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Raenef_the_fifth
Some people believe that if you have a terminal disease, it can be healed by your mind.
What are your views on this?
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Kenji
No...if we can heal ourselves...then doctors and surgeons are devils that sucks away our money just because we are too lazy to heal ourselves...

God gave us marijuana, cocaine etc etc etc... to help us fight disease...but somehow, some of the corrupt humankind misused it...

Wanna fight cancer? Just eat watermelons everyday and always be happy... This will help cure cancer...serious!!
Vash_the_Gunslinger
I think our minds can heal some things. Probably not cancer, but definately some illnesses. I once heard that somebody was sick, but they didn't feel it because of their mind. That is how powerful our brain truly is.
Kenji
But nevertheless...we human are only using 5% of our brain... Einstien is using 6%
Vash_the_Gunslinger
You mean he was. He is dead. Also, why are you obsessed with watermelons?

Back on topic, I think that the quote, "It is 90% mental", can come into play here. tongue.gif
Kenji
@Vash_the_Gunslinger Sorry for the past tense error...err...watermelons? OOh...there is a research proved that a compound found in watermelon can cure cancer... Just suggesting a way to keep cancer at an arm's length...

Back to topic,

Basically...one of the way to promote "healing mind" is thru yoga. Yoga relaxes the mind and I came across an article quite some time ago about an Indian man resides in India lived for a very long time without eating and drinking by practicing Yoga in a cave...

But nevertheless, I am not so believe in "healing mind"... perhaps only a number of people might be able to do it... with miracle, of course...

Our body only can replace tissues which are damaged [in this case, operation is also considered damaging tissue] and automatically cure disease if we have vaccine planted in our body... If we can heal disease, why we are taking paracetamol and aspirins when we are fever?

Perhaps human is now trying to venture into the "Forbidden Zone" now... and someone eventually succeed...

A very mind-boggling topic to debate... hahaha...
Chiyo

What you are talking about it what many faith healers try to achieve. They can say as much as they want that a spirit is taking the evil from you (I am not aiming this at God, this is any 'faith healer'). What happens in most cases is a person is so willing to believe they will be healed by the spirits that they do increase in health. In many cases however, the brain has not cured them at all and only made them better for a while.

You can be talked into paralysis if someone has enough influence on you. You are not actually paralysed, but you can't move. In the same way you can think yourself better but this is not usually a long term solution. You may as well take a placebo.
asunder
QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 3 2007, 01:39 AM) [snapback]500232[/snapback]
But nevertheless...we human are only using 5% of our brain... Einstien is using 6%

this is a myth. we're actually using quite a significant portion of our brain. Recently we're able use functional MRI imaging to see enormous activity in the brains of live human beings.

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

edit 1: I merged the threads.

Also the mind is a powerful entity, It can create pain and affect physiological functions. It can give the false sense of pregancy even all the way to delivering water instead of a placenta and a baby.
Pyschosomatic pain - is the name for false pain caused by your brain....back pain...limb pain etc.

Pseudocyesis, or false pregnancy: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/health/0...nyt&emc=rss
Kenji
False pregnancy... gosh... that disease exists...I read before a disease about a woman that doesn't know she was pregnant untill she gave birth without the help of anyone... The world is getting weirder and weirder...

Reading the “This is one of the classic examples in medicine of how the mind affects the rest of the body.” in the article seem to make me feel like want to agree 99% on this topic... =.=

*Slaps...yelled at myself "Hey...time to accept some real time facts...Einstein decade facts are outdated" *
Vash_the_Gunslinger
QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 3 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]500367[/snapback]
False pregnancy... gosh... that disease exists...I read before a disease about a woman that doesn't know she was pregnant untill she gave birth without the help of anyone... The world is getting weirder and weirder...


Give us a link to that story. She would have had to have conception from the sperm meeting an egg cell. I have heard of reptiles doing it, but not humans.
Kenji
Sorry...that article dated years ago... I cannot find the link on web because I read it in newspaper...if you all thinks I am lying...just ignore me... and can request for my post to be deleted...

But your theory is right..she was a single girl lives in a house with her mother...
Vash_the_Gunslinger
Her age? This would have been in the news then and now.
Kenji
This dated years ago...so I seem to forget a part of it... but I am not lying...
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Vash_the_Gunslinger @ Feb 4 2007, 02:58 AM) [snapback]500544[/snapback]
QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 3 2007, 09:13 AM) [snapback]500367[/snapback]
False pregnancy... gosh... that disease exists...I read before a disease about a woman that doesn't know she was pregnant untill she gave birth without the help of anyone... The world is getting weirder and weirder...


Give us a link to that story. She would have had to have conception from the sperm meeting an egg cell. I have heard of reptiles doing it, but not humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_pregnancy
Kenji
Err...Popo...he wants the link that have an article about a girl that doesn't know she was pregnant untill the day she gave birth herself...

Not false pregnancy...but is a rather "unknown pregnancy"
I am affraid I can't find back the article, because it dated many years ago...
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Kenji @ Feb 4 2007, 02:41 PM) [snapback]500839[/snapback]
Err...Popo...he wants the link that have an article about a girl that doesn't know she was pregnant untill the day she gave birth herself...

Not false pregnancy...but is a rather "unknown pregnancy"
I am affraid I can't find back the article, because it dated many years ago...

Ah sorry.
I've heard of such cases. It is uncommon but not unheard of. I can't find an article on it, such things tend not to be that news worthy. If there was an article I would be surprised.
Vash_the_Gunslinger
If there was an article, I would be surprised also. Thanks for the help anway, Popo.

@Kenji:

You don't even know her age?
asunder
i need to smack you all for not being able to use google.

http://ard.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/63/1/108

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...p;dopt=Citation <---girl with turner's syndrome (XO) having spontaneous pregnancy.
Kenji
*Ouch

TIME to be surprised, Vash!! XD

wow...Biological skills comes handy before reading the link...

I am not sure about her age and I am not sure weather she is a Turner Syndrome patient... I repeat again, I forgotten the inappropriate part of the article, such as age, condition...etc...etc...etc...

Nevertheless, this is the disease I pointed out... thanks Asunder
Vash_the_Gunslinger
Nice to know that you need someone else to find your crap for you, Kenji.

I also would appreciate pictures of this girl who miraculous birth.
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Vash_the_Gunslinger @ Feb 5 2007, 02:00 AM) [snapback]501093[/snapback]
Nice to know that you need someone else to find your crap for you, Kenji.

I also would appreciate pictures of this girl who miraculous birth.

Why? Honestly, is it that important? What does even have to do with Alternative medicine?
asunder
QUOTE(Vash_the_Gunslinger @ Feb 4 2007, 10:00 PM) [snapback]501093[/snapback]
Nice to know that you need someone else to find your crap for you, Kenji.

I also would appreciate pictures of this girl who miraculous birth.

this was a pointless flame. you could have very well have looked up the information yourself. Kenji was correct, you were wrong. With two scientific articles, that's all the proof needed for this off-topic debate.
Kenji
@Vash Nevertheless you wants to put the final blame on me... =.=

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We swayed away from the original topic...

QUOTE(Raenef_the_fifth @ Feb 3 2007, 09:12 AM) [snapback]500124[/snapback]
Some people believe that if you have a terminal disease, it can be healed by your mind.
What are your views on this?
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I offer my sincere apology for dragging this pointless debate about pregnancy... but we gained knowledge too right albeit in a wrong way... ^.^
kempoka8h
QUOTE (Amol @ Nov 15 2006, 01:23 AM) *
I dont belive in alt. med. ... they dont always work.
Herbs and stuff .... i havent ever seen them produce results as people say they do.
I think its use less.


"I dont belive in alt. med. ... they dont always work."
Well, the same can also be said for conventional medicine. Nothing works 100% of the time for everybody.

"Herbs and stuff .... i havent ever seen them produce results as people say they do.
I think its use less."
I have. However, the same caveat should be applied to alternative medicine as to conventional medicine: Do your research, consult with practitioners from both sides, then decide which modalities, conventional and alternative, would give you the best chance of feeling better.

QUOTE (arche @ Feb 4 2005, 07:45 AM) *
I believe there is alternative medicine laugh.gif

Seriously, I'm pretty sceptical of alternative medicine. For the most part, I feel that it's results are often the same as a placebo (sugar pill). I guess I'd like to hear about reputable studies done for it and then I'd be more interested in the results.

Important note: If it works, that does not necessarily mean that the reasons why it works are right. For instance, just because I feel better because I've been poked with needles doesn't prove that there is some spirtual energy that's being manipulated in me. I don't like how mystical explanations get for it. Positive results are never an indicator of proof.


I think that the spiritualist part of it is a way that cultures have used their existing knowledge base to draw parallels between the known and the unknown. We do the same thing today.

If someone believes that it is "energy manipulation", that's okay. If they can manipulate energy and fix the pain in the shoulder I broke, then I'll write them a check. I'll also apply DMSO, heat and swallow a tylenol or two. Between these efforts, I might get some relief.
People might gasp and say, "No! Tylenol's not good for you!" I didn't say I was going to chew up an entire bottle. I said I'd swallow a couple. And as far as whether it's "good" for me? Neither is the cigarette I'm smoking. It's just that it works for me.

"A man's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have a beer."
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