears (unfinished)
Chocobo Dungeon 2 (unfinished)
Groove Adventure Rave RPG (unfinished)
Thousand Arms (unfinished)

* I left a lot of unfinished games in the PS1. I guess it's because my family only got a PS1 after I already have my PS2...

Dreamcast:
Sakura Taisen 4
Kidou Senkan Nadesico
Donald Duck's Adventure (forgot the real name...)
Evolution (unfinished)

PS2:
Suikoden 3
Kingdom Hearts
Sakura Taisen 1
Dynasty Warriors 4
Gran Turismo 3
Dead or Alive 3
Zone of the Enders
Xenosaga 1 (unfinished)
The Bouncer (unfinished)
Virtual On: Marz (unfinished)
Robotech: Battlecry (unfinished)

Not my complete list either. Also, if I had listed down the games I had played during the Famicom era, then it would take me a long time before I get to post this message.

I play because it's my way to get rid of stress. I prefer bashing buttons than fighting back or throwing stuff around. When do I play them... I usually play after work, and during weekends. I sometimes do all-nighters for them... hehe...

There had been a time when a lot of guys were surprised that a girl such as myself had played as much as I had. I'm lucky I met other girls who share the same interests as I do when it comes to video games!

oh yeah... The Bouncer and Zone of Enders 1 & 2 ... those were great games! Zone of Enders 2 was pretty addictive and the story is better than 1.

This has become the official War Records Thread.

Man, you're game-freaks. Whatever are you doing with FMA anyway? And it seems you guys like the Tales series. Any of you have "Tales of Symphonia"?

...I'm going sooo off-topic here. -___-;;

Tales of Symphonia? Oh, that's MJhermi's department.

we've been waiting for it, and MJHermi is the one who'se updated with the matter.

I really just wanted an opinion since I bought it on-line and will be expecting it next week or so. It got a good review and the characters are just too cute!! The storyline strongly reminded me of Square's "Crystal Chronicles"... ^__^;; Don't know if that's good or bad... I never played more than two years into the game.

So yeah, just wanted an opinion of someone who has actually played the English version of it.

Oooh! Tales of Symphonia! (gets all giddy)

To be honest, I haven't really been looking up on the Tales of Symphonia for the GC, as I don't have a GC (haven't gotten around buying one), so whatever I would say, you've probably heard of it already. (blush)

Based on other forums, it's said that Tales of Symphonia is by far the best RPG for the GC in terms of story and gameplay. The battle system is an improvement from the previous Tales games (they're now moving in a 3D environment instead of 2D), however, you still have control of your preferred character, and can give commands to others. No single button clicking in any Tales games, as far as I know.

Nobody's complaining about the dubbing so far, so I suppose that one's okay, too.

I'm waiting for the PS2 version to come out, at least. The PS2 version has some added story and animation scenes. It comes out on August 22, same day as FMA2 and Sakura Taisen V! There are, however, no plans to translate this version into English. Which brings me to the following complaint: Why is it that whenever Kosuke Fujishima-sama (my favorite artist!) is the artist for a game that I really want to play, it never gets translated in English in the console that I have?!

Okay, rant over.

Anyway, I'm expecting much from Tales of Symphonia. The first one (Phantasia) is the best IMO (but of course, that one hadn't been officially translated into English either... and guess who the artist is?), and Destiny was good. But Tales of Eternia did not amuse me. At all. I'm hoping this one would catch my attention again. Even if I have to play it in Japanese.

(grumbles even more about the harsh realities of life)

Woh! Now I gotta have the PS2 version too!! More cutscenes~ Heh, if you didn't know already I adore cutscenes!

Concerning dubs/language: I'd like to hear both English and Japanese. I haven't heard anything about dual-language-thingamajigs installed into the game, though...

Well thanks for the info (you made my day -- and added giddiness about the PS2 version ) and sorry about the off-topicness!!

Non-FF games, too? I shall make an edit. (see my previous post)

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since the forum would explode if i write which games i "mastered" , i just give a small summary:

SEGA Master System:
almost every Sonic game
Alex Kidd

SEGA GAME GEAR:
too much to list (about 40 games or so, cant remember them either...)

SEGA MEGA DRIVE (Genesis in usa i think):
All sonic games, shining force 1 & 2, many RPGs like soleil, story of thor etc.

GAMEBOY:
few games like zelda etc ^^

SNES:
almost every squaresoft game which came out in europe live secret of mana/ evermore , breath of fire 2 etc.

Nintendo 64:
both Zelda games, mario 64 and others

Gamecube:
Zelda wind waker and Resident evil (only have 2 gc games )

PSX:
too much to list, almost every ff game finished, ff7 mastered (ultimate save ... too much money so the first numbers are codes cuz the psx cant handle it ^^)
megaman x3-5
granstream saga, azure dreams, suikoden of course, megaman legends 1/2,resident evil 1-3,silent hill 1, grandia

Dreamcast:
Sonic 1/2, Phantasy star online, Qu*ke 3 xD, shenmue, grandia 2, dead or alive (YES, i bought it because of the titz >_<;;)

PS2: silent hill 2/2, resident evil code veronica, ffx, ffx2 is way too boring, the only ff game i quit before finishing... (well f9 was boring too, but finished it ^^)
DEVIL MAY CRY 1 & 2 , my favorite game series !!!

whew... thats all i remember for now ^^

wow. rolf^, viki and hermi, that's pretty much, you played... i'm envious....

yea for me, ZELDA(link to the past) and FF7 were the best games i ever played in my life^^^^^^^^

i know i know there are many other games that maybe are better than these, and i also regeret.....

You guys just don't have a life.

So, Prins_Zoisit who's your favorite character from FFVII? (And which Zelda do you mean?)

he said which zelda he means ^^
Zelda: A link to the past... I just love this title XD write Link with capital letters and it gets another meaning xDD

hehe, omakase, yes..... LIFE <-> GAMEZ

... my favorite chara in FF7 is Cloud and Ruffy...... *sigh ... i played this game maybe 5/6 years ago... na di can still remember the town of Ruffy, this asian-like town wit this huuuge mountain.......... these memories will last forever i love this game^^^^^^

î am one of those who doesn't change the names of the characters if they're introduced the first time..

yea, a link to the past...... the first time i played it, i couldn't defeat one of the 3 end bosses in the light world, the game rested for maybe a year, but then, when i defeated those knights who were dancing all around you, i made my way through.........^^^^^^^^

wow rolfie! you're the ultimate gamer in this forum! @___@

I really haven't played any legend of zelda (playstation loyalist ^^)... but after seeing the preview of the Latest Zelda game and Tales of Symphonia, I'm starting to have dark thoughts on buying one...

(*mutters to self* no! remember... japan... japan... with MJHermi...)

ack!

Ooooh, my mistake Rolf, didn't see that. ^__^;;

And I don't like to change names either. I did it one time just for laughs because I was sleep-drunk (o__O). I changed Rinoa's name to Jack and Angelo's to Jill. Man, I was buzzed.

never mind, omakase, you just thought it was a link to the past

hehe

Funny, a dead link!

uh-oh, I sense "offtopical posts" in the air-nii.
Seems like it is the new standard in this forum to offtopic every topic-nii.
But as soon as It is funny I don't care-nii.