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QUOTE (zonkiethegreat @ Apr 10 2010, 05:07 PM) *
I bet this part of the OP is a spoiler too. I'm sure we will encounter this scene when its all over.



But I think the ENTIRE OP is just one big spoilerfest (well sort of).


That doesn't explain the end of the video in that one. I mean you had Bradley and Hawkeye cry too. I think they were all motifs for the melancholy of the segment
AA battery
*face palm*

Now I hate the OPs. Kimblee spoiler even back in Golden Time Lover? OTL

We still have no idea where Selim's homunculus tattoo is, and he is reduced to his "true" form now...
Father's BIG BANG ATTACK is pretty epic at the end, with Ed's automail falling apart and stuff... what now? I need Doraemon's time travel machine like naw
Jealous Rogo
QUOTE (AA battery @ Apr 11 2010, 01:19 AM) *
*face palm*

Now I hate the OPs. Kimblee spoiler even back in Golden Time Lover? OTL

We still have no idea where Selim's homunculus tattoo is, and he is reduced to his "true" form now...
Father's BIG BANG ATTACK is pretty epic at the end, with Ed's automail falling apart and stuff... what now? I need Doraemon's time travel machine like naw


Question: How can it be a spoiler if no one knew it was a spoiler until now?

And I'm pretty convinced that his tattoo is that mark on his forehad in his true form, yeah t's drawn slightly differently but if it's not that then I'm sure we'll see it eventually
AA battery
QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 11 2010, 12:29 AM) *
Question: How can it be a spoiler if no one knew it was a spoiler until now?

And I'm pretty convinced that his tattoo is that mark on his forehad in his true form, yeah t's drawn slightly differently but if it's not that then I'm sure we'll see it eventually


Well I can't think of a better noun for describing that at the moment. Enlighten me please. Or we could keep calling it that.

I thought that really looked like a belly button on his forehead. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Jealous Rogo
QUOTE (AA battery @ Apr 11 2010, 01:33 AM) *
QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Apr 11 2010, 12:29 AM) *
Question: How can it be a spoiler if no one knew it was a spoiler until now?

And I'm pretty convinced that his tattoo is that mark on his forehad in his true form, yeah t's drawn slightly differently but if it's not that then I'm sure we'll see it eventually


Well I can't think of a better noun for describing that at the moment. Enlighten me please. Or we could keep calling it that.

I thought that really looked like a belly button on his forehead. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD


Foreshadowing would work in fact i mentioned that in relation to op5 somewhere

And that... could work but be very weird

even by arakawas standards
shanryelric
OwO i just realised that spoiler in the opening 3!! wowowowo. he has the same 'bye bye' scene with his hat... i guess...
petitepois
Hey! English Translation found here! Enjoy! biggrin.gif

Please delete if it has already been found...
allykatty1
It took me a few minutes to REALLY get that the scene in Golden Time Lover really was a "spoiler" for that this chapter! At first I thought, "Eh, could be considered foreshadowing, but it also could just be symbolic of Kimblee's having had Stones/souls at his disposal, period." But then when shanryyelric pointed out the "bye bye" scene with the hat, I facepalmed. happy.gif I KNEW Kimblee's little farewell looked really familiar, but I didn't place it right away, even after the shot in GTL was initially pointed out! Haha, guess that's what I get for staying up until 5 AM after watching the stream of the new Brotherhood episode, reading the new chapter and THEN reading this entire thread! wink.gif My brain is going to melt if I don't call it a night soon...

That said, I also want to comment on Ed's taking over of Pride. If he was "entering" Pride mentally in "soul" form, does this mean he A: was using his knowledge of a "Philosopher's Stone of one soul"merely to access Pride and remove him from his container, or B: when Pride realizes Ed "turned himself into a Stone," does that mean that Ed was in fact somehow absorbing the remaining souls (if any) left in Pride's container in order to disintegrate it?

I think A, since I get the impression that Pride's container was so far gone that he would have dissolved at that point anyway (and that there were no other souls left except the one(?) he was clinging to). I saw that a few other people thought that maybe Ed was somehow more like Hohenheim now, but I doubt that's the case. I think he's still just him (although it would have been nice to theorize that the leftover energy from Pride would somehow contribute to opening the Gate again to get their bodies back... but meh, I guess that would go against Ed not wanting to use a Stone for that purpose anyway).

Also, unlike the inside of Greed's consciousness (if in fact this was equivalent to that), there are no floating heads/souls flying around, indicating that Pride is indeed running on empty. Of course, by THAT logic then the opening to GTL is slightly incorrect since it DOES include the heads/souls, but oh well, I guess that's just nit-picking. wink.gif Kimblee does also have a Stone in his mouth in the OP, which obviously he doesn't here. Guess they're just trying to be artistic (and purposely confuse us all along the way)! biggrin.gif
Vicious74
Kimblee was the highlight of the chapter for me. The fact that in the end he chose to side with humans and deemed them as the strongest and most worthy of survival, while still remaining absolutely twisted, was a pretty awesome ending for his character.

And man I wish Ed had gotten to know that he was saved by him. His reaction would've been amusing.
Hillary
On the topic of Father filtering everyone's alchemy:

Remember WAY back in the very first episode of Brotherhood when Issac the Freezer activated his iceberg alchemy and for a second Father was all "Huh?" and then at the end of the episode when he went back to sleep or whatever?

I was thinking that this is just futher proof of Father being able to sense alchemy on the surface/Bones totally knowing how the series is going to end.
o-ren
Trying to figure out how Envy will be defeated (because he obviously will, no homonculus is going to live on I believe) is quite the interesting topic.

I also agree that our heroes didn't get blasted to smitherines' just playing on the fact that it looked like it. If they did though, would they end up at the gate? What would happen now that Truth isn't there? Would they gain something from him once they defeat Father in exchange for helping to restore him to power?

I agree with the possibility that someone may have to be sacrificed (Strong possibility Hoho but hey, maybe even Al) to take his guy down.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (Hillary @ Apr 12 2010, 03:40 AM) *
On the topic of Father filtering everyone's alchemy:

Remember WAY back in the very first episode of Brotherhood when Issac the Freezer activated his iceberg alchemy and for a second Father was all "Huh?" and then at the end of the episode when he went back to sleep or whatever?

I was thinking that this is just futher proof of Father being able to sense alchemy on the surface/Bones totally knowing how the series is going to end.


oooh yes, you could be right. biggrin.gif
HisshouBuraiKen
QUOTE (Southern Rain @ Apr 10 2010, 12:23 PM) *
Kimblee's appearance got me rolling eyes. His excuse for keeping cool wsn't good; but if Ling managed to survive even suffering so much thanks to his ambition, then yes, it's plausible. I decided that I like his character. Of course he's a maniac and a psychopath in all manners, but he's coherent: he'll take a side and stick to it because, if you choose a path, you can't stray from it. That's why he admired the Rockbell doctors (even if he was ordered to kill them), the homunculi, and the Elrics, and despised, for example Mustang and Hawkeye during the war - pick a side, and be prepared to burden the consequences. So it's plausibvle that he'd talked to Pride when he betrayed his own...pride, the only thing that would make him superior.

But he shouldn't have helped Ed, if he indeed did, even though he chooses sides according to coherence. Because he's the only impartial character of the series.


So you're assuming Kimblee would remain neutral and coldly logical even when given the choice between helping Ed and the homunculus who killed him and absorbed his soul? I think that's a BIT of a stretch. Even if he didn't mind the raging storm of tormented souls, I doubt he'd want to spend eternity in Pride's stone.
Tezrath
It would make sense form Kimbley's side. Back at Briggs when he was giving Ed his 3 tasks; Ed said he became a state alchemist because he was 'determined NOT to kill'... Kimbey's response was that "yes if you stay true to that path, that choice could be equally relevant"

Kimbey respects those that stay true to their principles. Like Winry's parents. They chose their path and stuck with it. To their death. Thus when Pride is willing to take over a mere 'lowly' human to survive, he has sealed his own fate as far as Kimbey is concerned. He just invalidated his own existence.
Thalogens
QUOTE (o-ren @ Apr 12 2010, 04:08 AM) *
I also agree that our heroes didn't get blasted to smitherines' just playing on the fact that it looked like it. If they did though, would they end up at the gate? What would happen now that Truth isn't there? Would they gain something from him once they defeat Father in exchange for helping to restore him to power?


Then if those who were blasted go to the gate and retrieve what they have lost... that means that Mustang stays blind. Damn.
Ropespinner
...Why would getting blasted into smithereens make them enter the Doors and get back what they lost? I'm missing a step in this logic.
Katya Martin
I think the idea that Father's blasted everyone to the Gate is coming from the fact that Father's still powered up with "God" or "Truth" or whatever it was that he managed to get his hands on. I don't think so, though. I think this blast might actually be less powerful than it looks-- he seems to be going out of control. All we know is that it was big, bright, and wrecked Ed's arm.

Man, this is going to be a long wait to see what exactly the Fathernuke did...
SneakyRuler
First, thank you to HishouBuraiKen and Tombow for translating this chapter (and to Mangastream for releasing the scanlation so early, honestly, I didn't expect it so soon) and to hilary and Kasumisty for bringing spoilers and raws! Your amazing!

@Tombow: I love reading your translations. For some reason glancing at a page and then reading the translation you did provides more information for me than reading scanlations where I cans see the drawings and text simultaneously, especially in chapters which make me confused what actually happened. Maybe it is because you put in explanation notes and take extra care of the sound effects? It feels a little like listening to a radio play but without any sound involved laugh.gif

This chapter left me wondering two things. Is it possible that Scar survives and helps creating new Amestris where people can live in peace, filling it with positive energy? He's wounded and bleeding but if Mei gets to him soon enough (or any other alchemist with a philosopher's stone) he can pull through alive.
And did really Hohenheim plan to die? He seems like he resigned but on the other side had he succeeded crushing Father's container before solar eclipse occured nothing of this would happened and he wouldn't have to shield everyone, Xerxes people included, from Father's blasts.

So Pride's gone stripped of his power and he's a little cute thing, just like his human body was! I'm quite curious what exactly Kimblee did there and I'm excited he got his classy departure.

I enjoyed happy reunion of Izumi and Sig! So much love! Plus it was funny seeing poor Roy being thrown around a lot the last chapters. But better his pride wounded than him being dead. I didn't feel bad seeing Wrath's dead body. He looked so content and Greed looked like he was envious of him for some reason just realised Greed hates him for killing his people; yeah that explains why he didn't widh him happy death

66 pages and I wished there was just one page more so I could see what happens next... or just one panel biggrin.gif I expect Father to be defeated next chapter but how can Al get his body in all this mess?
FailToImpress
QUOTE (SneakyRuler @ Apr 13 2010, 03:03 PM) *
@Tombow: I love reading your translations. For some reason glancing at a page and then reading the translation you did provides more information for me than reading scanlations where I cans see the drawings and text simultaneously, especially in chapters which make me confused what actually happened. Maybe it is because you put in explanation notes and take extra care of the sound effects? It feels a little like listening to a radio play but without any sound involved laugh.gif


Haha me too!

One thing, do we know for certain that it's ending at 108? I can't remember if it was actually set in stone or not... because I don't see how everything is going to be wrapped up in 2 chapters, even if they are long.
A Pierrot's Aria
^As far as I know, it's not certain that 108 is definitely when it's going to end; it's an educated guess using the idea that it will coincide with the ending of the anime. biggrin.gif

I'm not going to get involved in the discussion as I haven't read all of the pages, and I'm too lazy to at the moment. LOL So I'm just going to leave some thoughts.

I really find interesting the fact that Pride has a loyalty to Father, yet the latter doesn't seem to care. Whereas Hohenheim is fervently protecting his son(s) even though he is aware of Ed's hatred of him.

And poor Roy, he not only got pushed away by Izumi, he got faceplanted by Greed. xD Those moments made me laugh.

As for the Roy/Riza reunion- I liked it. I doubt it would be in their nature- especially in the midst of battle-- to get all mushy. They used their own code of communication to ensure that they were each alright. I believe that them knowing that they both can still go on, will maintain their morale.
Anomia Grey
Just want to throw in my twopence, ignore if it's already been said:

a) The fact that Ed could take over Pride and smash his container like that might mean he could also potentially separate Greed from Ling. Now, there's obviously no evidence of yet that Ling wants this to happen, or whether he will survive till the end anyway.

cool.gif if Ed can turn himself into a PS like that, he could also open the Gates without having to sacrifice anything apart from another bit of his soul. I don't think that's very likely to happen though - just a possibility.

c) Probably already pointed out - now we know who is in the beginning of the flame sequence in the 5th OP - contrast

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu287/k...21h06m04s24.jpg

with

http://mangastream.com/read/fullmetal_alchemist/106-103/35

I knew there were only two people with a fringe like that in the show, and one of them was Ed!

d) I never expected the alchemy of Amestris to actually grow stronger as a consequence of this battle. Badass!

e) I can actually see Hawkeye directing Mustang's flames: remember that he causes the reaction with one hand, and, if I remember well, directs it with his other hand - I wonder if she couldn't just...'aim' him in the right direction? We'll have to wait and see what Roy has in mind. Seeing that now he can do clappy-alchemy, he'll be pretty strong, I'm actually staking my bets on him being the one who delivers the final blow on Hoho.

f) This is probably my favorite chapter to date.

g) Has the death of some if not all of the main cast members become a sort of standard ending for FMA chapters? Amused and intrigued about the outcome.
Loreley
I'm overwhelmed by this chapter. There is a nice explanation part, cool action, a cliffhanger, the last appearance of my favourite character (Crimson Alchemist, you'll be missed. At least he kept his aplomb and coherence till the very last) and as much as I hate Pride I felt a bit of pity for him. I hope he can reunite with Mrs. Bradley and live lika a normal kid.

Edit: I also wrote this on the onemanga forum, thinking about the chapter with a cooler mind.

I think it's about a year now that I have this feeling, that this manga is going to end for real. A part of me is happy because I want to know how it ends, but... I began following the scans here on OneManga with chapter 64, just before the monthly uploading started. It's been more than three years, now it's an habit for me to wait the new chapter with excitement and a bit of anxiety. It's sad to think that, soon, it will be over. I never loved any other manga, anime, comic, book or tv series as much as FMA, it feels like a tiny but significant portion of my world will be missing forever.
FailToImpress
QUOTE (A Pierrot's Aria @ Apr 13 2010, 04:49 PM) *
^As far as I know, it's not certain that 108 is definitely when it's going to end; it's an educated guess using the idea that it will coincide with the ending of the anime. biggrin.gif


Ah! Yes, I remember now. biggrin.gif thanks.

Edit:
QUOTE (Anomia Grey @ Apr 13 2010, 05:18 PM) *
!e) I can actually see Hawkeye directing Mustang's flames: remember that he causes the reaction with one hand, and, if I remember well, directs it with his other hand - I wonder if she couldn't just...'aim' him in the right direction? We'll have to wait and see what Roy has in mind. Seeing that now he can do clappy-alchemy, he'll be pretty strong, I'm actually staking my bets on him being the one who delivers the final blow on Hoho.


Like people have said before, I think that Roy's alchemy requires a far greater level of precision than simply someone telling him where to direct the flame. There's the intensity, range and direction of flames to consider, and I think that it would be far too difficult to even attempt it. You wouldn't shoot a gun with your eyes closed, even if someone told you where to aim. Plus, the very idea of Riza helping Roy in this manner is the most predictable (hey, we've all thought of it).

I imagine that flame alchemy is pretty hard to master in the first place, and sight is the greatest tool for it. There was a reason he lost his sight (albeit maybe unfair), and that was probably it.
o-ren
QUOTE (Katya Martin @ Apr 12 2010, 04:53 PM) *
I think the idea that Father's blasted everyone to the Gate is coming from the fact that Father's still powered up with "God" or "Truth" or whatever it was that he managed to get his hands on. I don't think so, though. I think this blast might actually be less powerful than it looks-- he seems to be going out of control. All we know is that it was big, bright, and wrecked Ed's arm.

Man, this is going to be a long wait to see what exactly the Fathernuke did...



Yes, that was sort of the basis that I was drawing from for my question. Mostly, I'm wondering that if they were to get sent to the gate with Truth stuck where he is, what would happen.

It's really going to be a long wait (maybe because of exams this wait didn't seem that long). Interested to see what comes next, now the guys have to figure out how to take down Father and quick.
Kasumisty
How Riza will help Roy with aiming. From Pixiv, user Makoto.
A Pierrot's Aria
^For some reason that looks really cute and I couldn't help but chuckle. xD I'll actually laugh if that happens.
spectator
@Kasumisty: That picture is so funny. Another typical 'useless flame alchemist' moment. laugh.gif laugh.gif
AA battery
QUOTE (Kasumisty @ Apr 15 2010, 09:46 AM) *
How Riza will help Roy with aiming. From Pixiv, user Makoto.


No, not epic enough.

It should be something like, "Colonel, aim 32.3 degree Northeast, 23.5 meters from here, 43.5 degree above ground level with 55.8% fire power."

ph33r my crappy mouse drawing!

FailToImpress
QUOTE (Kasumisty @ Apr 15 2010, 05:46 PM) *
How Riza will help Roy with aiming. From Pixiv, user Makoto.


Hmm, still wouldn't work. huh.gif Too many variables, I don't think they're stupid enough to try that.
Tian Ai
QUOTE
How Riza will help Roy with aiming. From Pixiv, user Makoto.


HAH epic! I'd love to see that =P Even as a little gag before all the real action starts.


QUOTE
It's been more than three years, now it's an habit for me to wait the new chapter with excitement and a bit of anxiety. It's sad to think that, soon, it will be over. I never loved any other manga, anime, comic, book or tv series as much as FMA, it feels like a tiny but significant portion of my world will be missing forever.

Loreley - Totally know what you mean. We'll probably all be wandering around in blind confusion and denial for awhile. For a couple more months (who knows, maybe more...) we can live in tremulous peace... o.O


As far as speculations of Roy's plan...
What if there's some way to combine his alchemy with her sharpshooting?
Riza aims her gun, Roy adds alchemical power to the bullet?

Just throwing out wild guesses now.
deet-tastic
Well the good news is we have less than a month for 107
(lawl leik no wayz deet!!1!1!)

I'm trying to be all optimistic here.

And that both those pictures are absolute win. biggrin.gif
Gimpyhair
QUOTE (Tian Ai @ Apr 16 2010, 07:33 AM) *
As far as speculations of Roy's plan...
What if there's some way to combine his alchemy with her sharpshooting?
Riza aims her gun, Roy adds alchemical power to the bullet?

Just throwing out wild guesses now.


It's a wild guess, but I thought of it too. I'm still trying to found something else, but nothing comes up in my mind ^^;
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