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* Episode Preview from FMA-2 official JP site:
(Translation by Tombow, episode title is from official sub on Funimation.com)
Episode 13: "Beasts of Dublith"
Finally, Roy is assigned to Central, while Scar is back on his feet from the serious injury sustained during the fight against Homunculi, and heads for Central as well. Meantime, Al is staying at the Izumi's in Dublith, and hoping to regain his memory on "Gate of Truth." Then, Al is approached by a mysterious group who claims that they know Al's "secret." They also tell Al that they are all chimeras.....


Also, FYI, preview of the next episode (episode 14) from FMA-2 official JP site
(Translation by Tombow, with tentative episode title till we see official sub on Funimation.com)
Episode 14:TBA
TBA..


Reminder:
For those who had seen the first series of FMA anime, and/or read FMA manga, you can probably guess what's coming in spme future episodes. HOWEVER, please remember that there are some who have not seen FMA-1, nor read managa. I know many of you would like to talk about the upcoming events and storylines. If you do, please USE PROPER SPOILERS, so that those who have no idea for the future story would not be spoiled. THANK YOU!!!



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Episode was good. They've give us many manga panels animated, too bad so many things were cut. Animation gorgeous as always.

And....WTF LIN AND XING PEOPLE IN SOME AD! : O

YES they were!

As for the ep... I *think* they left me out Grumman telling Roy to marry his granddaughter... I hope they make up for the lack of Royai in the upcoming parts.

Plus, the preview included a shot of Father >D

Animation just like Kasumisty said, was awesome, can't wait for the RAW.

PS. Yep, they skimmed through Volume 7 in this ep... hopefully they'll put in the parts they've skipped here in the next ep.

WOOO!

I have no flurking clue what I'm watching anymore. Dropping scenes, adding scenes, juggling scenes, shortening scenes.

- Ed doesn't go to the South HQ? Then how does Bradley come?
- Izumi visits after Ed's already confronted Greed? And she just totally owns him like he was nothing?
- Greed's new VA is decent. Not sure about the other characters.
- Animation was a little wonky, angering me at times.
- Why have Mason now?
- Why have Yoki now?

UGH, this is really testing my fandom. This episode filled me with such mixed emotions.

Greed will only be around for another episode, then apparently they'll be getting to Ling and his crew. Somebody wake me up when that's over, Ling is my least favorite character of anything ever.

For today's episode, fangirling apart that sometimes gets me, I have to see the RAW decently again.

What I'm REALLY looking forward now are the things that'll come with Vol. 8 onwards...
Barry the Chopper should be coming soon now! *___* And the Roy and Riza parts... WAAAH!


OT:
And video of the commercial, thanks to csakuras' LJ.
the vid of the commercial of FMA:B on Yahoo video
ETA:
Link to the Yahoo video is dead... found this one on YouTube: Vid on Youtube

EDIT 2:
Actually, this is better: Better viewing one on Youtube

<Thank you, amestris_star!! ^^ Anyone who'd like to know/discuss more about this commercial, please go here for more discussions on this. Gimpyhair posted nice screen caps of that commercial there. ~ Tombow>

I haven't seen the episodes, but screenshots look okay...my first thought was, "Wow there's a lot of blood."

And that's something I'm actually happy about since it reflects the manga alright.

Yeah, it's not as censored as some other shows (like Bleach I guess). But from what I read on penguintruth's post, they changed a lot of things? I'm not going to be happy about that; I really wanted a strict manga adaptation. Oh well, nothing's perfect...

P.S. I can't watch youtube in China for some reason, it really sucks. What's in the commercial?

One of the things that irked me is that they cut short the first real scene of Alphonse's independence in FMA, when he takes on the chimera lackies of Greed on his own. Even though he eventually gets taken captive, it shows that he's capable of handling himself. In this episode, they cut it so short, it hardly needed to be there at all. I mean, isn't that what everyone was looking forward to, an Alphonse who was more active? Not to mention they cut out a lot of the humor, like Greed and the gang thinking they upset Alphonse (misinterpreting something he said as saying his brother died), and one of the gang using a lighter to try to hyptnotize him.

Look, I get it, a lot of you are getting excited about Ling, but to me, the show is speeding through the bits with my favorite character to get to the bits with my least favorite character.

Yes. I hate to be 'that' person who only ever complains, but you're really better off just rereading the source material for this ep. It's bothered me enough that I'm listening to the old series' OPs and getting nostalgic xD I was hoping the production values of Brotherhood would at least equal it, but it's too much to hope for I guess? Ep 15 does look a looot better though, so I have a little bit of faith left.

The good moments of this episode were done well though (Al = laser eye beamuuuuu *ww*), the animation too.

Wew , this episodes too much of shortening , people who doesnt read manga might be confused when see this episodes

It's a bit OT, but I'm just curious, why do you dislike Ling?

Various reasons. I'll get into them when he shows up in the series.

OH NO OMG NOOOOOOO! I was really hoping they were gonna keep the lighter bit and especially the bit where Greed and co misinterpretted what Al said about Ed 'being gone' that was one of my favourite parts in the section noooooooooo! (damn im gonna have to break that to a friend of mine who really wanted to see that animated too...) if all what you say is right, this series is really starting to test my patience. There are people who havn't seen the first anime or read the manga, particually for non-manga readers id be very prepared to sacrifice another month or something till the new stuff and just so they keep to the proper story.

Hmm...It's fast
but the art & FIGHT was perfect!!
and I loved the funny parts^o^/
Loool, Martel's voice looks great!~<3
{{{{ED ANGRY WooooooW !!!!}}}}'o'
now I just wait the sub
to understand the episode very well.
IT'S enjoyable episode generally

Don't worry I was extremely irked by this. I was really looking forward to Al being awesome here but the only cool Al scene they had was him kicking the dog Chimera. The rest was completely cut. No Sig/Armstrong friendship scene either (unless they somehow add that in the next episode since we see Armstrong in the preview. How the hell is Bradley & Armstrong going to get there since Ed didn't go to Southern Headquarters though?)

I also didn't like how they had Izumi actually lay a punch on Greed. Way to miss the point.

The only scene they did well in the 2nd part of the episode was Ed's corny speech about not making deals with villains. But overall I was disappointed.

And Penguintruth I do agree with you on what is the point of Mason now. But Yoki at least does have more of part in the manga than Mason. If they had dropped him I would have been pissed. Even though I do think his introduction was done poorly.

Well, yes, Yoki does become a relatively regular character in the story later on, what I meant was that as an introduction for the character, it was pretty ill planned. I'm hoping he at least flashes back to his fall from grace somehow, even if it's in passing. A funny thing would be if he was describing it and nobody was paying attention.

Watched the raw. Overall I was disappointed with this episode, too. So many scenes from the manga were left out. Ed didn't go to the Southern HQ, so no meeting with Armstrong and Bradley. Then why will they come to Dublith later?
Al's awesome fight with the chimeras was shortened. They also cut the "marry my granddaughter" scene. Too bad, I really wanted to see that.
I don't understand why those scenes were left out. They weren't in the 1st series, so I thought we'll see those in Brotherhood.

I didn't like that they changed a lot of scenes, too. Why did Izumi come after Ed? And how did Ed know where's Al?

Now to write something positive: I liked the voice of Greed and chimeras. The animation and the fight scenes were good, too.

I really hope further episodes will be better. In two weeks we'll reach the manga-only material, so I hope the creators won't mess up with those.

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@FMAobsessed - It's Hologram by NICO Touches the Walls, the next OP of FMA:B. (BTW, I moved your post to the thread mentioned below ^^)

Anyone who'd like to discuss more about the commercial vid that run during this episode, please go here for more discussions on this. Gimpyhair posted nice screen caps of that commercial there.

Thank you Tombow And sorry for going off topic. It is just because I saw the commercial in this thread and I really wanted to know.

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@FMAobsessed - No problem!! ^^

Just added a note on amestris_star's post so that everyone would know where to go for the discussions for that commercial.

@amestris_star - Thanks for the update with new links for th evid!! I edited in the new vid links posted by you on the post below (tho you don't see it now because I merged the post with your previous post XD) and added the working link info on your previous post on this ads.

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Sorry for the interruption. Please continue episode 13 discussions. ^^

just finished watching the RAW and God im so dissopointed, for me this is the worst episode yet and is really begining to test my patience with this series. I hated that so much was missed out, and what the hell was Izumi doing at the end???! And she seems to be able to pwn Greed in this adaptation too which is just wrong ¬_¬ well I've ranted to so many people about this ep all ready and i cba to repeat myself XD but in conclusion very dissopointing

Just watched the raw, and this is definitely the most disappointing episode yet. Probably the only one since Episode 2 when I was blown away by how fast they were going and how much they skipped out on.

The way they rearranged Ed and Greed's fight and Izumi's was pointless. There's no way Bradley and Armstrong can come in now besides randomly popping up in Dublith. And how the hell did Izumi own Greed? The whole point of her not being able to beat Greed was so she wouldn't be invincible.

They also messed with Al a bit, but at least he beat up Dorochet? before he got kidnapped.

Nothing to complain about with Mustang's scene, or Scar's, except that Yoki's introduction was a little off, but nothing seriously bad.

They really should've spread this out over three episodes. :/

I'm counting on how amazing the pace and characterization must be in future episodes to make up for the skimmed parts in this one.

Oh no, why so fast? Yet again?
This new series isn't really what I expected, and if it doesn't stop cutting important/not-so-important but still my favourite scenes away at least when the manga-only material starts, I'm gonna be really, really disappointed. >__< ...even more so.

Disappointed must be the most used word in this thread, huh?

Oh, and Ed vs. Greed fight, that was lame, too. ):
I loved the manga version since it was pretty short but still dramatic, this one was just... dull.

Dispite almost everyone being disaapointed with this episode, I'm wondering where are the subs? Are the subs out yet?

SUBS ARE OUT. I'm gonna go watch it now Hopefully it won't be as bad as everyone says it is...

EDIT: WTF this is episode 12, not 13...-sigh- So subs for ep 13 aren't out yet?

EDIT2: Okay, subs for the correct episode are out now

Just finished watching the sub. I didn't think it was that bad of an episode at all. The fight scenes were done excellently. I also liked Ed's huge rant to Greed (and Greed's subsequent clapping). The only thing that I really wanted but didn't have was the thing with Greed consoling Al because he thought Al said that Ed was dead. Greed's character was established well though, he had a good voice and animation.

If you take out the fact that Yoki was previously not introduced correctly with the coal mine, I think they did a perfectly good job of establishing his character this way. He's a weak, pathetic, greedy sellout who dislikes the Elrics for some reason, and that's all we really need to know. Who knows, they might even reveal sometime later the actual circumstance behind it (not a whole episode though of course. They could probably summarize the entire coal mine story in 30 seconds with a few funny pictures and a little narration by Yoki).

I do wish scar's attacks would have more of those zesty alchemy lines like they did in the first series. Right now he sort of just touches them and their body parts blow up randomly.

From the preview it is obvious that Armstrong and Bradley are going to be in Dublith, so instead of complaining about the lack of context/reasons right now, I'm going to postpone judgment until seeing the next episode where their presence in Dublith will be explained, somehow. But either way they missed a classic "melon" opportunity...

My biggest complaint is the soundtrack - in this ep we heard so much of the same old themes thus far and none of it really impresses me *at all*. The fighting track is good I think, but everything else is getting boring hearing the same stuff every single episode.

To rectify, next week we better get something along the lines of Armstrong and the Fuhrer being at South HQ. Armstrong and King comment on it being State Alchemist exam season and worrying over whether Ed remembers. Armstrong brings up his power of tracking brought down through generations and boom the two are in Dublith at the Curtis' store front.

Disappointed. Like in the last few episodes, they skipped lots of good parts from the Manga. The fighting scenes were great, but they were also very short. Also, i think that the part when Ed gets angry is pretty much ridicolous.

The episode really made Greed and his crew seem like, well, chumps. Edward figures out Greed's whole deal pretty quickly and Izumi comes in and immediately subdues him, like he was nothing. Like he's some scrub mini-boss.

And, of course, all those back-and-forth bits between Greed's crew and Alphonse really take away from the charm of them. Greed seems so much less stylish and cool than he was in the first series. We don't see him with women, we don't see him waltz in to meet Al for the first time (meets him on the street), he's talking at a super fast speed to cram in all the explanations necessary. Greed just isn't all that cool here. Even his carbon armor mode seems lame, especially the way it's colored.

In fact, the character designer seems to have taken a vacation. Greed looks different from both his manga counterpart and first series one, and his crew are laughably bad in terms of design. They look sort of balloonish and awkward.

You know, in the manga, this arc is supposed to be the first one where the concept of homunculi are introduced. In the first series, they did that in the Laboratory 5 arc. Greed is the first homunculi who becomes a solid character, even if it is for a short time. Lust and the others were just sort of lurking in the background, but Greed shows off. So having this all sped through is ridiculous. Imagine this series is your introduction to FMA. It's being treated like a joke.

Yoki appeared out of nowhere, we don't know why he was with Ishbalans, who he was earlier (we know that he wasn't a beggar always since he said "I'll rise up once again", but nothing more), why would he hate Ed... If creators of this anime assume that everybody knows everything why do they make this anyway? It's done so poorly that I can't believe it can get better when Ling appears. For 13 episodes it's been either bad, very bad or pathetic. 13 episodes in a row it has been annoying me. So far I'm watching it only to see my favorite manga characters in motion but if it keeps up I might drop this series. I was so excited when I first heard there would be "proper" adaptation and I've met with such disappointment...
Al was portrayed as duffer, he was disabled in like 5 seconds. Meisun appeared suddenly, Izumi came out of nowhere, they didn't show her vomiting at the crocodile, Shig with babes, etc. etc. The dialog in 15th minute didn't make much sense to me. Maybe the subs were inaccurate:

Ed: A tatoo of Uroboros.
Greed: That's right. It would have been convenient if we could finish this with just Armor-kun here but wahtever.
E: If you're in cahoots with that lot then ask me directly.
G: "That lot?"
E: The guys who have that tatoo were in the 5th Laboratory. We met some guys who had affixed their souls to armor there.
G: Is that so? Well, that was a bit of a special case. I can't really do that.

To be honest all dialogs in this episode were messy. Ed knew from Bidoh why Al was kidnapped, so he shouldn't have asked Greed whether he was in cahoot with these homonculi. If Greed were then he wouldn't need Al, he could ask Lust about armors. It made Ed look stupid.
Overall, too much compression in one episode and too many stupid changes. It was worse than poor.

I agree with most of the things, that have benn said. Too much cutting.
By the way, have you noticed, at the beginning of the fight between Ed and Greed, Ed was wearing gloves as usual. Okay right, but when he transmuted his blade, even the glove of his left hand disappeard. It wasn't took or rip off, it disappeard between the scenes. Wired things, everythere we look. Is it possible, that the animation workers go easy on their job?
Let's hope it will get better soon.

^ lol i just read through all the new comments since my last visit, and it pains me so much but i realy do have to agree on all the negative feedback, it upsets me because I do know people that have this series as their introduction to fma, and im feelin i should say dont watch it and read the manga first because its not a very good intro, which i shouldnt have to do, i feel the makers are assuming that EVERYONE knows everything about FMA, and even if they do, thats even more reason to keep the adaptation faithful.

I agree completly with Goral, I'm very close to dropping this series, if it doesnt pick up in quality ALOT by the time Ling comes. I'm really annoied, I was so excited from the point i first heard about brotherhood in like august/september last year, and i really feel like i been cheated out of it, tsk so much for BONES not killing another FMA

The episode was great as ever...xD
though it's true that they skipped lots of manga scenes.
but i really enjoy watching it..

the fight scenes was so awesome.
Ed with blood is just so cute.
the funny scenes are just okay...

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QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ Jun 29 2009, 10:02 AM)

Ok, maybe this isn't the place to put this question, but is the next episode the last episode of the season? Does that mean that we have to wait some time until they come out with an episode after that? Do we get another theme song and ending theme?

@Hagaren_4ever - I moved your post to Future Episode discussion thread, then replied to your post there. Please continue that discussion there.

Ehhh...

It could have been SOOO much better! I liked the Greed stuff in FMA1 better than this! T___T

They cut way too much and I felt no emotionally connections with Greed, Al, the Chimeras or even Ed.

They should have dragged Greed out into 3 episodes. He really deserves his time and so does the entire incident.


I still look forward to next week...that stuff is insane, I just hope they don't cut much.

And I continue to hope that when they catch-up to Manga-only stuff, they slow down a LOT.

It was fast and didn't seem to stop for any humour or intelligence. All the stuff with the Devil's Nest could only really be described as abrupt. Dialogue generally just seemed a bit weird. (maybe the translation?)

While it looked okay, and fairly clean when still, the animation was terrible. It was still a LOT of the time. The faces and everything just...Yeah. It was like a flash video or something.
The fights seemed to be animated fairly well though. (but I had a hard time watching them because the flash player I used on this ep chugged a bit)
They cut away from Greed's face transforming? Really?
Ed's rant and Izumi's housewife line just seemed ridiculous and not good. At all.
Also, was it just me or was Izumi's chest noticably bigger than usual? O_o

Next week: Greed's crucifiction? Amazing fight and ending for that bit, but...Already?

Haven't reread the manga version of this ep yet, will get to it and no doubt rant about it later.

By the way, only just managed to watch this episode subtitled. Haven't been able to find Eclipse subtitles anywhere, only raws on the usual sites. What's that about?

No, it's just a lot more noticeable in that dress. I got the same impression in the manga.

Although I've always been really positive of all the Brotherhood eps by now, I have to agree with everyone else here this time. Too many things were cut off this time.

Even the episode begun out of nowhere, when Ed and Al were already on the train station while Izumi told them they are not her apprentices anymore. It was kind of confusing. D: (or then it was simply the upload I saw that cut something from the beginning. After all, it didn't show even the opening video. )
Drawing style was kinda funny this time, too. Though I have to admit that while Ed's ranting scene looked way too much out of the series normal style (it reminded me of Gurren Lagann more.. ), it was pretty cool. :3

And the animation on fighting scenes was.. BRILLIANT. That's definitely a plus.

Eh, not the worst episode, but definetely not the best. I had some mixed feelings about this one.
I liked the fight scenes. The animation was done pretty well there. But the animation on some of the characters was not very good. Especially Doucette. He looked really weird!

I liked how they talked about the "truth" and how Al is going to try to remember it. Very important.
The pacing was fast. There should have been more drama. Instead, it was like them saying Greed being a Homuculus was nothing important. I don't know...

Yoki's appearance was okay. But I agree that him saying that he'll get back at Ed, with no reason why, was wayyy too out there. Maybe when he finally meets up with Ed, we'll get a quick flashback, or an explantion.

Ed screaming rant to Greed and Co. was so overdone, I couldn't stand to watch it!! It almost reminded me of Hulk!Cornello. Wayyyyy too much, and kinda cartoonish.
Well, I"m at least glad that they kept in the "I'm a housewife"! part. Even though it was changed to "A mere passing HOUSEWIFE!!!", I was glad to see that.

Oh! And my favorite part was when Roy told Jean to break-up with his new girlfriend (cuz he was going to Central). So funny! Poor Havoc. lol

ok.i admit my memory on this chapter is blur,and

i think they cut out some things(maybe a lot).i 'm not sure if others agree,but i am a bit pissed off when they cut out the part where fuery,bread,havoc,hawkeye,falman is summoned.to me ,it's a good opportunity to introduce the characteristics of these characters.however they do include the havoc joke,which is one of my favs...but i wish they include roy"s laugh afterwards.
and yeah,ed scream,as trakonda says,it's too much
fight is perfect
and still some props for follow some of the manga scenes exactly
and yoki introduction,if all of us watch 1 season or manga it's fine and very funny to see cannibal Ed and Al
pic:http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=515635&page=3
but those who doesnt watch it..well...i think they need too to attract new viewers.
izumi's awesome,but al scene is not handled well.as 4 character drawings-well i think it's all

Actually, I don't know why but when I first started to read the manga I found myself almost skimming through the chapters surrounding Greed and his gang, so the speed of this episode didn't bother me much. I enjoyed it. However, I do agree a lot was cut out, but the Devil's Nest crew doesn't play quite as big a role in the Manga as they did in the first series and that's why I think it's rushed. I do agree that there should have been more development of Greed and his relationship with the chimeras because of what happens later in the manga.

I like that Izumi plays a bigger role in this series than in the first. I like her "housewife" statement because I'm a housewife too and feel strangely empowered by her character.

Oh my god, that episode was a freaking disaster. I just read the manga version of this episode up to when military types show up.

They missed characterisation between Izumi and the brothers at the start.

Cut short the stuff with Grumman. Kinda messed up that scene. Nice to see him though.

They missed that great part with all the military characters being called to Roy. With the characterisation like Hawkeye's aim being good, but in her own words "not good enough". You know, actually telling us anything about these characters seems a little important. I mean, christ, have Falman, Fuery and Breda even had lines in Brotherhood so far? Plus, animated, acted and with music, it would've been a really good scene.

I don't mind them missing the first bit with the lizard guy meeting the brothers, but his reporting back to Greed was a good setup and introduction for Greed, his lifestyle and his posse.

Scar's convo with his master just seemed better.

There was more personality for Greed's associates when waiting for Al.
(though in both versions I question how Dorchet or whatever was able to smell Al coming)

I can't explain but even bits that seem word for word, like Al meeting them and 'deciding on his own' and everything just seemed better in the manga. Like somehow the comedy and dramatic beats were off in the episode.

Factory chase should've been in.

I'd forgotten about this, but I didn't get the impression Martel had stretchy limbs in the episode, but I did in the manga. Might have just been my poor observation though.

The setup with Al captured while Izumi wonders where he is and such gave the manga arc a certain stability. Whereas the episode was all over the place.

Conversation with Al , Martel and Dorchet gave the chimeras personality and a sympathetic quality. And was better exposition than Greed just droning on.

Greed's introduction, friendly, cool, recognition of the ouroboros, Greed's opinion on other homonculi (first mention of Sloth?), Greed mentioning how he knows Al's "secret" (the gossip got to him from when Al got half blown up by Scar), Greed's motivations too...Just all of that; SO MUCH BETTER in the manga.
Al's attempt to escape is both cool and is further characterisation...
Facial reconstruction bit was good and suitably visceral in the anime, I'll give it that. But the set up of "I'm a homonculous and I'll prove it" was waaay inferior.
Greed speech about the impossible was much better.
Ed dead joke and the hypnosis bit also shouldn't have been missed.

Ed's assessment being missed isn't too bad, but the Fuhrer and Armstrong are important.

No Izumi kicking thug [All hail lord Xenu]? No Sig kicking giant [All hail lord Xenu]? No comedy relating to this? No further Chimera bashing by Izumi?

Housewife line was about as intense, but didn't have the stupid pause. Liked her berating Al in the manga.

Izumi coming in first and then Ed stuff was just a really weird change. No wonder the episode seemed so disjointed.

Gah, just had to rant. Sorry.

^Just more proof that the original manga is (almost) always better. Animes screw things up and give people bad impressions.

yeah, i read this whole section (all of vol 7 and end of vol 6) last night and this morning, just to recap on all the stuff that had been missed. Incrediably dissopointing, this epsiode was truly terrible. Having said that, a friend of mine whos just watching brotherhood and as of yet is not reading the manga said to me on msn 'omg that was so EPIC!' i was like O_o really? I thought it was beyond terrible, you understood it? At least its apprently not putting off newcomers to the series thats one good thing...i guess. This series is kinda reminding me of Harry Potter movies right now, the books=pure awesomeness the films=how the heck can you understand and enjoy when so much plot and all humor is missed out? *sigh* I don't have much hope for next week considering how this episode went, but who knows maybe it will make it seem a little bit better.

I definitely know what you mean, especially the whole Harry Potter comment. When things get adapted to screen, I always worry about character development, because that is usually what suffers the most, because I'm sure people saw that and thought Greed was just an evil character, when he isn't really.
@ Forsaken Love: I'm curious as to what your friend said about Greed though! And if he/she understood the whole thing.

Also, I can't believe they left out the Southern headquarters thing!! How are they going to explain the Fuhrer's and Armstrong's appearance there now? I'm sure they'll come up with something like "Armstrong told me all about your teacher, and to be teacher to someone as talented as you, they must be a great alchemist" and then say that they wanted to recruit her. Or they could have the Fuhrer say that they "learned of illegal activities" and then add to Greed later while they are fighting in the sewers that "Father wanted me to make sure that you were finally brought back home" or something. Cheap cover up basically for leaving out that Southern headquarters visit for his evaluation.

And they left out the whole "marry my granddaughter" thing that Grumman says to Roy! I always thought that apart from being Royai of course, that Grumman was using a code when he said that she would make a great Fuhrer's wife one day to let Roy know that there was something hidden in the "Queen's" piece, if you know what I mean.

Edit: and I just realized that when Izumi and Ed are both waving their hands around to describe Truth, both of Ed's arms are flesh colored....

@bluephoenix yeah i was really surprised to her reaction. She said she really liked Greed and thought he was a cool character O_o and she seemed to understand it... yeah well she said she really liked the episode and as i said, said to me 'omg! that was so epic!' I'm still trying to pursuade her to read the manga XD so she can understand that in comparision the manga is MUCH better. Greed seems very 2 dimensional to me in that episode, but we all have read the manga here practically, so we know what its meant to be like, people who havnt read the manga I guess would view it differently.

And yep I was really upset they missed those bits out, and my favourite joke of the section, Greed consoling Al for his 'loss' XD haha, unfortunatly they couldn't do that anyway scrapping Ed's vistit to HQ ¬_¬ Yeah come to think of it they were both fleash coloured, but in fairness to them i THINK they are in the manga too, but I could be wrong.

I went and found the page, it's Chapter 25, page 18. Arakawa didn't shade the right arm, so I guess it would seem flesh colored...?

I'll raise my hand as one of the few who enjoyed the episode. Having read the manga and seen the first series (like almost everyone here), I have no objection to the new anime skipping some scenes and trying hard to get to all new anime content.

The animation in this episode was fine - I literally didn't notice one flaw while watching it in HD. The pacing was a bit quick, which I'm used to at this point, but again - I already know the story, so my brain is automatically filling in the gaps. And newcomers shouldn't have a problem with the pacing either - the storyline still makes sense, and they won't even know what they're missing!