do u guys ever wonder if we are ever in the matrix, after seein the movie it makes u wonder doesnt it

... No.

have u been watchin HBO today

wish we were, so i could write a subroutine to b**** slap you for all of eternity for such a stupid question...


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He He what kind of stupid question is that?

well i think it is a possibility that we could be in the matrix and the matrix created that movie that way would never beleive in te matrix and be trapped in the matrix forever

MMM?
Interesting thought

or...



It is just a cool movie

yeah there is that

Heh-heh, I'm good

but your theory is a good one

You know, it could be possible. I mean, think logically. The truth is, nobody knows. Everything is possible since humans only use 10% of their brains, but the possibility of humans making a movie about something that is real, that they don't know about is like one in a hundred. So I guess I don't believe that we are in the Matrix.

Of course it's possible. The real question is "do I care?". Even if this is a matrix world, you still have pain, joy, love, hate, life, death, etc... So, live and don't worry about it because if you are in the matrix, you'll still die.

i find this idea too boring and not worthy to discuss...

I agree in that it's impossible to prove otherwise. It becomes a debate of futility. The only value that bringing these things up philosophically is to show possibility and to offer a context for other philosophical questions.

It's like scepticism. One is only sceptical about everything until he/she gets hungry. Then they fully believe in something (that they must eat).

Then...why'd you say that?

Anyhow. It's an interesting idea, that the movie could be there just to throw us off. Y'know given rational, critical thought (with some liberal suspension of disbelief) this makes for an engaging argument.

Think of this, if the movies didn't exist, and someone told you they'd realized that we lived in a computer simulation of a real world, you'd figure they were crazy. But if they were a trusted friend of yours, and had very compelling but circumstantial evidence to back up their claim, you might begin to take them seriously. Well, okay someone might, anyway.

But, in the light of said films, anyone would naturally write off someone with similar claims as a schizophrenic person whose delusions were being fueled by Hollywood.

Doesn't hold too much water, but it's a fun one to kick around anyway. Maybe good for a short fanfic story.

arche, what's that from? It sounds like it's from something. If it isn't, then I must praise you for your very strong insight, and eloquent tongue.

hmmm... i think you should watch the ring. I watched it last night and it changes a lot.

That's the standard philosophical defense against scepticism. I believe Hume may have brought it up, but it's used quite often all the way back to Hellenistic Philosophy (against Sextus Empiricus type sceptics).

yea, i like that sentence too^^

Not that Zoisit needs me to justify anything, but it is good for him to say this as it does help show the difference between pedestrian philosophy and high level technical philosophy and I think that Zoisit is showing how this question really is more pedestrian (as I know his interests and knowledge is quite high).

As I've said above, the point of these discussions is to show other things than to just wonder if we are in the matrix. Anyway, I've mentioned this in other threads where this comes up, but if you're looking for a good technical philosophy treatment of this type of subject, I'd refer you to Hilary Putnam's Reason, Truth and History. The first chapter deals with the brain in a vat issue. Be warned, however, that in the first two chapters of the book, he is quite technical and you may need to refer to some other materials regarding reference and meaning in 20th Century philosophy. The rest of the book acts as a good reference for general 20th century analytic philosophy of reference and meaning.

Thank you for my sentence. I probably did rip it off from somewhere word for word, but I can't remember. I just remember discussing it a lot when I was studying Hellenistic Philosophy.

Why is the matrix called the matrix?

...thank you, but i will never reach your level of understanding things and be so eloquate(like those jesuits who are famous for argumenting so logically and calculating ideas so shocking(with the medium of rhetorics) that even a non-believer will say "yes" to God at the end of this discussion^^) like you, arche... but you also have had to study this thing whut you studied....(I'm so jealous-__- *sigh -> rhetorics really is such a powerful thing!)..

maybe when i am 30-40...(of course after i have ended my studies in engineering and i got some money from work)... i'm gonna study a "Geisteswissenschaft"(a science of minds(arts subject/humanities) i dunno the exact word)... like Philosophy or Psychology, or maybe Germanistic^^... i hope so^^^^^^

P.S.: I am sorry for that i often say(post) what i feel without seeing the consequences...

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uhm, i looked it up in the dictionary... it comes from the latin word "matrices"(matrix=plural) and it means -> mother, womb, uterus, etc

Sounds like a general Humanities studies.

I'll admit that I need to work on my physics understanding. I've been reading a bit in conceptual physics to be able to think more about philosophy of science.

And rhetoric can be powerful. Those who neglect thinking about them can find themselves believing incredible things.

technically, even if it was the Matrix, we still would have to do what we have to do.... so it doesn't really matter. We were sent here for a purpose and if this is the Matrix then that most likey breaks our purpose. That means we have to think that there is The One, and many more people. This is my theory

i thin that we do live in the matrix it semes like it in my world i live in...!...

i donno...because it is?

Couldn't have put it better myself...

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Wouldn't it make more sense to say: "By the hand of God, i am an angel[...]"?

How dose that relate too this?

I'll never trust a guy in shades again...

Interesthing thaught but i wouldnt think about it seriously cus its kinda

dumb to.... so what if we are in matrix hmmm... actually id like to find

the answer of why if we were

i believe that we are in a matrix but not created by machines but society

yes yes we do why 100 page of crap about has 2 be something

I agree, the movie makes me think strange thoughts.
We'll never know, anything could be real and anything could not be real.
Only after death shall we know any truth

Bellow is my theory. i made it up a while ago and its a bit long winded. if you could be bothered reading it id love some feedback.

What is life all about? i mean really, you could give all this stuff about what this religion believes, or what that scientist prooved but in the end it all starts with the phrase "it could be". so i purpose of this writing is to get down my share of "could be's" and hopfully make some understanding of our existence. to start with is religions (i know its not the matrix but its a pretty close relative). in the vast majorityn of religions they all claim to have choice but they also claim that their lord has some sort of "master plan". Now it sounds to me that these , in a way, contradict themselves because the world would have to be in a certain way for "god" to carry out his "plan". if this is so then there is no such thing as choice. i can justify this by saying if gods master key resides in a human (it should otherwise what is the purpose of our existence) and that human chooses to go "screw it, why should i? you cant force me"

that was an extract because i coundnt be bothered typing any more. basically i think the possibility of living in a matrix or somthing simmilar is a high possibility because personally i think our religions have it entirly wrong.

Possible yet impossible all at once
Things that make ya think *points to Connaz's post*

Ha! I remember when I was little where I started thinking of the possibility that we humans crash-landed on earth after a bunch of people fron the Star Wars universe had a hyperdrive malfunction XD

yes the movie does you get you thinking, but if you watched revolutions it wouldn't really matter if it existed because humans and machines are at peace now. :]

I hated revolutions. It was a craptastic movie, and had nothing to do with fighting the Matrix. Which is what they were supposed to do
It's just as bad as the Animatrix, where everybody died

nope...
cuz i dont think a computer can controle you.. aand i dont think that you can get metal in you.. and put a long metal dix in your head..

Disgusting, and uncalled for.
And what are you talking about? Doctors do it all the time in brain surgery and haven't you ever heard of people with metal plates in their heads or other body places (even insides)?

Seriously, why couldn't there be a Matrix?
I mean, there are noone who really knows the full meaning of life.
Why are we here? How did we get here?
And these unexplained phenomenons? Like UFOs, aliens, ghosts, deja vu... If we are in The Matrix it would make a lot more sense saying that the system crashed or got a virus, instead of trying to explain something that you can't.

I don't know, but most people here seems so negative about this question. Do you people know the truth since you act like this?

I'm not saying I know, but since noone knows the Truth of Truths... Why couldn't we be in a Matrix?

I shall answer all the above questions with two words: Who cares?

Is this a new religion? or a new cult?

Bill and Ted's excellent adventure is more believable than the Matrix. Plus Keanu Reeves does his best acting as Ted "Theodore" Logan.

Damn strait.

What I didn't get about the Matrix was the reason for getting people out of it.
Surely it would be better living in an artifcal world that no real problmes than a real yet bleak apocoliptic one where machines try and kill you.
Seem's like those on the "Outside" just wanted those "Inside" to suffer needlessly.

If you don't care, then why the f*** are you in this discussion??
Damn...

Just expressing an opinion. Don't get all grummpy with me.

I know, I know, I'm sorry... I just get too much into things sometimes...

offtopic: bloodhunter your sig is huge ( it takes up half my screen!)
is there any chance you could make it so that the images are in one row instead of one collumn?

Umm... Say what? I'm not good at this...

I think even if we were in the Matrix it would probably be nothing like the move. Theoretically if we were in the Matrix no one would be able to tell other wise.

I never got why being on the matrix was so bad.
I mean would you prefer to live in a normal world that happens to be fake or live in an appocolyptic hell that happens to be real?
The films made no sense!