Oh I don't know, when a girl starts kissing a girl she's either impressing a bloke or she's lesbian.

Actually I can remember a lesbian storyline in Neighbours, but not a gay one (mainly as one ofthe lesbians had my name >_<). But yes, when it comes to being overtly homosexual its stereotypicaly more obvious in males.

well, mainly stereotypicaly because of television, but I have a second cousin, or something like that, who is lesbian and aside from the fact that she lives with her partner, most people wouldn't notice a thing.

Teen lesbians no less. Best. Plot. Ever.

I'm a tomboy all the way. I grew up with boys, and everywhere I go I'm considered "Just one of the guys."

I hate the mall, pink, dolls, caring about my looks, makeup, and anything girly.

i grew up with two best friends, Brian and Emma, and I've had to do stuff with both of them, so I see no problem in guys doing "girl stuff" and girls doing "guy stuff".

Whats wrong with that? I was playing those when I was 6 o.o the 1st Resi game still spooks me though because of a childhood incident zombies anyone?



Amen to that. I'm the exact same way.

Ha, such a perv, and almost proving my point that lesbians are accepted as men find it a turn on

On the telly the other day I was watching a program and I couldn't decide on the gender on one person. He was male (I believe) but his voice was so high and his body looked...well like a butch woman rather then a man.

This doesn't really have a point, apart from I suppose seeing a man as feminin, or seeing them as an actual female. He probably stands out more then a feminin gay man.

I'm a perv and proud of it Either way you get the same thing with women.

Need I point out the abundent ammount of yaoi and Shonen ai for named anime characters (Like Ed, Roy and Naruto as opposed to random unamed characters). It's more popualre than yuri shojo ai and has a massive female following aswell as a gay one.

Also Queer as folks, Queer eye for the strait guy, Strait dates by gay mates and more all have a huge female following. Wile there are one or two Lesbian centric shows (I can only think of one, the L word) there are far more gay centric ones.

I think I can be justified in saying this...that men will watch 'The L Word' to see women getting it on (guessing, I aint seen the show) and women will watch things like 'Queer Eye' because they long to have a gay friend to help them shop.

Generalization, but I'm guessing its mostly right. Aside from EdxRoy supporters I only know one girl who likes to see men together like that, but plenty guys who like to see girls like that.

(Most girls are pervs too, they just hate to admit it )

this is a bit offtopic but nice sig chiyo <3
I especially like the "if you have tried to do alchemy" bit.......

Girls liking dolls and etc only and boys liking cars and etc only is stereotypical behavior. It's my opinion, anyways.

I chose yes...coz I like some boy-ish stuffs

I'm not a tomboy but I'm not a girly girl either. I'm pretty indifferent.


So I picked the bottom option.

I played with dolls when I was a little boy.

I don't do it, but I'm not against it.

Well, I have always liked invertebrates, and some people seem to think it is more suitable for boys.

I picked yes. I grew up around seven boys, we used to play Nintendo all the time, and I remember we used to play fight as power rangers, and I was always the yellow one... *shot*

The only good thing I could get out of barbie dolls was taking their heads off and throwing them at people. >:3

... unless being a witch almost every Halloween is girly, I'm a tomboy. ^^

I answered the question 'Can boys and girls be interested in themes/games that only seem to fit to the opposite sex' sorry if I confused you.

I hate dolls!! well maybe except polly pocket because they're better than barbie dolls even my mom doesnt like barbie becaus ehse's too girly-girl and i like vidoe games and comic books better than playing dolls!! i like playing cosplay better dress-up and sword fighting ( fencing, i even took lessons for this!! ) better than playing princesses who wants to get rescued by some guy who thinks he's so goo-looking!!

I'm a bit of a tomboy......

Well,it depends on the situation of an individual like for example,a girl has lived with boy as her neighbor and the most probable effect for the girl will be having used with boyish stuffs & etc...

That has to be the least imaginative/inspired responce to a debate ever.



That doesn't really answer anything though...

Well yeah I believe they can be interested in whatever gets their attention, as long as it makes the person happy, well that is just my opinion, I mean I don't really care about what people think about me, that is never been my problem though, I've always been doing "girly stuff," well I do like to play nintendo (so much fun!) and I'm not ashamed to admit it, but I'm not quite sure if that counts.
Well anyways as long as it makes you happy do it, to me there is nothing that is "only fit to girls/guys."

you will confuse some people calling them that, try and make them as simple as possible by going with the bog standard "Insects" (Or "Bugs" if your American)



Its normally more helpfull if you phrase it into a sentence, rather than a seemingly pointless statement.



That isnt really an awnser....

i was never a girly girl of any sort i always ALWAYS HATED PINk and such i never played with dolls and ect. + i always loved beating the
*&%& outta boys who thought me weak soooo ya i have nothing agients boy liking girly things and visversa

*Reads* Oo
*RE-Reads*
ah ok, those words make sence if I pretend im 11, ^^
LEARN TO GOD DAMN SPELL Im not perfect but atleast I can make it pretty easy on those who read my posts..

And in other words you were a tomboy, and a violent one at that then?

The term 'tomboy' is too loose. My sister for instance I could call a Tomboy as she cares little for fashion and girly things...she also cares little for her appearence so often looks scruffy. However she has moment of wanting to look feminin.

I don't think you can class a girl as tomboy just because she doesn't play with dolly or make up.

I've been somewhat of a tomboy for a while, but theres times when I'm strolling through the mall and start
freaking out over some random dress.

It's like a multiple personality disorder.

When I was little, my little brother would play 'Barbie'
with me.
His favourite was Theresa, and we married whichever Barbie would marry G.I. Joe By which one could run faster.

Yes, Indeed.
I had a pretty gloriously freaking odd child hood.

I tried to go flying once, too.
And I did, too!
I stood on one end of the teetertotter.
My brother pushed down with force on the other.
The rest is history.
Bloody noses are fun.
Almost more fun then accidently stepping on a snowboard and then flying off a ramp into a whack of thornbushes.
But I'm seriously going off topic, here.

I say I wanted a nerf gun for chrismas Does that make me odd

okay so maybe I am odd (nothing to do with the nerf gun)

but people dont think im lesbian or anything

and who doesnt like shooting darts and stuff

As for boys I think its rather unfair that liking anything intended for girls makes them gay.

how stupid is it to have gender specific home economics classes

oh and to person above you could have an alter ego.

like me i think i have 3 (hyper, Calm, Sarcastic)

I voted Yes .

I guess I could say I am a tomboy cause I really love sports, and video games . But in the same token I don't fully act like a boy cause I wear girl clothes, and dress properly when going out somewhere nice [and I am not meaning tomboys don't, I am just saying I wear skirts, dresses, and make up when I go out [not all the time though], and most tomboys don't ]. I think I grew up to like more guys things, than girl things cause I have 3 brothers, and I am the only girl in the family . Like if I played with a Barbie doll, or played dress up my 2 older brothers would correct me. Then either make me watch or play baseball, and then they got me into video games . So I guess when I was younger I kinda went more with what my brothers wanted me to do instead of what I wanted too . Now being older I am happy they got me into sports, and playing video games . I just think if I didn't, and acted more girlie girl I wouldn't be doing what I really wanted to .

I chose yes. When I was younger, I was brought up to like "girly" things by my grandmother who, well, wanted me to be a girl. However, one of my uncles got me interested in Stars Wars and video games, just like Life to the Death at the beginning of this topic, and I gradually became more interested in "boyish" stuff as I aged. Now I'm just... I dunno. I think I share both "boy" and "girl" traits while skirting towards the former.

I think whether a boy or a girl acts like society thinks they should depends on how they're brought up, rather than being built in, so to speak. Some children may also just be interested in certain things that are "supposed" to be for the other gender without even knowing that they're "supposed" to be playing with another toy. It depends.

Popo once said, before I joined this forum:

A picture has a thousand words...

I think it's more accepted for girls to like boy stuff than for boys to like girl stuff.

Confused?

Well, activities like playing video games and wrestling are usually associated with boys, but plenty of girls are very open about doing them. However a lot of guys won't come out in the open and admit they like playing with their hair or flowers or ballet. O.o

If I said no, I'd be a hypocrite.
What? Dolls are creepy!

I say yes!!
For example I really like videogames, I used to play whit cars (Hotwheels XDXD) I love extreme sports, I beat the crap of boys that tease me. But I have also my feminine side: I love shopping, I once did ballet, I played whit Barbies and dolls (I hate all those now) love fashion and I'm an addict to corny love stories.

I voted yes, being that I am interested in some things that regularly only males would be interested in (aka: breasts & yuri). And I also know a couple of guys in my school that have interests in what girls are mostly interested (aka: non-gay guys that like yaoi... as long as the story is good anyway.).

Interesting fact: I go to an all girls school, and quite a large number of us like boobies. I think all of my friends (sadly enough, that includes me) enjoy perving on each other/others on a regular basis...

Having grown up with three brothers, I guess it's sort of inevitable that I should like 'guy' stuff. When I was 5 and younger I kind of liked dolls, and I only recently put my stuffed animals away for good, but for the most part I've been interested in adventure/action movies and book, video games, outdoor activities, etc...I only like romance if it's portrayed in a believable manner, but I'm more likely to go for adventure. And I only wear dresses for church--any other time and I'm in a t-shirt and jeans.

Thanks for bringing up this subject. This irks me so much: people let little girls play with boy toys but when little boys play with girl toys he's suddenly gonna be gay and he must be cured by joining a football team too early! It's unfair and it annoys me.

Anyway I used to be a huge tomboy back then. I vowed to love the color blue forever(I Still kind of do),I used to wrestle boys alot(and beat almost everyone except one...),I used to love Power Rangers I even had the birthday cake. But I did like pretty dresses and Barbies. I'm more girly now though I actually like pink and romance novels..... weird

When my little sister was little she played with Teddy Bears, making teddy bear families.


When I was little I played with toy dinosaurs, making them eat each other.

._.


So yeah...I voted Yes.
I was very much a tomboy when I was little, and I think it's fine if girls play with toy cars or boys play with barbies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzrZj3GZS8o

sums up the debate

Well, it is now modern age ,, There are no women left in the world who hadn't used pants right?

Not actually true; certain religions don't allow women to wear pants. Scandalous or something.

There's probably plenty of living proof all over these boards, at any rate. I saw plenty of epic battles between the Barbies and the plastic dinosaurs in my childhood, not to mention my best friend's little brother always playing with our stuff, and have ended up in the crowd of computer geeks and gamers, joining the ranks of women that make up a small percentage of the field of computer science. Oh gosh, I'm even a girl on the internet.

I've been irritated by the "girl toys/boy toys" thing for as long as I can remember. "Happy meal" toys are particularly egregious. I remember asking my mom to tell them I was a boy so that I could get the Hot Wheels car instead of the doll; I've just seen it get sickeningly worse. This is the twenty-first century, we're supposed to be more enlightened than ever, so why are we enforcing idiotic stereotypes?

Each one of us is different and I believe that fitting in a stereotype would be wrong.
So what if I'm a girl and I prefer to wear shirts than tubes or if I like to play with PSP than to put on make up?
The point is that it's always up to the person on what he/she wants and we can't judge that person because it's his/her decision. So I chose YES.

I have neighbors down the street that forbid the young girls to wear pants - they wear flowing skirts and plenty of pink, which I believe is atrocious, narrow-minded, and detrimental to properly enculturation and socialization. But I'm also a proponent of free speech, so I guess I can't win here. Women have been torn in both directions for a long time, contradictions being imposed - to be assertive, but make sure you're less assertive than the man next to you. Be independent, but not too independent. Indeed, I'll admit I either frightened away prospective dates just by daring to make the first move and wounding pride, or being sort of . . . guy-ish, I guess. Despite my vocabulary, I grew up in a household with fairly colorful language - courtesy of two ex-marines. My mother has never been particularly feminine, and my father was home with me during the day in my childhood. My mother insisted on neutral colors for my brother and I, even for baby-shower gifts. I will do the same with my children.

Unfortunately, there are still stereotypes imposed on both genders . . . men aren't men if they do not provide and coddle the wife, who should be content to clean and cook and not desire a job of her own. This leads to stressed men and less respect for women. It harms both genders. Action - chock-full of guns, sex, punching, blood, and car-crashes - is my favorite genre of film, but I won't balk at a smut novel. Men and women alike should be able to enjoy activities that are actually gender-neutral, and this all starts from BEFORE a child is born. For my Sociology final, I found a study done on girl and boy infants - a parent told others that her child was a girl, and they praised her looks, whereas for a boy they did not, but focused on him engaging in action. Others expressed that the girl would be beautiful and make a good wife, whereas the boy was hoped to be the provider and "change the world"". It was so infuriating. People are individuals and labels are used as an excuse to place people in boxes and make terrible assumptions.


I mean, I've had so many offensive encounters in my adolescent years, it is simply amazing. I mentioned I was taking a class at the YMCA (I also work there) and they immediately asked if it was yoga. Actually, it was a kickboxing class (already taken Ju-jitsu and Women's Self-Defense), it's fun as hell. Then they chuckled despite it being the least amusing thing in the world. Couple that with being petite and bubbly and I get all the hilarious, sarcastic laughs. It gets old after a while.

Parents should make it a point to not let their children be bombarded with the disgusting examples of gender socialization that take place not only in the home, but in schools and other institutions. It is blatant.

I've run into all sorts of things too. I'm a computer science major, and there are a lot more guys in my major than there are girls. I've been told by several people that I got into the school I'm in because I'm a girl, and have to prove them that that isn't the case. Meanwhile, my mom, even though was the first female physics major at her school, has still got some gender-role beliefs that she tries to impose on me: skirts (not pants) for job interviews/other important events, makeup is necessary for success, don't act too nerdy or play video games, and isn't it time that I got a boyfriend?, etc.

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure my dad's manner of raising me would not have changed if I'd been a boy. I appreciate that.

Another thing about the pink-girl-blue-boy social construct that bothers me: gender isn't a binary, it's a continuum. But traditional gender roles define what someone should or shouldn't do by which parts they happen to have been born with, rather than what's in their head. That's no way to make progress.

I said yes.
I also want to say something i found strange...

girls can wear pants boys cant wear skirts without being called gay.
the official boy color is blue and the official girl color is pink yet no one CALLS blue a boy color but pink is always a girl color and if a boy said they're favorite color was pink they would probably be called gay.
girls can like star trek and shooting games and boyish violent animes like fma but boys cant like girl movies or animes like shugo chara..

tomboys REALLY bother me >_<
they make them selves totally look like a boy sometimes.
its annoying.

its like because girls didn't have rights for so long they all of a sudden have wayyy more social rights than boys.
It used to be the other way around!
baby boys used to be dressed as girls.
girls used to only wear dresses.
I liked it better that way ^^
except the no rights thing..

I have to ask, why is that annoying? I could say the same for boys who wear make-up and have long hair, except say they look too like girls. That is their personal preference though, it has no effect on my life apart from the odd faux pas by thinking they were male/female and turns out they weren't.

I do agree however that it does seem one sided. If a co-worker were to comment on a woman's outfit she may fly off the handle and claim sexual discrimination. However if I were to tell a male co-worker he looked good, could he make such a complaint?

But that isn't exactly what this topic is about.

If you want a simple example of gender reversal, I asked on Facebook of my friends, should I buy a Powerpuff Girls DVD, or Johnny Bravo. A girl suggested Johnny Bravo, a guy suggested Powerpuff Girls. I must admit, the guy suggesting the Powerpuff girls surprised me, but a girl suggesting Johnny Bravo didn't at all.

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Yes. If I have kids I don't care if they play with dolls or trucks of whatever no matter what gender they are.