I once read a text called 'The Book of The Rosary of The Philosophers' and followed all the steps that I could decipher, and I came out with a transluscent green stone....it was supposed to turn white, black, green, gold, and then red, but...... I guess I goofed somewhere in my alchemical calculations.... does that make me a moron?

NO! They were made hard to follow
to keep out of the wrong hands.
Think Tim Marcho's cookbook.
There is more then one way to make a stone,
but only one pure way.
I'd tell a few trusted and non-evilsk people but Mr.Flemmel, my alchemy teacher Dante (male) and my Master (my other male teacher, forgot his name) would all kill me quicker then if I suddenly went poof!
I know 21 decent ways (not the pure one) and 400 not working ways.
I haven't read that book so I wouldn't beable to tell you exactly what went screwy.
Also, "just because you have the recipe doesn't mean you can cook".
Loves!

Errrr *sweatdrop* I'm too blonde to understand

hmmm, perhaps ill search for another copy of the book and read it several more times and take MORE notes than I have previously. Like with all books, read it once you see it, read it twice, you know it, read it thrice, you have it. Perhaps I can get closer to the red one this time.... and as for my intents on gaining it, i just like learning and protecting my friends.

ok, english: Not everyone can make it work and if you knew they true form of God, would you tell others who'd use it for evil?



Read it 3 times? You can study that book for years and never understand it.
Remember, there is more then one way to make it.

I did come acrossed one that used live humans to make and according to greek records it worked, mostly. Those it healed became 'zombies', those it made wealthy became poor inside, those if fed starved, ect. "It had an evil aura and gave a wicked light, it is of hedes and should be given back!" a later story said that when they threw it in a volcano, the magma spit it back out with a loud rumble saying "Keep your wicked deeds, they are not welcome here.".
creepy, huh? Mind you this is early grece and I had to fight ot find these accounts.
3 diff sorces in 3 diff places by 3 diff ppl who've never met from diff times.
Loves!

Wow. We have. A live alchemist on our forums. One who has completed the P's Stone too. Don't you have more important stuff? Since when did A. Chemists use the interenet. B. Have an interest in Japanese Anime. C. Talk so damn much about what they completed, instead of doing something more useful with their time. Remember, it's not that I don't believe you, I don't believe the demon within you.

First of All, I have no 'demons', second, when was it written in eternal stone that a chemist can't have a non-scietific life and I am not a chemist, I am an Alchemist, which is very much different.
In this life I'm 20 years old and I like anime.
I don't care what you think, believe, or think you believe, Alchemy is mainly a philiophy, "What can given is not given, what can be taken is not taken, this is stillness. That which is given is taken, that which is taken is given in return, this is change. In order to make a stone, one must give nothing and take nothing, one must use the earth bound things and give of a non-earth bound self. This is true equivilant exchange." It's from my notes on the stone, the one's my teacher gave me.
All scientist have other hobbies, we're not all wotrk and no stopping for insperational conclusions.
I have work to do, tah.

0.o You're serious?! Way to go! I have full respect for you then. PLease, accept me as your apprentice. TEEEEEACH ME!

Not to be off topic, but register firt, it's free.
if you need email, yahoo is has a freea count avalable.
other wise, i won't teach anything to anyone.

"What can be given is not given, what can be taken is not taken, this is stillness. That which is given is taken, that which is taken is given in return, this is change. In order to make a stone, one must give nothing and take nothing, one must use the earth bound things and give of a non-earth bound self. This is true equivilant exchange."

this you wont learn for a while. sorry, kid.
I start off with studies and basics, no practice till lvl3.
register and pm me, well talk then.

This is so insane. LoL, seriously get a life. That may sound mean and stupid but really, get a life, like right now. LoL. Alchemist my butt.

Okay, okay, okay.

So, at the age of 5 you were able to decipher and complete and create something as inane and difficult as the 'Philosopher's Stone'. You said it took you 15 years and that you are currently 20 right now.

I'm sorry, dear person, but I am sensing a delusional boy/man/woman/whatever caught up in a delusional world.

No person at the age of 5 is able to began a project so.... outrageous as the philosopher's stone and be able to complete it at the age of 20. Seriously, what came out of it? What were you able to transmute? Did anything happen? Was there any proof?

I'm sorry I like FMA but I'm not that crazy to go out there and start believing I'm creating philosopher's stones and transmuting things.

Off course you can make the stone, and I can channel and talk to Elvis!!
Seriously, I wanna see it!! Show us, show us!! Please!!

you know, ladymercury does have a point about the fact that you said it took 15 years to make the stone AND that you said you were 20...

but hey, maybe alchemy did *choose* you...most nuns and priests become nuns and priests because of a "calling"...most people wouldn't choose to become priests or nuns...god chooses...i've met people who've tried to become priests and nuns but ended up getting married instead....god just didn't choose them...

maybe alchemy chooses too....who knows?

alchemy's cool and all, but unless you can tell how it could be used for medical purposes (which in the "real alchemic sense" seems pretty much impossible) then i don't think its for me....i'm a healer at heart ^^

Sweet this is great. i understood this like it was nothing. im use to reading old english. my parents make me read the bible alot. im going to print this out and read it again. And then translate some of the bigger words. Anyone know of any other goods sites i should try. i would be greatful if anyone knew of any. thanks alot.


Alchemy Inerested

Oh and Elise Music, if you want to talk to a real alchemist, you should go ahead and pm The Shadoweave Alchemist. At least the Shadoweave Alchemist knows what there talking about. c ya

Alchemy Intersted

goody...i'll think about pming ^^

old english isn't that difficult if you're used to reading shakespeare...or if your teachers forced you to get used to reading shakespeare...

and by the way...we're kinda not supposed to double post ^^

Due To An Admin Beating Go Here (same thing just a link to the full topic)
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...?showtopic=7715

Link to the thread that explains who and where alchemy originated from , Frater Albertus also wrote some good texts about proper transmutations. Theirs also a link in their from fuzzy that leads to a possible formula for a phylosiphers stone, thx fuzz!

PS. from what ive researched, a stone has nothing to do with human lives, but it seems like pieces of the human soul can increse the stones power(not that it wouldent be powerful enough as is). And actual alchemy has nothing to do with arrays and circles and all that junk, but it has to do with changing the elemental makeup of something to create something else, for instance, with the proper electricle charges, you can disambaguate(transmute) somethings elemental structure from something as simple as a rock or a plant into gold, or water, or any other complex substance(their was a nuclear power plant in russia, where the nuclear radiation was so strong it turned the led sheilding around the reactor into solid gold, but it dident hold it's state and turned back to lead after a few hours). However, the show makes it more rapid and glorious than it realy is, the procces is painstaking, and dangerous, if your hand slipped into the electrical ark you could end up swapping it for a stearing wheel, or what ever your transmuting. So far I believe something like a human transmutation is not possible, although i would never even try something as crazy as that! The only thing I have succesfully transmuted was a white rose into a red rose, and it took days to get the current right just for that. And if any of you try this crap make sure its in a CONTROLED STATE, preferibly doing the transmutation from another room by remote control or something. Just remember that that septimus guy had a lot of students, and alot of them grew up to be preachers and things of that kind, so it might be a little hard to interprite there texts, but the most reliable so far is like i said, Frater Albertus.

ya that is kinda confusin but it is good and informational but theres 1 thing i did not know its that there is two stones huh very puzzling ill figure it out thanx



well thats true it does seem rather insane to even try so wat if you can transmute why even try to make the stone its all pretty f'ed up and at that age you might be killed by even tryin that makes no sense.


im intrested im new and i dont know how to transmute could you pm me and tell me or at the most tell me wat you need and wat to do if you could that would be great thanx

Ok... So if you did have the Philosopher's stone, what are the possibilities you could do with it? I'm reading that one of Alchemy's goals was being immortal and you need the stone to do that, but that sounds either like a lot of work for anyone or it could all just be fake. But it DOES sound very interesting and tempting.

*stretches and yawns some* It's been a long while since I left for Europe to research and experiment with methods for the stone and such. Needless to say there was success in the research and experiments. I think I even got really close to the stone myself, just I can't remember. For some reason I had forgotten almost everything I knew, I'm regaining myself every day though, it seems as if my soul were sapped and my memories with it. The stone isn't something to be taken lightly or to be pushed off as fantasy. I beleive it exitsts, and that is enough for me. Don't discredit people about their memories and such because YOU can't do it or remember things from past lives. Even lives follow the basic principals of science and nature. Like matter, souls too cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. Some people refer to souls as spiritual energy, and I beleive this energy flows in a continual circle within everyone and the planet itself, which represents the 'circle of life' or some such, and this is the significance of the transmutation circles, the energy and knowledge flow in a circle like the very nature of life and matter itself, and with this circle you can alter and change things in a short amount of time. I may have rambled too much on this matter, but I need to go read some more and see if I can remember more of my trip. But like I said, don't discredit people so quickly or make fun of them. I'm not saying that you HAVE to beleive them, just consider it and remember that there are things that some people can do and others cannot.

Paracelcus did that,it was homunculus what he created....
Cool,huh?!

I remember reading about that...he kept it in horse dung for a continuous temperature that was the same temp as a woman's womb

Yes,and his homunculus died soon.

Yea, but at least we have records of it. It'd be interesting if they experimented with it and did it in these times. But then that would basically be a clone or a test-tube baby...hmm, thats why they don't I guess

It's funny... when I heard about the Philosopher's stone in fma, I thought it has something to do with Harry Potter, but anyway...
Did'nt alchemy originated in Medieval Times? I think it has something to do with making metals into gold and about the "elixir of life" or something...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy

All ya need to know aboot alchemy.

Wikipedia?
I should've thought of that!

Anyway, what I know about alchemy is right, somehow...
Arakawa is really creative on thinking about such things like the transmutation circles and alchemy because usually, the animes have japanese influeces or the plots and settings is at japan...

Don't have the time to read the whole thing, but if I remember right, the reddening phase of the stone requres a phoenix or something... too bad we don't have any of those...

Yah it is 2 bad that we don't have some of the important ingredients like a pheonix but we do have most of them it wil just take alot of tmie to make and a lot of natural ingredients from the body ....

Alchemy, how it existed can be said two ways.

It existed but never worked or it never existed

The only way people would believe you is to see it with there own eyes or if they are complete idiots

From what I know about alchemy, I say that it did exist in earlier times. Many people were involved in this stuff, and the main idea of this Alchemy is to be able to fabricate gold out of other elements.

The philosopher's stone? oh come on. Who said it was real?

About the Scar's brother thing in the spoiler.... where did it ever say that?

Does that mean Im gifted or are you an idiot!!!

A bit much for a twelve-year-old who is rather gullible to swallow.

Gullible meaning I am in a phase that I believe in dragons.

No wonder everybody around me thinks I am insane.

Anyways, I might try alchemy in a few years.

It would make me feel like I'm magik when I'm only scientifical.

MERCURY?
Anyone out there who wants to make the P.S....be careful!!!
Hehehe....I appreciate it... :3

in the FMA manga there was a transmutaion circle for the stone (that in my opinion looked like and inverted pentagram [symbol for the 5th element and human]) and when i was looking at web pages metioning Flamel i noticed that the black death was around the smae time as his 'death'. and then i connected the major cities and the right 2/3 of europe and found the same transmutation sircle used for the stone. so what if human sacrifces were used and put into the blood strms of peoplpe who had fallen ill under the death so that fragments would be spread around the entire continent? and after his death when a thief looked in his coffin for some of his famous and mysteious gold it was empty. please tell me what you think of this theory of mine.
nothing is impossible

Cool link, but very confusing. I gave up after the first couple sentences, lol.

yeah ..

making a philosopher's stone is really confusing ..
actually , I tried to watch FMA over and over again just to understand
that complicated stone but it's worthless ....

I end up dimbfounded


*wink*

It's interesting, but so complicated that I can't understand.

I read a lot of books about alchemy, and I found in one of them (don't remember the name, sorry) that the Philosopher's Stone itself is impossible to be made, only similar stones.
But a really good answer about the Stone that I found is that it's unreal, it's only a metaphor to describe that state of real knowledge which some alchemists talk about.

Well I have read on many different websites that the philosopher's stone was not just an actual stone but the stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss. The stone can either be a real tangible stone or it could be part of the spiritual side of alchemy as a way to gain wisdom and enlightenment. I think that is what Nicolas Flamel meant when he "created" the stone.

Also if Nicolas Flamel did really create a stone it would have to be an incomplete stone because he knew that man kind was not able to with stand the power or wisdom that the stone held (and the fact that he died in his 80's). it's also said that an angel appeared before him and the angel "held a book in his hands and uttered these words, which were to remain in the memory of the hearer: "Look well at this book, Nicholas. At first you will understand nothing in it neither you nor any other man. But one day you will see in it that which no other man will be able to see." Flamel stretched out his hand to receive the present from the angel, and the whole scene disappeared in the golden light of dreams. Sometime after that the dream was partly realized.

One day, when Nicolas Flamel was alone in his shop, an unknown man in need of money appeared with a manuscript to sell. Flamel was no doubt tempted to receive him with disdainful arrogance, as do the booksellers of our day when some poor student offers to sell them part of his library. But the moment he saw the book he recognized it as the book that the angel had held out to him, and he paid two florins for it without bargaining." - from http://www.crystalinks.com/flamel.html

that's just my theory and opinion on the subject at hand.