dragonflame327
Nov 15 2004, 10:14 PM
Yes, there MUST be a continuation series, for like Wrath or soemthing. *is being random* I'll be $10 Wrath shows up in the movie. And I'll bet we can expect the movie subbed.^^ They won't release the movie until the rest of the series is released in the US.
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I say we can expect Mustang back as the bitch we love him as, in the military, as the commander/Fuhrer/whatever it'll be called. That and Hawkeye and him will probably get married, and she'll be right below him in rank, or even better, as his secretary. Personally, the first time I heard Fuhrer I thought of Hitler, though that was probably the point, since y'know, the two sides of the gate seem to run parallel and it's right before WWII in "our side of the gate", so to speak.
Personally, I'd like to meet Rose. Hehehe.
Shakee53
Nov 17 2004, 06:08 PM
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i'll bet you that a lot of the characters at the end of the series will be in the movie. Most definetly Wrath will be in there. But we know that Envy will be in it too trying to find his father, hohenheim of light. And maybe lyla and gluttony because we were purposely not shown what heppened to them in the elevator at the end.
i just got done with the series and i have to say it was awesome. The only part i hate about it is the fact that i have to wait until the movie gets realeased by a fansubb. AAAAAAAHHHHHHH! What am i going to watch now instead?!?
Queen of the dammed
Nov 18 2004, 04:22 AM
WATCH BLEACH!!!!!!!!!XDDDDDDD ICHIGOXRUIKO!!!!!!! XDDDDDD
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Awww.. it's so sweet in the manga that he tries to save her...

Actually, I don't mind about character deaths... (afterall, I am a blood-gore-death-loving psyco...)
Sycia
Nov 18 2004, 04:34 AM
QUOTE(Queen of the dammed @ Nov 18 2004, 09:22 PM)
Actually, I don't mind about character deaths... (afterall, I am a blood-gore-death-loving psyco...)
: ) I think character deaths, if done tastefully, really leaves a lasting impression on anyone watching an anime series. *Hints to Chrno Crusade* :X
Guest
Nov 18 2004, 01:03 PM
I wonder whats going to happenin the movie? Anybody have any thoughts?
yea, i'm already watching Bleach and naruto and read all the manga for both. But i hate waiting every week for an episode or another chapter. Is there a series that is already complete that is worth watching?
I started watching ghost in the shell: stand alone complex and i think its pretty good. Should i watch the rest? And what about ghost in the shell 2:Innocene?
Guest
Nov 23 2004, 11:03 PM
i've heard rumors that after the movie, they will continue the FMA series again, such as a Season 2 or something. can anyone verify this information with me?
or just give me your thoughts about a possible???? Season 2 of fullmetal alchemist.
i hope that they continue the series after the movie. that would be awesome, since fullmetal is just way too good to end.
sasuki_604
Nov 23 2004, 11:23 PM
The ending is so touching!
I wouldn't mind a sequal to this series!
dragonflame327
Nov 24 2004, 11:37 AM
I want a sequel. How Al becomes an alchemist, like Hohenhiem- Hikari no Alphonse, though I admit Hohenhiem's name sounds better. And searches for Edward. A whole series, not just what happens in the movie, make that a seperate story or something. I expected the Philosipher's Stone to look like what they showed Scar imaginatively showing in one of those "if this happened" scenes. Hohenhiem better use a bunch of light alchemy in the manga.
Aqua_Alchemist
Nov 24 2004, 11:44 AM
No sequels, in my opinion, would ruin the feel of the series, turn it into a rip-off series like Dragoball. I'm already disappointed with the series for not ending properly, if it had been less popular it may have done so.
Want more FMA, read the manga
Guest
Nov 29 2004, 02:34 PM
Aqua_Alchemist <- Totally agree with you.
The ending is perfect and it would really spoil the feeling with a sequel.
Reivier
Dec 4 2004, 04:48 PM
Though a sequel would be nice, it would probably end up like one of those shows where in the second season they just make some crappy reasons for that some people didn't really die and come back to life magically or something and continue as if it never ended before. That would be degrading in a way.
ἀρχή
Dec 5 2004, 04:21 PM
I just finished the series. I'd say that as much as I would want a sequel, I don't think it's in the best interest for the original. If there was a sequel, it would have to be done very well for it to have the same impact as the original had for me.
dragonflame327
Dec 5 2004, 08:14 PM
Agreed. *goes on rant about Mustang's and Hughes' bad VAs in the dub*
Lokii
Dec 6 2004, 12:53 AM
Yeah, there's not much else they can do..
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I mean the whole "get AL back into his body thing... It doesn't matter anymore.
A second series would ruin it. They would end up making up some dumb excuse to create a whole other storyline.
xrninja
Dec 6 2004, 01:10 AM
QUOTE(Sycia @ Nov 18 2004, 04:34 AM)
QUOTE(Queen of the dammed @ Nov 18 2004, 09:22 PM)
Actually, I don't mind about character deaths... (afterall, I am a blood-gore-death-loving psyco...)
: ) I think character deaths, if done tastefully, really leaves a lasting impression on anyone watching an anime series. *Hints to Chrno Crusade* :X
oh, i cried buckets at the end of that series. *blows nose*
and i agree that a sequel would sort of ruin it. i think that some things should just be left alone the way they are, FMA post-movie in this case. i mean, what are 5 sequels you can think of that were really just as good as the original or better? if FMA had a sequel, the odds would be against it being as worth watching as FMA was.
hm, but i wouldn't mind a special or something on the roy squad and the military
hagane_no_tokage
Dec 6 2004, 01:39 AM
hey, not all of them are bad... i can't think of 5, but vandread the second stage was quite good, IMO, and gundam SEED destiny is coming along nicely. tho i will agree, with hagaren it just doesn't seem like any good can come from a second season...
but i sure wouldn't mind seeing an OVA or two with some of the scenes from the manga that were left out in the anime... hawkeye was just starved for airtime, don't you think? no story continuation necessary...but i'd love to see in motion some of the scenes the anime forgot...
ἀρχή
Dec 6 2004, 06:05 AM
QUOTE(hagane_no_tokage @ Dec 6 2004, 01:39 AM)
but i sure wouldn't mind seeing an OVA or two with some of the scenes from the manga that were left out in the anime... hawkeye was just starved for airtime, don't you think? no story continuation necessary...but i'd love to see in motion some of the scenes the anime forgot...
That's what they really should do with it. Fill in between the regular storyline of the original series with a few episodes from either the manga or something new.
I don't even think they need a movie, as the ending is quite sufficient for me and left me feeling the way I think I should have felt. In my opinion it was perfect considering this series. But, I'll still watch the movie when it gets fansubed. From what I'm hearing about the storyline it seems like it'll work fine.
dragonflame327
Dec 6 2004, 01:43 PM
Maybe I just don't want FMA to end... And there's been good sequels! Endless Waltz was one, though I heard it was actually its' own series and not just a movie. That true? DBZ sucked right after Frieza...hell it sucked DURING the Frieza fight. I don't even know why I watched the Cell storyline, maybe it was because I liked him. Super Saiyin lost it's kick-ass factor when 50 other people found out they could do it too... I don't know why I watched the Buu saga..so repetetive. A bit of non-"let's train for 10 episodes to beat the newest creature of death" episodes would've done that series some good. I occasionally watch GT on saturdays, since it sits between two shows I like to watch.
OVAs would be nice. Hmm...I wonder, what do you guys think of an OVA that shows a bit of what Hohenhiem went through. While it WOULD kind of take away the feeling of "powerful-alchemist-who-lived-for-400-years-and-has-a-secret-agenda that takes care of only what he desires and nothing else" it'd be interesting, and yes I know, his reasons were explained. I congratulate them on not turning it into one of those "son has to stop evil father/relative from obtaining mass power, world domination, or destroying the world" plots.^^
xrninja
Dec 6 2004, 07:29 PM
hohenheim's interesting, but at the same time a little dull. i'd prefer a few side-episodes on the military people

37 was awesome partially because it focused so much on the gunbu-tachi. i'd like to see more of the goings-on in the office and a lot more screentime for roy/hawkeye hints
Queen of the dammed
Dec 7 2004, 05:34 AM
What I'd like is an OVA based on the manga storyline...LING!!!!!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDDD
Guest
Dec 12 2004, 12:15 PM
i agree with what most people have said,
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sure there is room for a sequel with the open stories such as envy, gluttony and dante, ed studying rocket science and al studying alchemy. maybe we don't know how it'll turn out for all of them, but i dont really want to know. a series about ed trying to get into space? wouldnt really live up to the first series imo...
i think ending a series like that is better than a "everyone lived happily ever after" ending, it's nice to know that they all still have things to pursue.
Fresh_Coffee
Dec 20 2004, 07:57 PM
I thought the ending left a possbile continuation of the series and was meaningful but I felt they tried to cramp too into it. I wouldn't mind them making a OVA or a movie but i'm not to sure about a second season. For now I'm just sticking to the Manga.
cool_cola
Dec 23 2004, 01:38 PM
i just finished watchin the whole series and thinking of reading the manga. and then i just went to this forum to read other's thought of the series. i think that a movie following the series a good idea. it is a cool series and cant wait for the movie and i hope they make season 2 of FMA or a OVA or somthing. this anime is just too good to end like it ended. just my thoughts..
Cloud28
Dec 23 2004, 02:49 PM
nah, i think a 2nd season of fma would ruined it..i mean theres not going to be anything new..
DarkWater Alchemist
Dec 23 2004, 02:50 PM
If a series has a stand-alone finished, round story, sequels or prequels are just not done. So is it for FMA, except that the anime ending had the intention to end with leaving everyone on their hunger ... it's some kind of postponing the real ending, what will happen in the movie... (or maybe not, I don't really know)
We'll see. I felt sad at the ending and wanted to see the movie very badly so I guess it worked.
ἀρχή
Dec 24 2004, 08:49 AM
I didn't even know there was going to be a movie until I came to these forums. So, I was able to accept the ending when I saw it, but of course now, I can't. I must see the movie - damn you people!
cool_cola
Dec 24 2004, 10:24 PM
QUOTE(arche @ Dec 24 2004, 08:49 AM)
I didn't even know there was going to be a movie until I came to these forums. So, I was able to accept the ending when I saw it, but of course now, I can't. I must see the movie - damn you people!
same here too. i thought it will end throughly without problems and all but it turned out to be another sequel or a movie after the series.
Guest
Dec 26 2004, 06:02 AM
Perhaps it would be nice if there would be a season 2 of anime based on the manga totally.
Phoenix_alchemist
Dec 27 2004, 12:02 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing an spinoff comedy series based on FMA ("Flame Alchemist!"), kinda like what they did for the full metal panic series and spinoff.
physics223
Dec 29 2004, 09:55 AM
I just hope that Lust will come back. She has a very human feel, and I hope she's not dead, even though I'm still not sure. Was she sealed? So that means she didn't die, she was only sealed?
I really hope that she'd become human, or if not, because it really isn't possible, at least let the studios tell me in the movie (most probable) or in the sequel (unlikely) ... To think she had the same noble cause. She could be swayed, because she was under Dante's powers. She may be brutal and inhuman , but this is because she isn't human. She realized that she had to help Ed and Al, so she tried to, because she wanted to be, in the end, human.
I felt for her deeply becuause this is what I feel when I don't usually get something I may want, but in truth, you need. What if she was human? Will she help Al (as Ed is in the world like ours) --- I just really hope that BONES will not kill her again or just simply clarify that she's alive, or even better yet, MAKE HER HUMAN and an ally of Ed and Al.
They already killed a lot of good people, most notably Hughes, so I hope that they'd let her be the ally of the Elric bros.
I just feel that her emotion is one if not "the" basic emotions that accompany man.
I hated the ending, and yes, they were so powerful as to want me to watch a sequel if not a movie. When is the fansubbed movie coming out? I want Lust to live... I don't care about the other Homunculi, but I want her to be an ally. Please, BONES...
FullmetalFreek00
Dec 29 2004, 11:22 AM
the suspense is killing me! i hav to kno what happens after the 51st episode...i cant wait for the movie...there r so many possibilities!
Stunna1
Dec 30 2004, 12:16 AM
Yo im kinda new but, ive been questioning the movie.....i saw the trailer and it was good...but what got me confused was that Its said that the movie takes place 2 years after the series right???? then why is AL in his armor suit??? anyone know???
hitokiri
Dec 30 2004, 12:20 AM
um pretty much nobody knows except for bones right now... i don't maybe they messed it all up again.... now that would be hilarious
Brenguy2000
Dec 30 2004, 03:29 AM
QUOTE(physics223 @ Dec 29 2004, 09:55 AM)
They already killed a lot of good people, most notably Hughes, so I hope that they'd let her be the ally of the Elric bros.
I just feel that her emotion is one if not "the" basic emotions that accompany man.
ya Lust was a good character in the end, but she wanted to die! ..I think...lol...In the movie they should make up some special reason for her to have died instead of being sealed to give her honor. I think a 2nd season would probably kill the story line but a movie or a few OAVs to finish it up might work. all we can do is hope
keske
Jan 14 2005, 01:46 AM
This thread contains spoilers. I will not be hung, drawn, or quartered for your reckless curiosity.
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There are several theories pertaining 鋼之鍊金術師's world, and a popularly-held belief is that the world of alchemy is an alternate universe that somehow forked from our world, or one that is related to our world. The basis for this conclusion? We know that Christianity had existed once in the world of alchemy and we are told that the religion has been dead for over 400 years.
But knowing that Christianity has been dead for over 400 years in the world of 鋼之鍊金術師, consider the fact that the Hohenheim and Dante are at least 400 years old. In fact, we know that Hohenheim and Date were persecuted by the Church. Was it coincidence or was there something more to it? Did the creation of the Philosopher's Stone distort what we now believe is real? Could it be that the Philosopher's Stone split reality into two dimensions? After all, why does alchemy exist in one world but the other depends on technology?
Recall the scene with the gate in episode 49. As Ed passes through time and space and goes into "truth vision" mode, we see
lots of images: dinosaurs, World War I blimps, World War II Japanese troops, the detonation of the atom bomb, a United States flag, 天安門/Tiananmen Square, 毛澤東/Mao Zedong, the World Trade Center ruins, scenes from 鋼之鍊金術師 that are out of place, and events that have not even happened yet. According to the subs from Shinsen-Sonchou, Hohenheim says that alchemy is powered by the lives of people from our world (hereafter "real world"). Is it possible that cataclysmic events such as wars, 9/11, the Asian tsunami, and so forth power alchemy, while we depend on raw energy and fuel sources (as automail does not work in the real world)? Is that the truth behind truths?
- Dante and Hohenheim were both in a world which Christianity had still existed, and we are told of witchhunts and some sort of plague.
- The Philosopher's Stone was made by Dante and Hohenheim; soon, Christianity falls out of existence.
- Based on Dante's love letter, it's been over 400 years since the Philosopher's Stone was made, and the world has moved onto some sort of industrial age.
- Within 400 years, Christianity lost its believers, the industrial revolution occurred, and the Philosopher's Stone was created over and over again.
Conclusion: We don't know enough yet. I like to believe that Shambala/Paradise has something to do with this, such as linking the two universes. For one thing, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone requires the ability to use alchemy. But perhaps pre-Philosopher's Stone, people were able to use alchemy in the "real world." Perhaps there was only one world (and thus explains the miracles of Jesus Christ). Perhaps only Dante (or Hohenheim) knows ...
Anyway, I wrote this on cold medicine. I might just be overanalyzing. Excuse the rambling.
Queen of the dammed
Jan 14 2005, 03:40 AM
Ooooh.... that sounds intresting.... Maybe Shambala is another dimension....
Le Monkey
Jan 14 2005, 04:18 AM
and i thaught i read into stufff to mutch!
Wow
Guest
Jan 14 2005, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(keske @ Jan 14 2005, 01:46 AM)
This thread contains spoilers. I will not be hung, drawn, or quartered for your reckless curiosity.
Spoiler: (Click here to Display)
There are several theories pertaining 鋼之鍊金術師's world, and a popularly-held belief is that the world of alchemy is an alternate universe that somehow forked from our world, or one that is related to our world. The basis for this conclusion? We know that Christianity had existed once in the world of alchemy and we are told that the religion has been dead for over 400 years.
But knowing that Christianity has been dead for over 400 years in the world of 鋼之鍊金術師, consider the fact that the Hohenheim and Dante are at least 400 years old. In fact, we know that Hohenheim and Date were persecuted by the Church. Was it coincidence or was there something more to it? Did the creation of the Philosopher's Stone distort what we now believe is real? Could it be that the Philosopher's Stone split reality into two dimensions? After all, why does alchemy exist in one world but the other depends on technology?
Recall the scene with the gate in episode 49. As Ed passes through time and space and goes into "truth vision" mode, we see
lots of images: dinosaurs, World War I blimps, World War II Japanese troops, the detonation of the atom bomb, a United States flag, 天安門/Tiananmen Square, 毛澤東/Mao Zedong, the World Trade Center ruins, scenes from 鋼之鍊金術師 that are out of place, and events that have not even happened yet. According to the subs from Shinsen-Sonchou, Hohenheim says that alchemy is powered by the lives of people from our world (hereafter "real world"). Is it possible that cataclysmic events such as wars, 9/11, the Asian tsunami, and so forth power alchemy, while we depend on raw energy and fuel sources (as automail does not work in the real world)? Is that the truth behind truths?
- Dante and Hohenheim were both in a world which Christianity had still existed, and we are told of witchhunts and some sort of plague.
- The Philosopher's Stone was made by Dante and Hohenheim; soon, Christianity falls out of existence.
- Based on Dante's love letter, it's been over 400 years since the Philosopher's Stone was made, and the world has moved onto some sort of industrial age.
- Within 400 years, Christianity lost its believers, the industrial revolution occurred, and the Philosopher's Stone was created over and over again.
Conclusion: We don't know enough yet. I like to believe that Shambala/Paradise has something to do with this, such as linking the two universes. For one thing, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone requires the ability to use alchemy. But perhaps pre-Philosopher's Stone, people were able to use alchemy in the "real world." Perhaps there was only one world (and thus explains the miracles of Jesus Christ). Perhaps only Dante (or Hohenheim) knows ...
Anyway, I wrote this on cold medicine. I might just be overanalyzing. Excuse the rambling.
wow... you almost read my mind.... but the movie seems to be a filler than events after eps 51... since we seee Ed with his Automail. and Al in his armor form
keske
Jan 14 2005, 02:34 PM
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 14 2005, 01:51 PM)
QUOTE(keske @ Jan 14 2005, 01:46 AM)
This thread contains spoilers. I will not be hung, drawn, or quartered for your reckless curiosity.
Spoiler: (Click here to Display)
There are several theories pertaining 鋼之鍊金術師's world, and a popularly-held belief is that the world of alchemy is an alternate universe that somehow forked from our world, or one that is related to our world. The basis for this conclusion? We know that Christianity had existed once in the world of alchemy and we are told that the religion has been dead for over 400 years.
But knowing that Christianity has been dead for over 400 years in the world of 鋼之鍊金術師, consider the fact that the Hohenheim and Dante are at least 400 years old. In fact, we know that Hohenheim and Date were persecuted by the Church. Was it coincidence or was there something more to it? Did the creation of the Philosopher's Stone distort what we now believe is real? Could it be that the Philosopher's Stone split reality into two dimensions? After all, why does alchemy exist in one world but the other depends on technology?
Recall the scene with the gate in episode 49. As Ed passes through time and space and goes into "truth vision" mode, we see
lots of images: dinosaurs, World War I blimps, World War II Japanese troops, the detonation of the atom bomb, a United States flag, 天安門/Tiananmen Square, 毛澤東/Mao Zedong, the World Trade Center ruins, scenes from 鋼之鍊金術師 that are out of place, and events that have not even happened yet. According to the subs from Shinsen-Sonchou, Hohenheim says that alchemy is powered by the lives of people from our world (hereafter "real world"). Is it possible that cataclysmic events such as wars, 9/11, the Asian tsunami, and so forth power alchemy, while we depend on raw energy and fuel sources (as automail does not work in the real world)? Is that the truth behind truths?
- Dante and Hohenheim were both in a world which Christianity had still existed, and we are told of witchhunts and some sort of plague.
- The Philosopher's Stone was made by Dante and Hohenheim; soon, Christianity falls out of existence.
- Based on Dante's love letter, it's been over 400 years since the Philosopher's Stone was made, and the world has moved onto some sort of industrial age.
- Within 400 years, Christianity lost its believers, the industrial revolution occurred, and the Philosopher's Stone was created over and over again.
Conclusion: We don't know enough yet. I like to believe that Shambala/Paradise has something to do with this, such as linking the two universes. For one thing, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone requires the ability to use alchemy. But perhaps pre-Philosopher's Stone, people were able to use alchemy in the "real world." Perhaps there was only one world (and thus explains the miracles of Jesus Christ). Perhaps only Dante (or Hohenheim) knows ...
Anyway, I wrote this on cold medicine. I might just be overanalyzing. Excuse the rambling.
wow... you almost read my mind.... but the movie seems to be a filler than events after eps 51... since we seee Ed with his Automail. and Al in his armor form
I'm not so sure if it will be a "filler" episode, if what Sycia says is accurate. We see Ed in the poster clad in his Munich clothes, not with his usual red coat. We're also told that they've only just completed the screenplay; the actual animation and voice acting is yet to come. And we're told that the events in the movie are to take place two years after the end of episode 51. But then again, I could be totally wrong.
blueices
Jan 14 2005, 03:03 PM
QUOTE
I like to believe that Shambala/Paradise has something to do with this, such as linking the two universes.
I've had that thought as well...especially since it's shown as an island in the trailer. (Perhaps its the midpoint between both realms where Ed and Al meet once again???)
All in all very good analysis
But, what I've told my self since the beginning of the series is this:
No matter what you guess, to some extent, you're probably wrong.

..(I say the same thing about theorizing what will happen in Harry Potter)
Hopefully the movie will have revelations as amazing as some of the one's you are theorizing....Let's just hope they keep their promise to show us Ed two years later.
Fresh_Coffee
Jan 14 2005, 08:08 PM
Wow I have never even thought about stuff like that. Post more of your theories!
jessin
Jan 15 2005, 03:45 PM
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Incredible theory. I agree with the whole "world splitting up after the creation of the Philospopher's stone" thing. That could explain why we see archaeological evidence all over the world of people who never met attempting alchemy.
I mean just think about it. People were researching alchemy up until Issac Newton's time and the early 1800s (Newton himself dabbled a bit in alchemy and supposedly got mercury poisoning.) The egyptians, too, were looking into it. That's easily over 3,000 years of people who were born at different times, at different places, and all looking for the same exact thing.
maybe alchemy does exist in the "real world" but people have forgotten it. Maybe Ed doesn't have to resort to the whole "space time continum"/ rocket thing.
meh....head hurts....
Guest
Jan 15 2005, 03:50 PM
QUOTE(jessin @ Jan 15 2005, 03:45 PM)
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Incredible theory. I agree with the whole "world splitting up after the creation of the Philospopher's stone" thing. That could explain why we see archaeological evidence all over the world of people who never met attempting alchemy.
I mean just think about it. People were researching alchemy up until Issac Newton's time and the early 1800s (Newton himself dabbled a bit in alchemy and supposedly got mercury poisoning.) The egyptians, too, were looking into it. That's easily over 3,000 years of people who were born at different times, at different places, and all looking for the same exact thing.
maybe alchemy does exist in the "real world" but people have forgotten it. Maybe Ed doesn't have to resort to the whole "space time continum"/ rocket thing.
meh....head hurts....
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Well the thing is.. that alchemy in our world never worked like it did in the series and its not that people have forgoten about it...Chemistry and Physics took over it becuase it was more accurete than alchemy.
jessin
Jan 15 2005, 03:55 PM
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 15 2005, 03:50 PM)
QUOTE(jessin @ Jan 15 2005, 03:45 PM)
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Incredible theory. I agree with the whole "world splitting up after the creation of the Philospopher's stone" thing. That could explain why we see archaeological evidence all over the world of people who never met attempting alchemy.
I mean just think about it. People were researching alchemy up until Issac Newton's time and the early 1800s (Newton himself dabbled a bit in alchemy and supposedly got mercury poisoning.) The egyptians, too, were looking into it. That's easily over 3,000 years of people who were born at different times, at different places, and all looking for the same exact thing.
maybe alchemy does exist in the "real world" but people have forgotten it. Maybe Ed doesn't have to resort to the whole "space time continum"/ rocket thing.
meh....head hurts....
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Well the thing is.. that alchemy in our world never worked like it did in the series and its not that people have forgoten about it...Chemistry and Physics took over it becuase it was more accurete than alchemy.
to make myself clear, i wasn't talking about the present day world now. I was referring to the world on the other side of the gate in the series. sorry if you didn't understand.
but if that world is kinda like our world, then it would have the same history.
Phoenix_alchemist
Jan 15 2005, 06:05 PM
I read somewhere that the two major reasons alchemy in our world was abandoned was:
1. The advent of the scientfic process made thing safer and more accurate
2. The supposed miracle longivity potions (or Philosopher's stones) killed most of the people they were tested on.
Of course, our world didn't have alchemy where you just clap your hands or draw a circle and POOF, somthing else gets created.
jessin
Jan 15 2005, 06:14 PM
QUOTE(Phoenix_alchemist @ Jan 15 2005, 06:05 PM)
I read somewhere that the two major reasons alchemy in our world was abandoned was:
1. The advent of the scientfic process made thing safer and more accurate
2. The supposed miracle longivity potions (or Philosopher's stones) killed most of the people they were tested on.
Of course, our world didn't have alchemy where you just clap your hands or draw a circle and POOF, somthing else gets created.
also, people were burned at the stake by the church.
There is no POOF, but Ed still has a way to get around the laws of science.
I can't wait till I can see this film.
swtdrmzx99x
Jan 15 2005, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(keske @ Jan 14 2005, 01:46 AM)
This thread contains spoilers. I will not be hung, drawn, or quartered for your reckless curiosity.
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There are several theories pertaining 鋼之鍊金術師's world, and a popularly-held belief is that the world of alchemy is an alternate universe that somehow forked from our world, or one that is related to our world. The basis for this conclusion? We know that Christianity had existed once in the world of alchemy and we are told that the religion has been dead for over 400 years.
But knowing that Christianity has been dead for over 400 years in the world of 鋼之鍊金術師, consider the fact that the Hohenheim and Dante are at least 400 years old. In fact, we know that Hohenheim and Date were persecuted by the Church. Was it coincidence or was there something more to it? Did the creation of the Philosopher's Stone distort what we now believe is real? Could it be that the Philosopher's Stone split reality into two dimensions? After all, why does alchemy exist in one world but the other depends on technology?
Recall the scene with the gate in episode 49. As Ed passes through time and space and goes into "truth vision" mode, we see
lots of images: dinosaurs, World War I blimps, World War II Japanese troops, the detonation of the atom bomb, a United States flag, 天安門/Tiananmen Square, 毛澤東/Mao Zedong, the World Trade Center ruins, scenes from 鋼之鍊金術師 that are out of place, and events that have not even happened yet. According to the subs from Shinsen-Sonchou, Hohenheim says that alchemy is powered by the lives of people from our world (hereafter "real world"). Is it possible that cataclysmic events such as wars, 9/11, the Asian tsunami, and so forth power alchemy, while we depend on raw energy and fuel sources (as automail does not work in the real world)? Is that the truth behind truths?
- Dante and Hohenheim were both in a world which Christianity had still existed, and we are told of witchhunts and some sort of plague.
- The Philosopher's Stone was made by Dante and Hohenheim; soon, Christianity falls out of existence.
- Based on Dante's love letter, it's been over 400 years since the Philosopher's Stone was made, and the world has moved onto some sort of industrial age.
- Within 400 years, Christianity lost its believers, the industrial revolution occurred, and the Philosopher's Stone was created over and over again.
Conclusion: We don't know enough yet. I like to believe that Shambala/Paradise has something to do with this, such as linking the two universes. For one thing, the creation of the Philosopher's Stone requires the ability to use alchemy. But perhaps pre-Philosopher's Stone, people were able to use alchemy in the "real world." Perhaps there was only one world (and thus explains the miracles of Jesus Christ). Perhaps only Dante (or Hohenheim) knows ...
Anyway, I wrote this on cold medicine. I might just be overanalyzing. Excuse the rambling.
OUCH! my head... haha, but it makes a lot of sense!
keske
Jan 15 2005, 08:43 PM
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Incredible theory. I agree with the whole "world splitting up after the creation of the Philospopher's stone" thing. That could explain why we see archaeological evidence all over the world of people who never met attempting alchemy.
I mean just think about it. People were researching alchemy up until Issac Newton's time and the early 1800s (Newton himself dabbled a bit in alchemy and supposedly got mercury poisoning.) The egyptians, too, were looking into it. That's easily over 3,000 years of people who were born at different times, at different places, and all looking for the same exact thing.
maybe alchemy does exist in the "real world" but people have forgotten it. Maybe Ed doesn't have to resort to the whole "space time continum"/ rocket thing.
meh....head hurts....
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Well the thing is.. that alchemy in our world never worked like it did in the series and its not that people have forgoten about it...Chemistry and Physics took over it becuase it was more accurete than alchemy.
to make myself clear, i wasn't talking about the present day world now. I was referring to the world on the other side of the gate in the series. sorry if you didn't understand.
but if that world is kinda like our world, then it would have the same history.
What I would like to know from the movie is what the Thule Society, the notorious forerunner of the Nazi party, is doing with Hohenheim. It does make sense, though, since the organization was involved with Nazi mysticism--and in fact alchemy--they would support the genocide of a race (anti-Semiticism) to produce a Philosopher's Stone.
However, a few things make this theory less believable. Ed would have to be at least 30 years old to see the Nazi party involved with their atrocities. Furthermore, alchemy does not work or does not work in the same sense it does in the world of 鋼之鍊金術師. Perhaps "magic" is the so-called polar opposite of alchemy, since "magic" is often considered less accurate and in many cases ignores the principle of equivalent trade.
Jacen
Jan 16 2005, 06:42 PM
my brain hurts

too many theories... that only leaves one question, what is the truth of truths? Nobody may ever find out.
ZeeDeveel
Jan 16 2005, 07:34 PM
[FONT=Arial][COLOR=gray] I love reading these theories. I hope the movie incorporates some of them, and expands upon it. I know it won't be likely anyway, but I'm really hoping they won't make the movie only to satisfy the semi-emptiness lots of people felt after the show ended with the separation of Ed and Al.
I'm hoping for some good storyline.. just like the series had. Eh, two hours to do it, but I hope it turns out great.
But then again.. the movie won't come out in America for another gazillion years.

Maybe I'll go to Japan this summer O_O
Pardon my random, and trailed off thoughts.
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