Hey it might sound stupid but has anyone ver done an alchemy experiment like turn salt into fire without a lighter or anything like that,Cuz ive seen the symbols and stuff and have been dying to try alchemy but I dont have 1 clu how to start ,Anything simple any of u know how to do??











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Hagaren is a fantasy show. I seriously doubt anyone ever tried to do this kind of alchemy. You can try if you want... But I don't think you'll get results.

yeah, unfortunately we don't live in the fma world so we can't draw an array, slap our hands down and transmute things. the closest thing to alchemy is changing lead into gold, but it's a scientific process that involves rearranging particles and such, and the process is so expensive, it's not worth doing.

I wish i could try alchemy, but I seriously doubt that it's possible.

Not to mention not many people can draw really round circles.

this is very true... or straight lines... ~_~ i can draw the human form...but i can't draw a straight line to save my life.

fushigi da na...

i can turn water into soup. does that count? *hides soup mix packet in her sleeve*

Actually, it's possible:

"Alchemy, the Ancient Science" by Neil Powell, Publisher: Doubleday and Company,Inc. Garden City, New York, 1976

page 130

" After the physical and chemical diescoveries of the 18th and 19th centuries, it would have seem natural for alchemy in the 20th century to have advanced ever farther into the realms of symbolism and mysticism, and away from anything to do with phyiscal transmutation. But in 1919 the eminent English physicist Lord Rutherford succeeded in transmuting nitrogen into oxygen in the laboratory, and every aspiring alchemist took new heart. "

Borders has books on Alchemy in whatever you call the section that has all the Wicca stuff(new age, mysticism, paranormal studies, metaphysical studies? I can't remember), buy one or loiter long enough to read one like all the manga readers do...

I was gonna give alchemy a wild shot, but I had too many manga to have enough money to buy it. I'm sort of surprised people believe in alchemy most of the thoughts were disproved, but since alchemists were the prelude to scientists...go Alchemists!

our world is weird enough without ridiculous things like transmutation...

Some chemical experiments are so cool, you would go and call it alchemy. My teacher did something with sugar and another element that gave flames - it looked really cool, but it's dangerous - it was done in a glass reaction cupboard, to prevent anyone from inhaling the smoke. (sorry I don't remember, it's 3 years ago )

Most so-called transmutations were done without witness, so there was no proof if it ever did succeed. We can't do alchemy, since the things that are possible are chemistry. True science.

This might not be directly related but people have ben known to be able to move stuff with their body.. Now weather this might be our "energy" or not, I don't know. But I have physicly done the pinwheel spin thingy the first night I tried..

If you're interested here is a good site to read up on that stuff.

There was an experiment written down in one of my science textbooks that used an alchemical process, but we never got to do it.

You can't transmute salt into fire even with alchemy. Besides, Roy creates a spark with his gloves, and rearranges hydrogen molecules.

Actually, he changes the concentration of oxygen molecules in the air. Oxygen fuels fire.

Alchemy in reality is much different from the alchemy of FMA. Alchemy was an art which melded the two great powers of the ancient civilizations, science and sorcery. FMA has an interesting power source for Alchemy (I wont say for spoilers) but in our world the occult power of projecting one's will upon nature was necessary for transmutation. Science was necessary for an understanding of exactly what it is that you are trying to do. Alchemy was an imperfect art however, for the ancient scientists had an incomplete and alimentary understanding of substances and how they are made up. Alchemy by it's basest definition is practiced everyday in our modern world. How do you think we discover these new and weird elements that have been regularly added to the periodic table. These elements do not occur in nature. We use science to 'transmute' a baser substance into a new element by adding sub atomic particles. Many people claim to have a better understanding of how to transmute substances magically, but there are no records of successes. The most common alchemical reaction you are likely to find is an infusion of power into a particular substance like water or crystal. This is the first step to transmutation and for most people it stops there. There are many occult powers that still work even in this dumbed down, science diluted world. No one believes in the power of human mind, will, and emotions, in short the human soul, not anymore.

i think that if u spent ur whole life tryin 2 prove alchemys existence then you probably would get pretty far.only problem is most pple who try 2 prove are really poor and jus do it for fun.if someone who was really rich practiced it then they probably could get some more info. then we hve rite now.

Really? I could've swore he said hydrogen...maybe it's both.

I be teh alchemist!
I made Mac 'n Cheese from a box with stuff inside
As for alchemy itself who knows, but on a rainy day anythings possible

if you're talking about the type of alchemy in hagaren, it's impossible. think about it--you can be as rich as you want, but you're not going to be able to draw an array, clap your hands on it, and rearrange particles and substances in an instant into something you want. if you're talking about "alchemy" in our world, it's already been proven by plenty of funded scientists; read neverfate's post. it's basically just a science, a chemistry type of thing. and like i said earlier, you can "transmute" gold, but yeah, it's extremely expensive and i don't think even the richest person alive would be able to "transmute" more than a little bit before going bankrupt.

Actually you can do 'alchemy' in this modern world. Nowadays, though, it's called nuclear physics. You can change lead to gold, hydrogen to helium and such, but those stuff about conjuring flame from oxygen or repairing stuff just by drawing circles on the ground.... Unfortunately those are just romantic fantasy (whould've been way cool though >sigh<)

Yes. I used some liquid and turned air into fire. Almost burned the school flag.

Alchemy = Chemistry.

I win.

What PK said.

Alchemy in FMA is not even science; it's magic.

I also believe Hagaren alchemy is impossible. There may be some records out there of an alchemist creating a homunculus or doing something surprising like that but you have to remember those documents came from medievil Europe. In a world where sorcery is reality and superstitution is reason, any alchemist could fool whoever funded their projects by saying whatever experiment they did worked. It's a good living actually, fooling idiotic noblemen so you could live respectfully.

maybe with nuclear science we can change one element into another but thats not close to what they do in hagaren since they only change the structure of things with the same element. they don't change elements, just manipulate them.

dang neverfate souds like you are a average day alchemist your self just with that last explination you gave



personaly i think its possible to do but i have yet to achieve any thing like that

I can turn a circle into fire

(the circle was made outa tissue paper and a lighter was involved )

is fire chemistry?

Well, I can turn water into Funk, does that count?

But seriously, if you watch FMA and then you want to try performing alchemy, which in real life is just chemistry, I would have to say that you should be forbidden to breed. Think about how stupid that sounds: "I'm going to bring the dead back to life because they did it on a fictional anime!"

Definitely. And besides, if the concepts shown in the anime were true, then alchemy would indeed be impossible in our world anyway.

Alchemy is the answer to all my life's problems.

How so?

If you have a problem then imagine fixing it with alchemy. Of course the problem won't go away but who says imagining is bad? Unless you mistake reality for the imaginary and get trapped in fantasy world...

LMAO!

And for my next miracle I will turn this water into funk!

BaZow!

*enter disco age*

~~~

Performing alchemy in genenral would be cool. Y'know, what if Flamel was really still alive? He'd be able to create the Philosopher's Stone whenever he wanted, so he could technically live forever...

If he was able to create the philosopher's stone, he would still be alive. Unless you're talking about the FMA philosopher's stone because then it gets complicated...

wow you people don't know your history okay this is pretty much it and i think it's a simple enought anser during the renissance or however you spell it period people didn't know what science was and called it magic, now than this than evolved into science which is what we have today so now can anybody remember a time where they light a fire? thats alchemy cus by using the catalyst or fuel or whatever you light it with the combustion of heat or a spark like from flint and steel so there ya go every-time you light a cigerette your doing alchemy, no to get you to think that smoking's cool... im still working on quitting, anywho the whole thing with the circle's and stuff thats not apart of real alchemy

in fact i think this webpage should make a truth and fiction part of the site to show which parts were real from history and which one's are made for the anime/manga

well done *applouds*

Alchemy is just a fake science. Elements cannot be changed into other elements by any means known in science. It is physically impossible to preform it. In fact, the entire concept of the philosopher's stone was a conradiction...it was a substance so powerful that there was supposedly no container on this earth to hold it. If nothing can hold it....then how can it be used?

However, things such as gunpowder and saltpieter were created by alchemists. And that was just by mixing stuff together.

Exactly while it would be nice if alchemy was real point blank it was some half ass attemp by scientist in the middle ages to turn lead into goal

circles and symbols were part of the mystical side of alchemy. A whole lot of mysterious and weird books and art were made that were filled with all sorts of nightmarish and otherworldly metaphors and pictures......the psychiatrist Jung studied these weird symbols as part of his research on the subconcious.

Isn't it weird, though, how all throughout the world people had the same idea to turn lead into gold??

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You can't use alchemy. It's fantasy! This anime is fantasy!

well, there were alchemists in the past, but its power is all fictional

btw - does anyone else think there should be one big sticky on the cricles?

no.

Like it says in the show (Alchemy is science) someone will eventually discover some way of transforming an object from one form into another through a process similar to alchemy, but it may not use circles that are used in the show, or even circles at all it could be an array of symbols with no circle around it at all. Science will eventually find a way maybe in 100 years or 100,000 years but we will eventually find a way.

Eventually, yes, somehow, but it's still chemistry then.
We well be able to transmute with very complicated equipment and all you can think of, just like wel will once be beamed up by scotty.

About the signs... in official-medieval alchemy, so not exactly in this anime, the sighs are of elements, copper, iron, gold, ... or of planets, that also have an 'element' given, I think the sun is gold and so on.

Eventually they will make it less complicated they will make the machine into a watch, a bracelet, a ring, and so on.
This is something I believe, every person have four basic forms of energy spiritual, physical, magical, and life force energy, and alchemy uses one of these forms of energy, and the circles are to bring out that energy.
And one other question isn’t there equations used to make the correct circle, if so what are the equations?

because they did

I don't think you can use your hands or a transmutation circle...You need a nuclear reactor to do that stuff [I think].

on my chem 2 class. we have to make the penny turned gold and yep i did. unfortunately its just the outside of the penny. did anyone of u have done this?

All your doing is just breaking down the rust or whatever makes a penny go all dirty like. Thus, you have a shiny penny again after you do. Besides who can resist making something shiny again?

Not true Jessin, elements CAN be changed into other elements, not only is it physically possible, but physics is WHY it is possible. Using incredible amounts of energy we can smash atoms together and force them to combine and thus form one single atom of a heavier element. This process though is pointless for creating something usable as it happens atom by atom and is very expensive.

Other than that alchemy is a fake science (the "science" of transmuting elements freely).