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Welcome, everyone, to the week-11 of "FMA manga Re-read it from beginning!" sessions!! happy.gif

Please post your discussions for "Re-reading FMA": Session for chapter 16, "Seperate Paths" here


For general information about the Re-reading Project, (and link index to all Re-reading discussion threads) please read Tombow's post in the Fma Manga Re-read It From The Beginning Project! thread.


For the reading reference for this session, please send a PM to A Pierrot's Aria and ask for "Reading Reference Assistance for week 11."
(For more detailed explanation on this, please read Tombow's post here.)

Huge "thank you" goes to sidekick.kep37 for "reference assistance" for this session, and also thank you, A Pierrot's Aria for all your help!! ^^



This thread is geared for those who have read the whole FMA manga, including the final chapter (chapter 108) and may potentially contain spoilers from any of chapters 1- 108. Those who do not wish to see such spoilers, please do not go any further!

For those participants who are reading FMA manga FIRST TIME, hope to see your posts on our "regular" (i.e. non-re-reading) chapter 16 discussion thread. smile.gif


This thread is declared as "Spoiler Party" thread for all of FMA manga chapters up to chapter 107. You can mention any contents in FMA manga chapters 1- 107 without the use of spoiler tags on this thread. In addition, participants can mention the content of chapter 108 on this thread. Until we lift such Spoiler tag condition for chapter 108 content, we ask you that if you post any content from chapter 108 (or even posting any HINT for chapter 108 content) on this thread, in addition to using SPOILER tags, please give warning SPECIFICALLY stating that the the content under the spoiler cover is some spoiler content from FMA manga's final chapter. smile.gif


Some notable information for this chapter will be listed on the post below, and also, for the English transcripts for chapter 16 from Viz' volume 4 FMA manga please scroll down on this page.

Thank you, and now please proceed to the actual discussions that start on page 2 of this thread. ^^
Michiyo-
Notable chapter information for chapter 16

(This list is still being filled and not complete yet. Please help us filling the list by posting the missing entries to the categories. ^^ )
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In short (Super short Synopsis):

Synopsis:

Cliffhanger (if any): None

Corresponding FMA:Brotherhood anime episode(s): Episodes 9-10

Chapter page length (using the "reference material" as the reference): 38 (37 plus 1 title page)

Color page included when printed as a chapter in GanGan mag (if any): None


Characters in this chapter: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)
Edward Elric
Alphonse Elric
Winry Rockbell
Gracia Hughes
Elicia Hughes
Alex Louis Armstrong
King Bradley
Roy Mustang
Riza Hawkeye
Focker
Female officer
Scar
Solf J. Kimblee
Gluttony
Lust
Ishbalan boy
Old Ishbalan



This is the first time appearance in the series for this character: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter)


Locations in this chapter:
Train
Central City
East slums



Cameo appearance (if any):


Possible story inconsistency (if any):


New theories, philosophies, dogma, etc. introduced in this chapter (if any):


Memorable quote/dialogue/caption from this chapter (if any):


Fight scenes: (In order of the first appearance in the chapter):


Character died in this chapter (if any): 0

Ed's Chibi (Who are you calling shrimp!) moment (if any): 0

"Al mistaken as Fullmetal" moment (if any): 0

"Inside Al's armor is empty" moment (if any): 0

Al carries something inside his armor moment (if any): 0

Al saves kitty moment (if any): 0

Ed refuses to drink milk moment (if any):0

Ed or Alex rips his shirt, coat, etc. moment: 0

Winry's wrench is mighty! moment (if any): 0

Gluttony eats someone moment (if any): 0

"Trade-mark Alchemy" shown (aside from Ed's Alchemy):

"Kitty Count" in this chapter, as reported by our official Kitty counter, Winry Chi (if any):

Chimera appearance (if any): 0

Philosopher's Stone, fake Stone, inferior Stone appearance (if any): 0


Alchemies/Alchemy circles used/introduced/shown in this chapter (whole or part) (if any):
To be added
Michiyo-
Transcripts for chapter 16: (Courtesy of myself)

CHAPTER 16: Seperate Paths

Page 1/Title page:
Chapter 16: Separate Paths


Page 2:
SFX: GWOOO
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Winry: “What made you guys decide to go to you teacher’s place all of a sudden?”
Ed: “ For two reasons.”
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Ed: „First of all, to get stronger.” „I’ve been losing so many fights lately...”


Page 3:
Winry: “Huh? You’re going there to get better at fighting? Are you obsessed with fighting or something?”
Ed: “Shut up! My reasons aren’t that simple!!”
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Ed: “I don’t know how to explain it but... we wanted to get stronger on the inside too... right!?”
Al: “Uh huh!”
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Ed: “I wanna get way better at fighting!”
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Al: “Yup!” “I just know that we’re gonna get stronger if we go to our teacher’s place!”
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Winry: “And what’s the second reason?”


Page 4:
Ed: “I want to ask Teacher about transmuting human beings.
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Ed: “The whole time we trained together, our teacher never taught us anything about the Philosopher’s Stone or human transmutation.”
Al: “Yeah, and the closer we get to the Philosopher’s Stone, the more dangerous it gets. So we thought the best thing to do would be to just ask our teacher directly about whether there’s a way to get our original bodies back.”
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Ed: “We can’t afford to be timid anymore.” “We have to go ahead and ask her, even if it means that we might get killed...”
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Ed: “Get killed...”
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Ed: “We had pretty short lives, didn’t we, Al...?”
Al: “I wish I could have at least gotten myself a girlfriend...!!”
SFX: DOOM
Winry: “Hello?”


Page 5:
Winry: “Oh yeah!”
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Winry: “Here’s something that’ll cheer you up!”
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Winry: “Ta-dah! It’s apple pie!”
Ed: “Wow, that looks good.”
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Ed: „Where’d you get that?”
Winry: “Mr. Hughes’ wife gave it to me so that we could eat it on the train.”
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Ed: “It sure is big.”
Winry: “Ah ha ha. I think she made enough for three people.”


Page 6:
Al: “You can have my share, Ed.” Heh heh heh heh heh
Ed: “Wha!? Are you getting back at me for beating you when we sparred at the hospital?”
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Ed: “Mmm! It’s good!”
Winry: “Mr. Hughes’s wife is a really good cook.”
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Winry: “She taught me the recipe, so I’ll make it for you when you get your original body back, Al.”
Al: All right!
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Ed: “...I guess this is what you call ‘real home cooking.[b]’”
SFX: MMMM
Al: “You sound like an old man.”
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Winry: “I met Mrs. Hughes and their daughter Elicia.” “They’re such nice people!”


[b]Page 7
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Ed: “Lieutenant Colonel Hughes, nice? More like smothery. I didn’t ask ‘Superdad’ to follow me around all the time.”
Al: Ha ha ha ha “He used to come to your hospital room all the time just to talk about you.”
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Ed: “Well, yeah...” “He would always say how busy things were at work, but he still made time to visit me every day.”
SFX: KLATA KLATA
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Ed: “I gotta do something nice for him the next time we go to Central...”


Page 8:


Page 9:


Page 10:
Elicia: “...Mama.”
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Elicia: “Why do they have to bury Papa?”
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Elicia: “Why are you guys burying my Papa?”
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Gracia: “Elicia...”
Elicia: “No...”
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Elicia: “If they do that, Papa won’t be able to go to work anymore...”
Gracia: “Eli...”


Page 11:
Elicia: “Papa said he had lotsa work to do!”
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Elicia: “No.”
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Elicia: “Please don’t bury him...”
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Elicia: “Papa...!!


Page 12:
Mustang: “Promoted two ranks higher in death.” “Major General Hughes, huh...?”
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Mustang: “You said you were going to support me by working under me. How are you going to do that now, when you have a higher rank than me?” “You fool.”
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Hawkeye: “Colonel.”


Page 13:
Hawkeye: “Aren’t you cold, Sir, with all this wind? Maybe you should think about heading back?”
Mustang: “In a minute.”
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Mustang: “What despicable creatures we alchemists are, Lieutenant.”
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Mustang: “Right now...” “...there’s a part of me that’s trying to figure out the details of transmuting human beings.”
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Mustang: “Now I think I can understand why those two kids wanted to bring their mother back.”
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Hawkeye: “Are you all right, Sir?”


Page 14:
Mustang: “I’m fine.”
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Mustang: “Looks like...” “...it’s starting to rain.”
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Hawkeye: “But... it’s not raining...”
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Mustang: “Yes it is” “This is rain.”


Page 15:
Hawkeye: “...Yes Sir.”
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Hawkeye: “Let’s get back. It’s getting cold out here.”
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Focker: “All of a sudden he ran off towards the records room as if he had just thought of something.”
SFX: CLAK CLAK CLAK CLAK


Page 16:
Focker: “This was the last time I saw Lieutenant Colonel Hughes alive.”
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Mustang: “By the looks of things, he must have gotten into a fight with someone in here.”
Focker: “Yes, that’s what I thought too.”
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Focker: “There was a trail of blood leading from the room out into this hallway.” “Then it goes in that direction.”
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Female officer: “Lieutenant Colonel Hughes was trying to make a phone call. He was bleeding from his shoulder, but didn’t explain why...”” He seemed to have something very important on his mind.”


Page 17:
Fe,ale officer: “And then he left... ...without making a call.”
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SFX: KREE
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Mustang: “He could have called from the court martial office...” “...but then he went out of his way to try to call me from an outside line... He must have had some reason for not trusting the office phone.”


Page 18:
Mustang: “The operator at the Eastern Headquarters heard Hughes say, ‘The military is in grave danger.’”
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Mustang: “What was it...?” “What could he have been trying to tell me?”
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Mustang: “Did he discover something so serious that it could cause the military to collapse...?”
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Hawkeye: “Colonel.”
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Hawkeye: “I’ve brought Major Armstrong.”


Page 19:
Armstrong: “We have a good idea of the identities of the individuals that murdered the Lt. Colonel.”
Mustang: “Then why don’t you hurry up and arrest them!!?”
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Armstrong: “I’m sorry, Sir. I said we have an idea but we don’t know who or where they are.”
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Mustang: “?”
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Mustang: “What do you mean by that? Explain yourself.”
Armstrong: “I cannot.”
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Mustang: “Are you disobeying the orders of a superior officer!? A Colonel is ordering you to speak!”


Page 20:
Armstrong: “I cannot.”
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Mustang: “I understand. I’m sorry for calling you out here. You can go.”
Armstrong: “Yes, Sir.”
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Armstrong: “There’s one thing I forgot to tell you.”
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Armstrong: “The Elric brothers were staying here until just a few days ago.”


Page 21:
Mustang: “The Elric brothers?”
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Armstrong: “Yes, the Elric brothers.”
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Mustang: “Did they find what they were looking for?”
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Armstrong: “No, they didn’t. because what they were looking for is a legend, after all.”
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Mustang: “Is that so?” “Thank you.”


Page 22:
Hawkeye: “I guess we weren’t able to get any significant information.”
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Mustang: “On the contrary, the Major was very kind to us.”
Hawkeye: “?”
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Mustang: “’The identity of the individuals’ means that there was more than one murderer.” “Perhaps a group of individuals working within an organization...”
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Mustang: “The fact that he wouldn’t speak, even when ordered by a Colonel, means that there is someone of higher rank than myself who has ordered the Major to stay silent about this matter. It would be safe to assume that military command is involved.”
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Mustang: “Not to mention what the Elric brothers are looking for...


Page 23:
Mustang: “In other words, the Philosopher’s Stone.”
Hawkeye: “I see...”
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Hawkeye: “An organization that is involved with the military command, the Philosopher’s Stone, and Lt. Colonel Hughes... How are they all connected?”
Mustang: “Who knows? I haven’t the foggiest.”
SFX: SKRICH SKRICH
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Mustang: “But I’m not going to let just this die.”
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Mustang: “Soon I will be transferred to Central.”
Hawkeye: “Oh. Congratulations.”
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Mustang: “This is a perfect opportunity to kill two birds with one stone.” “I will get to the bottom of what’s going on in military command and find out who killed Hughes. No matter what.”


Page 24:
Hawkeye: “It’s not like you to mix your personal feelings with business.”
Mustang: “In this case, there’s no difference between ‘personal’ and ‘business’.”
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Mustang: “Attaining the presidency and avenging Hughes are both things I do of my own free will!”
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Mustang: “I’m going after military command.” “Will you help me?”
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Hawkeye: “You know there’s no need to ask.”


Page 25:
SFX: HYOOOOO
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SFX: OOOOO


Page 26:
Scar: “...Where am I?” “This smell... Is this... Ishbal?”
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Scar: “Brother...”
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Scar: “Father...” “Where have they gone...?”
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Kimblee: “Hey.”


Page 27:
Scar: “...Who are you?” “You’re not an Ishbalan.”
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Kimblee: “Oh, please excuse me. I haven’t introduced myself yet.”
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Kimblee: “I’m the State Alchemist...” “...responsible for the genocide in this region.”
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SFX: GWOOOH


Page 28:
SFX: BAM
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SFX: BZT SHK


Page 29:
SFX: SNEER
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SFX: GRP


Page 30:
SFX: KRIK KREK SNAP
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SFX: PAF
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SFX: RRRRIIP
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Scar: “Guh...!”
SFX: BMP
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SFX: SWSH SWSH


Page 31:
SFX: KABAM
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SFX: BOOOM


Page 32:
SFX: JOLT!


Page 33:
Ishbalan boy: “Oh! You’re awake.”
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Scar: “...I’m... alive?”
Ishbalan boy: “Yup. We didn’t think you would make it.”
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Scar: “Where am I?”
Ishbalan boy: “You’re in the slums at the edge of East City.”
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Scar: “...You saved me?”
Ishbalan boy: Deh heh heh! “Uh huh. You better thank me!”
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Ishbalan boy: “We were really freaked out.” Whoa! “It’s not everyday that a man comes floating down the sewer.”


Page 34:
Scar: “...
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Ishbalan boy: “You’re thinking, ‘How can these people help others when they’ew so poor themselves?’, right?”
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Ishbalan boy: “Well, if you were anyone else, we would’ve taken everything you had on you and then thrown you back in the sewer.”
SFX: PLOP
Scar: “...”
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Ishbalan boy: “But you’re an Ishbalan, right?
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Ishbalan boy: “My mom’s an Ishbalan, too!”
SFX: GRIN


Page 35:
Ishbalan boy: “Gramps! He’s awake!”
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Old Ishbalan: “Oh ho. You’re very lucky to be alive, young man.” “You’re the one... ...who’s wanted by the authorities, right?”
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Scar: “!
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Scar: “Are you going to report me?”
Old Ishbalan: “No need to be on guard.” Keh keh kej
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Old Ishbalan: “This slum is full of those with ties to the Ishbalans.” “No one would be stupid enough to kill a kinsman.”


Page 36:
Ishbalan man: “Hey, I heard he’s awake!”
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Ishbalan man: “Let me know if you need anything, okay? “”We don’t have much, but we’ll do what we can!” Gah ha ha ha
Ishbalan child 1: “He’s awake.”
Ishbalan child 2: “Phew, that’s good.
SFX: GAB GAB GAB
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Scar: “So many Ishbalans survived...?
Old Ishbalan: “It’s not just here, either. There are small colonies in every region where our people continue to survive quietly but happily.”
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Old Ishbalan: “Even a place like this that smells of soot begin to feel like home once you get used to it.” “’The entire world rests within the bosom of Ishbala.’” Kah kah kah
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Scar: “...Yes.”


Page 37:
Scar: I’m sorry to cause you so much trouble... Gghh!
Ishbalan boy: “Hey, try not to move around so much. After all, you almost died.”
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Scar: “...Hey, boy.” “Is my right arm still there? Or was it gone?”
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Ishbalan boy: “Right arm? Yeah, it’s hurt really bad, but you still have both of your arms and legs.”
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Ishbalan boy: “But your right arm’s really amazing.”
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Ishbalan boy: “Is that a tattoo?”


Page 38:
Scar: “Yes.”
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Scar: “It’s something precious that my family gave me.





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The actual discussions start below. smile.gif

We'll fill out the chapter info later. Meantime, if you can help out and list entries for these chapter info for the listed categories (such as characters in this chapter, etc.) please go ahead and post!! (Except, transcripts for chapter 16, which we already have, courtesy of myself. ^^) Or, if you can think of some other interesting categories, please post and share! biggrin.gif

Or, if you have any questions for any part of chapter 16, now is the chance to post and ask us!! ^^

Or, please post your thoughts and opinions on this chapter, now that you're reading it second time! ^^

And now this thread is open to discussions and comments for re-reading of FMA manga chapter 16!! biggrin.gif
The Stubborn Alchemist
Beautiful front page with Hughes' knive and the photo... sad too

Omg lol! Ed’s face at page 05 with his little tear XD

So sad that they don’t know about Hughes sad.gif And right after that the funeral is shown… really, really sad. Especially with Eli of course. And with the “It’s raining” moment (Mustang crying?! :’( )
The first time I saw the funeral (in FMA anime 1) I just couldn’t believe it. NO WAY that such a fine character as Hughes would die so soon… At first I thought it was wrong to do such thing! (Hughes is a rather perfect character in my eyes: gentle, caring, funny and crazy but serious at the right time…) But after all, this is what makes FMA so strong: characters that you love actually have a chance to die. So during the rest of the manga I was constantly fearing for my favourite characters!! Damn, my poor heart almost couldn’t handle it sometimes xp

And beautiful Hughes sketch on the black page at the end smile.gif
RoyxRizaFan
I can't believe I haven't had time to participate in these "discussions" until now. Where is everyone?? I could have sworn a dozen of us said we'd read this...oh well!

Let's see if we can stimulate any sort of discussion! Perhaps by asking questions like "What did you think the first time you read it?" and "How does it make you feel now?" because plot summary of things we've read 100 times won't make anyone want to post...

So, if I'm going to answer the questions I've put out for everyone myself...well, I can clearly remember when I read that Hughes died. It was around the time he was just getting more screentime, and I was beginning to love him. I remember that I really loved him around the omake Flame vs. Fullmetal, when he ranted about Elysia's birthday, and I was like, "This guy is hilarious! He's on my favorites for sure," and then about three chapters later, he dies. I didn't believe it until I saw his funeral, honestly. I'm so used to animes where no one dies (like D. Gray Man) In a lot of shounens, authors make excuses, making you believe someone's dead before saving them, but Hughes was really dead. And, of course, the first time I saw the anime adaptation, I almost cried. Hearing Elysia crying was heartbreaking.

In retrospect, though? This was probably one of the most important chapters of Fullmetal Alchemist and a major, MAJOR turning point. Not only did a beloved character die, but Roy finally started to show a new side of himself. Until then, he was just that cocky Colonel, but around this time we saw his sincere side, when he cried at Hughes' grave and asked Riza if she'd continue to follow him. It was also the start of ANOTHER side of Roy, the one that wanted revenge, and that would be a major character theme throughout the manga.

It also forced us to take Arakawa seriously. We realized that this WAS an action manga, a realistic one where characters could and would die. That definitely changed the way I read Fullmetal Alchemist. Characters had obviously died before (like Nina/Alexander and Tucker) but this was different; it was a character we had followed for several volumes, and who appeared to be a main part of the series (not that he wasn't, even after death, but you know what I mean)

Anyone else????
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