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Animeoldtimer
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Jun 9 2009, 01:59 PM) *
Besides, use Hawkeye as a lure is really nasty.
I think Father and so on don't see Riza as someone important.


Gees, I have this vision of a chibi Riza on a fishing hook now! laugh.gif That is nasty!

I think your right. They don't see her as important. I was trying to think of other possibilities.

However, I wasn't suggesting she opened the gate, but she was pulled into there.
kkg22104
Riza may not be important, but she's definitely an important person to Roy so they might plan to use her as well, just like Winry was used as a hostage earlier. Though I really hope Arakawa isn't planning to do this...
black~hayate
QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ Jun 9 2009, 08:20 PM) *
I think your right. They don't see her as important. I was trying to think of other possibilities.


Allways think about other possibilities, it would be really naive to believe everything what other people (like me) think wink.gif

QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Jun 9 2009, 08:22 PM) *
Riza may not be important, but she's definitely an important person to Roy so they might plan to use her as well, just like Winry was used as a hostage earlier. Though I really hope Arakawa isn't planning to do this...

Nah, who's doubtin' that =D
Besides, they allready used her as a hostage. When she had to work under Bradley.

Reta McClain
QUOTE (black~hayate @ Jun 9 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Hmm I don't think so.
Edo opened the gate inside Gluttony without transmuting someone. Besides, use Hawkeye as a lure is really nasty.


I would like to point out that Ed transmuted himself to open the Doors. He was going on about "transmuting iron into iron is a transmutation blah blah so transmuting a still living human blah blah is a human transmutation as well". Or something. I'm too lazy to check my vol. 13 (which is located a meter to the right from where I'm currently sitting.... >.< It's 11 p.m. here.)

And having Roy open the gate at this point... that needs pretty much work whether someone (i.e. Riza) dies or not.

The Checklist to Opening the Gate
- 1 passage fee
* you may use
= a philosopher's stone (note that even the ones inside homunculi work)
= limbs
= iternal organs
> for the last 2 you can at least theoretically use someone else, if you're feeling evil
- 1 transmutation circle
* you may use
= a traditional, extremely elaborated one (like the one Elric Bros. used) (note that this one takes a lot of time to draw)
= more simplistic (the one used in vol 13. by Ed)
- 1 person to be transmuted (note that a philosopher's stone is the most recommended passage fee in all cases)
* you may use
= yourself
= someone else

Also pretty much explains why there aren't enough human sacrifices who have seen the Truth.

Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm going to sleep now Zzzzzzz....
RoyxRizaFan
All this speculating gets me thinking...because it is waaaaaay too cliche, as everyone said, for Arakawa to do that Roy transmutation thing. Arakawa is made of too much epic win for that.

Going off of the theory about Wrath changing his mind, I suppose he could take Father's orders (from chapter 40) to deal with Mustang and consider/try to kill her and then change his mind (because of his discussion with Riza about his wife or whatever)

Thanks to everyone's who's been explaining the transmutations and Father's plan! Yeah, I'm pretty sure the dead civilians from the riots make up the actual circle, along with Sloth's tunnel, and then to open the gate he's sacrificing alchemists or something like that.
Animeoldtimer
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 9 2009, 04:32 PM) *
The Checklist to Opening the Gate
- 1 passage fee
* you may use
= a philosopher's stone (note that even the ones inside homunculi work)
= limbs
= iternal organs
> for the last 2 you can at least theoretically use someone else, if you're feeling evil
- 1 transmutation circle
* you may use
= a traditional, extremely elaborated one (like the one Elric Bros. used) (note that this one takes a lot of time to draw)
= more simplistic (the one used in vol 13. by Ed)
- 1 person to be transmuted (note that a philosopher's stone is the most recommended passage fee in all cases)
* you may use
= yourself
= someone else

Also pretty much explains why there aren't enough human sacrifices who have seen the Truth.

Sorry for the sarcasm, I'm going to sleep now Zzzzzzz....



You know I think I know what's missing Apple Pie!
(that would bring Winry back into the picture) or Melons! (Bradley could bring those.)
Kirara
QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan @ Jun 9 2009, 02:19 PM) *
All this speculating gets me thinking...because it is waaaaaay too cliche, as everyone said, for Arakawa to do that Roy transmutation thing. Arakawa is made of too much epic win for that.


Arakawa usually does the thing that people least suspect or at least I never suspect what she is really up to. She also tends to not do things for the sake of angst. Anyways I have complete faith in her. It's been 95 chapters and she has never let me down.
Full Metal Elf
Thanks!!

I can't wait for this chapter!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Father vs. Hohenheim...YAY! Didn't think we'd get back to that already o_O
FMAobsessed
I want more spoilers! But then at the same time I don't.

We should be getting a preview pic soon right?
spectator
@DistantBlue: I think the possibility of Roy opening the gate due to Riza's death is greatly reduced after the confrontation with Envy. I feel Roy have gained more strength to defend himself from his enemy's manipulation. If Riza is sacrificed, which I hate that would happen, I think Roy will be able to resist the temptation to open the gate, as long as Ed and co. are with him.

One more thing, we are talking about Riza. She is not the same as any other woman. She is one of the elites in the military. Not so easy to kill her.

Again, Riza please please please don't die. No one will know what Roy will become without her.
penguintruth
To me, the characters with death flags are Hohenheim, the remaining homunuculi (except maybe Greed, if he learns to completly coexist with Ling), Scar (though I feel like, if Arakawa intended to kill him, she would have already done it by now), and perhaps Izumi.

Riza totally doesn't show up on my death radar at all. Given recent events, if she died now, it would waste Roy's character development.
Kirara
The thing about Roy opening the doors for Riza well the thing is while Riza is very important to Roy she is not the only thing important to him. In fact all of his subordinates are important.

Also Bradley mentioned Roy's kindness as his weakness & strength, and he will get him to open the doors because of this kindness. In many ways this actually does not correlate to Riza being the cause. I am pretty sure Roy does not only care about Riza out of kindness. So if Bradley does get Roy to open the doors I think he will somehow manipulate Roy's kindness. In what way I don't know but I just want to put it out there.

spectator
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 9 2009, 11:09 PM) *
Also Bradley mentioned Roy's kindness as his weakness & strength, and he will get him to open the doors because of this kindness. In many ways this actually does not correlate to Riza being the cause.


Hmm... your point leads me to think that Roy may be opening the gate for the Elrics. He did care a lot of those kids.
Full Metal Elf
QUOTE (spectator @ Jun 10 2009, 12:17 AM) *
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 9 2009, 11:09 PM) *
Also Bradley mentioned Roy's kindness as his weakness & strength, and he will get him to open the doors because of this kindness. In many ways this actually does not correlate to Riza being the cause.


Hmm... your point leads me to think that Roy may be opening the gate for the Elrics. He did care a lot of those kids.



crybaby.gif crybaby.gif crybaby.gif crybaby.gif

That would be so sad! lol

But that is an excellent thought...
paca
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )
Aribelle
QUOTE (spectator @ Jun 9 2009, 09:17 PM) *
Hmm... your point leads me to think that Roy may be opening the gate for the Elrics. He did care a lot of those kids.


Ooh, I'm torn between thinking that's really interesting and really, really sad sad.gif. I'm leaning towards sad. But that would be a very interesting plot twist.

QUOTE (paca @ Jun 9 2009, 10:57 PM) *
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )


biggrin.gif biggrin.gif looks awesome! Thanks ^^
amestris_star
QUOTE (paca @ Jun 10 2009, 07:57 AM) *
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )


WHOA! This is even more awesome than the 95 one *__*

Thanks paca!

On the Roy and the Elrics thing... Arakawa will come up with something that none of us predicted... I'm sure of that.
Reta McClain
QUOTE (paca @ Jun 10 2009, 08:57 AM) *
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )


Yay, Ed's face doesn't look weird in this one! laugh.gif Pretty badass preview pic and now I just want MORE.

BTW, has there yet been a theory in which Bradley changes his mind so throughoutly that he turns traitor? tongue.gif I think we're starting to exhaust the rest of the possibilities.
Sensenic
QUOTE (paca @ Jun 10 2009, 07:57 AM) *
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )


Wait...

It says "Chapter 97" in there... blink.gif

A printing error or did some webmaster spoil us the cover 2 chapters in advance? happy.gif;
amestris_star
QUOTE (Sensenic @ Jun 10 2009, 09:17 AM) *
QUOTE (paca @ Jun 10 2009, 07:57 AM) *
PREVIEW PAGE OwO!!! *clickclick*

(doesn't "say" anything about the chapter itself >_>...but it is in color!!! )


Wait...

It says "Chapter 97" in there... blink.gif

A printing error or did some webmaster spoil us the cover 2 chapters in advance? happy.gif;


Oh good Lord you're right! Double chapter maybe? LOL
Michiyo-
That preview page looks awesome. Thanks, paca!

I wonder when we'll get the raw. happy.gif

Wow. It does say chapter 97. Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out, Sensenic!
Sensenic
Title could be (ca'nt be certain about the 2nd kanji, image's too small) "Futari no joketsu" - "The 2 heroines"

Ran Fan? Mei Chang? Winry? Riza?
amestris_star
QUOTE (Sensenic @ Jun 10 2009, 09:35 AM) *
Title could be (ca'nt be certain about the 2nd kanji, image's too small) "Futari no joketsu" - "The 2 heroines"

Ran Fan? Mei Chang? Winry? Riza?


And speculation shall start from here **
Thanks for the info Sensenic!

(Why am I at work, why! I would be stalking 2ch like whoa!)
Reta McClain
QUOTE (Sensenic @ Jun 10 2009, 10:35 AM) *
Title could be (ca'nt be certain about the 2nd kanji, image's too small) "Futari no joketsu" - "The 2 heroines"

Ran Fan? Mei Chang? Winry? Riza?


Izumi?

*cackles*
Sensenic
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 09:42 AM) *
QUOTE (Sensenic @ Jun 10 2009, 10:35 AM) *
Title could be (ca'nt be certain about the 2nd kanji, image's too small) "Futari no joketsu" - "The 2 heroines"

Ran Fan? Mei Chang? Winry? Riza?


Izumi?

*cackles*


Oops, how could I forget...

*gets beaten*

ouch... x_x
penguintruth
Obviously the title refers to Izumi and Olivia.
Reta McClain
Quite obviously it refers to at least Izumi because we've only had her for 2 pages(?) in months (a year?). Olivier would be the cool other heroine but... I think we've had her a bit too much lately for that to be the case ^^''''

Of course I could be wrong.
penguintruth
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 04:08 AM) *
Quite obviously it refers to at least Izumi because we've only had her for 2 pages(?) in months (a year?). Olivier would be the cool other heroine but... I think we've had her a bit too much lately for that to be the case ^^''''

Of course I could be wrong.


Could the other heroine be... Maria Ross?
Reta McClain
QUOTE (penguintruth @ Jun 10 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 04:08 AM) *
Quite obviously it refers to at least Izumi because we've only had her for 2 pages(?) in months (a year?). Olivier would be the cool other heroine but... I think we've had her a bit too much lately for that to be the case ^^''''

Of course I could be wrong.


Could the other heroine be... Maria Ross?


Interesting point, my dear colleague. She could defend the rights of the media heroically!
amestris_star
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 10:24 AM) *
Interesting point, my dear colleague. She could defend the rights of the media heroically!


Considering the amount of awesome women we have in FMA, Ross is certainly one of the candidates... however, I'd go with Izumi and Olivier, with Mei and Ran Fan following close, with Ross as an outsider. Very remote in this case are Riza (who starred in the latest chapters) and Winry...
Causmicfire
QUOTE (penguintruth @ Jun 10 2009, 01:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 04:08 AM) *
Quite obviously it refers to at least Izumi because we've only had her for 2 pages(?) in months (a year?). Olivier would be the cool other heroine but... I think we've had her a bit too much lately for that to be the case ^^''''

Of course I could be wrong.


Could the other heroine be... Maria Ross?


or Mrs. Bradley??? (a longshot)

Though, it would be nice to see RanFan again.

And Mei is headed towards Father...or is supposed to be headed that way.

I'd love to see some Olivier & Izumi teamwork! Gawd, that would be a muscle match fit to go with Sig & Alex's
Aribelle
I hope one of the heroines is Ran Fan, I miss her ;_; and I feel like we don't get to see enough of her in general. My next three picks would be Mei Chen, Olivier, and Izumi...although really, all the women in FMA are pretty awesome, so I think it's gonna be a win-win no matter what happens biggrin.gif lol watch me eat those words come chapter 96 XD

O.o...what if one of them is Rose? I really, sincerely, sincerely doubt it is, but I was running over a list in my head of all the women in FMA and she popped up laugh.gif that would certainly be an unexpected change of events haha.
Chiyo
I'm going to go with Mei and Izumi being the two heroins, but if its Chapter 97 after all we won't know for a little while!

Riza has already had her moment, and I think Ran Fan would be more of a possibility if Greed were going to be a huge part of this battle. Olivier is also a possibility but she's been pretty heroic for a little while. As for it being Winry...maybe...we'll find out soon enough (because if it is chapter 97 they'll probably be revealed at the end of 96)

Also, could we stop with the spam everyone? No more two or three word posts
Kasumisty
PREVIEW PAGES!! Here you go! (Sorry for commentary, I had to... )

Color chapter title page & cover of this month's Shounen Gangan mag:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5315/cover2qxc.jpg Magazine cover
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3329/200906125b.jpg Chapter title page

Actual chapter pages:
Following pages are "Izumi & Sig joins Armstrong & Armstrong"
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/373/78758830.jpg Izumi has bigger sparkles than whole Armstrong family!
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3880/67727238.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3290/86442391.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/997/76317319.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3370/43507973.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2892/25740708.jpg ....wait...YES! POWERS COMBINED!
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5626/34087603.jpg SHIG IS THERE AS WELL XD SLOTH CANNOT STAND THE POWER OF CAPTAIN PLANET...I mean TWO HEROINES AND TWO HEROS
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4646/23463730.jpg Sloth died...

Following pages are "Father vs Hohenheim"
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8176/39779903.jpg ANOTHER LEVEL OF BADASSERY BEGINS
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3194/35464342.jpg READY FIGHT
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5348/99659323.jpg ...wait what...just what have I seen just now (but Hoho's expression is kind of sexy, blah
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/231/32626404.jpg ....NO! ;.; How many lifes do Hohenheim have yet? ;.; He released many of them earlier, right? ;;

===============

OT: PLease do not make post for talking about the following pics on this thread.

PHOTOS OF THIS MONTH GANGAN'S FREE GIFT (FMA pencil case)
pic 1, pic 2, pic 3, pic 4

Any comment on this, please post on FMA merchandise thread.




(Source: Alchemist94 on HagarenBBS...Thank you, Alchemist94!!!!)
AA battery
scans and photos in above post by Alchemist94 from here... (when posting sources, it's even better to add a link to the source.)

Anyhow @_@ hopefully someone will post the full chapter itself later.
Kasumisty
Sorry, I know that. Added the source.
amestris_star
Oh God the epicness! Thanks Kasumisty (and Alchemist94 from the Chinese forums >D)
I hope the full chapter is out later on today ;D
lunneth
more than just human sacrifices? ed, al, hoho, izumi and ? are waist deep in crap now.
bluwim
Thanks a lot for the spoiler images ^^
_Jelly
That was very much worth logging in for. xD


I'm a bit slow with this since I dropped this manga around when they went to Briggs and picked it up within the last few months... So I dont know why there's two Hoho's and who Sloth is and all of this but


IT'S LOOKING SEXY.



Hoho's so cute. =]

Needs moar Hawkeye and Mustang?
Alzea
Uhuhu, thanks for the spoiler pages~
I don't know why but it looks like this chapter came out very fast this month or at leats I feel like that. Well, not really came out but it's still fast I think
Wonder what's with this 97? Two-chapters? God, please yes~!
Awww, Hoho~
So who was right about Olivier and Izumi? Thaey are made of awesomeness, aren't they?
kkg22104
Yay, more spoilers came while I was sleeping! smile.gif Thanks Kasumisty! It looks like this chapter is full of epicness (as usual, it's Arakawa after all tongue.gif)

So the two heroines would have to be Izumi and Olivier, right? It looks like they worked together and even killed Sloth...(should I put that in spoiler tags? Hm, just in case)

And I'm confused about the chapter 97 thing...a typo? unsure.gif
Reta McClain
I feel EXTREMELY smug for being the first person to point out Izumi as one of the two heroines. *evil laughter*

Altho'... I get minus points for dismissing Olivier dry.gif At least at first. Meh.

I bet Sloth was complaining how he was too tired to die. laugh.gif
Kirara
Thanks for the scans Kasumisty smile.gif

Epic chapter is epic but then how could I expect anything less from Arakawa


So I was wrong about Izumi & Olivier's personalities possibly clashing it looks like they will end up forming an awesomly epic friendship. And Arakawa got the Sig/Armstrong friendship like the first anime. That was one moment I did really like in the first anime so I am glad to see those two muscular men form a friendship here as well.

And oh no Hohenheim but I suspected it. I wonder if Ed will be walking in around this moment.


I can't wait to see the rest of the chapter.
kkg22104
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 10 2009, 09:08 AM) *

...And Arakawa got the Sig/Armstrong friendship like the first anime. That was one moment I did really like in the first anime so I am glad to see those two muscular men form a friendship here as well.

And oh no Hohenheim but I suspected it. I wonder if Ed will be walking in around this moment.


I'm pretty sure that friendship was included in the manga as well, though I can't remember which chapter it was in.

Oooh, that would be exciting and suspenseful! ohmy.gif
Reta McClain
QUOTE (kkg22104 @ Jun 10 2009, 04:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 10 2009, 09:08 AM) *

...And Arakawa got the Sig/Armstrong friendship like the first anime. That was one moment I did really like in the first anime so I am glad to see those two muscular men form a friendship here as well.

And oh no Hohenheim but I suspected it. I wonder if Ed will be walking in around this moment.


I'm pretty sure that friendship was included in the manga as well, though I can't remember which chapter it was in.

Oooh, that would be exciting and suspenseful! ohmy.gif


Chapter 28, vol 7 had the same scene as the old anime and they will (hopefully) probably include it this time around too as it's too epic to leave out.
Kyelinn
QUOTE (Kirara @ Jun 10 2009, 08:08 AM) *
Thanks for the scans Kasumisty smile.gif

Epic chapter is epic but then how could I expect anything less from Arakawa


So I was wrong about Izumi & Olivier's personalities possibly clashing it looks like they will end up forming an awesomly epic friendship. And Arakawa got the Sig/Armstrong friendship like the first anime. That was one moment I did really like in the first anime so I am glad to see those two muscular men form a friendship here as well.

And oh no Hohenheim but I suspected it. I wonder if Ed will be walking in around this moment.


I can't wait to see the rest of the chapter.


That part was also included in the manga. wink.gif This chapter looks like it's going to be SOOO epic! I dunno why you guys are using spoiler tags though. o_o Isn't this a spoiler thread? Or not? ^^; Anyway, I looooved seeing Olivier and Izumi working side by side. Those two chicks are the most bad [All hail lord Xenu] in this whole series. And Papa Hoho...nooooo!! Like a poster above said, I'll bet Sloth really WAS complaining how it was too much effort to die. xD ;_; amazing as always. I can't wait for the full chapter! x3
Animeoldtimer
Wow! This page:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/231/32626404.jpg

Reminds me of the Envy/Ed final fight scene in the anime. Also, Father looks agile than usual.
Michiyo-
Thanks for the spoiler pages, Kasumisty!

This chapter looks epic. I can't wait to see the raw. Hopefully we'll get it today.

So, another homunculus is down.. Only 3 left.

I'm still curious about where will Wrath show up.
Kirara
QUOTE (Reta McClain @ Jun 10 2009, 07:18 AM) *
Chapter 28, vol 7 had the same scene as the old anime and they will (hopefully) probably include it this time around too as it's too epic to leave out.



Woops my bad sometimes my memory is faulty obviously (and I am actually re-reading the manga now for the new anime but have not gotten that far yet.) But I should have figured that would have came from Arakawa not the 1st anime team since that is so her touch. But thanks for setting me straight.

Oh and wait now I remember Bradley in a Hawaiian shirt being involved in that scene too. I feel so stupid for forgetting. LOL
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