But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
Full Version: Hohenheim's Connection With The Souls In Him
has anyone ever noticed that in volume 11 on page 128 in chapter 44 Winry notices Eds shoulders and thinks 'When did he get such broad shoulders?', I don't know if this pertains to the disscussion, but i though I should point that out, heck, i don't even know if this means anything.
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
QUOTE(TheWingedAlchemist @ Apr 27 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]536255[/snapback]
has anyone ever noticed that in volume 11 on page 128 in chapter 44 Winry notices Eds shoulders and thinks 'When did he get such broad shoulders?', I don't know if this pertains to the disscussion, but i though I should point that out, heck, i don't even know if this means anything.
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
It just means that Winry is realizing that Ed is growing. He might not be tall for his age but that doesn't mean he looks like a child.
And as for the second part of your post. That is not true at all. Ed was in the hospital for awhile after the 48 and 66 incident. He broke his arm when he was in Gluttony and the only reason he was healed from that was because of Father.
Not to mention Ed does have a scar. Look carefully at the recent manga chapters. He has a scar on the right side of his forehead because he kept getting injured there (Arakawa pays major attention to details).
As for scars and battle wounds phasing him. I am not actually sure how they are supposed to phase him. Is he supposed to stop walking or something? It is just a scar. I mean Roy also has a scar on his hand and he isn't phased either. This doesn't mean the characters are not human.
I also think there has been enough hints to show that Hohenheim was once human. So even if he changed into something else. This does not mean that his genes were changed. Thus I believe 100% that Ed and Al are human.
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has anyone ever noticed that in volume 11 on page 128 in chapter 44 Winry notices Eds shoulders and thinks 'When did he get such broad shoulders?', I don't know if this pertains to the disscussion, but i though I should point that out, heck, i don't even know if this means anything.
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
But i think they're half something else, I mean Ed has had alot of battlescars and has not been phased by then, and when in pain and has o sign of scars on his body!
It just means that Winry is realizing that Ed is growing. He might not be tall for his age but that doesn't mean he looks like a child.
And as for the second part of your post. That is not true at all. Ed was in the hospital for awhile after the 48 and 66 incident. He broke his arm when he was in Gluttony and the only reason he was healed from that was because of Father.
Not to mention Ed does have a scar. Look carefully at the recent manga chapters. He has a scar on the right side of his forehead because he kept getting injured there (Arakawa pays major attention to details).
As for scars and battle wounds phasing him. I am not actually sure how they are supposed to phase him. Is he supposed to stop walking or something? It is just a scar. I mean Roy also has a scar on his hand and he isn't phased either. This doesn't mean the characters are not human.
I also think there has been enough hints to show that Hohenheim was once human. So even if he changed into something else. This does not mean that his genes were changed. Thus I believe 100% that Ed and Al are human.
Yeah, I noticed the scar on Ed and Roy, and marveled once again at Arakawa-sensei's attention to detail.
But I always interpreted the 'his shoulders are broader' thing (it's interpreted as 'back' though in official trans.)
as more like... not only that Winry's noticing him growing, but noticing him as a guy. I don't know about Japan, but in Korea, things like that show up in dramas and whatnot frequently(well, used to, anyways. I don't know about now) the 'broad back' symbolizing dependability and strength in some way. It made more sense to me that way.
ex. guy protects girl from say, a thug. He steps in front of the girl. She blushes, and thinks the guy's back is 'broad'
Okay, so it sounds weird in English. But it sounds okay in Korean. I don't even know if this makes sense to the rest of you out there...
didn't they explain the answer to this in ch 68/69 or something like that 
ya know when Hoho was talking about the past and we had a flashback with little Ed and Al.
ya know when Hoho was talking about the past and we had a flashback with little Ed and Al.
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Hoozah D: I was correct. So does this mean this thread litterally has no more actual meaning since its been explained?
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~Hohenheim's Leaving Theories For Manga, Spoilers if you haven't read the manga or viewed whole series ~
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
I agree with more of you here.
It would be horrible to never age while your family does. An he may have wanted to protect his family from seeing him not age while they do.
Or it could be a completely strange and evil thing. Who knows?
Based on Chapter 68 with the flashback of Hohenheim's leaving, He seems to be going to find a way to stop Father and/or because his conscience was bothering him. He seems a bit remorseful in that chapter, but when he first finds out Trisha is dead, he doesn't get very upset. I wonder if his "condition" is what causes his lack of emotional reaction or something else.
QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ May 2 2006, 10:31 PM)
~Hohenheim's Leaving Theories For Manga, Spoilers if you haven't read the manga or viewed whole series ~
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
personally maybe he did it to drive his son's out so they would find the truth but without endangering their lifes. It seems that Hoho is... pretty mystical... maybe he knows what father has planned and knew the only way to protect his family was to leave or something O___o... I guess will find out soon enough if Arakawa keeps all her chapters up.
QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ May 2 2006, 10:31 PM)
~Hohenheim's Leaving Theories For Manga, Spoilers if you haven't read the manga or viewed whole series ~
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
What do you think will be his explanation for leaving his wife and kids in the manga? Since we learned from Father that he can't die wouldn't you surmise that he wouldn't be deteriorating like in the anime?
Was it for some noble cause? Insanity? Finding a way to make Trisha immortal as well? Digging holes?
What are your theories?
I believe there was something about Hohenheim 'being happy because he almost fufiled his promise' and 'being able to go back'. I thought there was something about Hoho being happy because he almost found a way to be mortal, too, which I believe was a part of the 'Promise' between he and Trisha. If I'm getting my facts mixed up, forgive me, I only got 2 hours and 30 minutes of sleep, and with no coffee. I learned my lesson, I am not partying that late againㅡ_ㅡ;;
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
I have been thinking about this alot since i found out that manga hohenheim is not human.
I do not think hte healing has something to do wiht it, but the irony would
think about how much of hte manga is focused on the definition of "human"
Ed is constantly twisting the definition for his brother's sake
he doesn't kill hte armor killer brothers, he makes a grave for the dead thing that was
suppose to be his mother, the nina incident, etc.
What irony would it be if Ed wasn't human?
Not being human could just mean that he was always good at alchemy, it
could mean that he has no extra powers, but knowing Edward he will
fight just with the fact that he isn't human.
I have been thinking about this alot since i found out that manga hohenheim is not human.
I do not think hte healing has something to do wiht it, but the irony would
think about how much of hte manga is focused on the definition of "human"
Ed is constantly twisting the definition for his brother's sake
he doesn't kill hte armor killer brothers, he makes a grave for the dead thing that was
suppose to be his mother, the nina incident, etc.
What irony would it be if Ed wasn't human?
Not being human could just mean that he was always good at alchemy, it
could mean that he has no extra powers, but knowing Edward he will
fight just with the fact that he isn't human.
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
how do you get from that, that hohenheim is not human? Something changed about his body, but he is still human. He wouldn't have been able to have children if he were not human. He is also saying how even though they have his blood they will still age, and that scared him. Think about having to watch your own children and wife grow old and die and you would still be young and vital, that would suck. So ed and Al are certainly human.
how do you get from that, that hohenheim is not human? Something changed about his body, but he is still human. He wouldn't have been able to have children if he were not human. He is also saying how even though they have his blood they will still age, and that scared him. Think about having to watch your own children and wife grow old and die and you would still be young and vital, that would suck. So ed and Al are certainly human.
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
I think they might be. Only because of Father's amazement he had when he realized that Hohenheim had children. Maybe Hohenheim isn't human? Or is half human?
Wait. If Hohenheim is half human, would that make Ed and Al 1/4th not human?
I'm confused. x-x
But I think something is up.
I think they might be. Only because of Father's amazement he had when he realized that Hohenheim had children. Maybe Hohenheim isn't human? Or is half human?
Wait. If Hohenheim is half human, would that make Ed and Al 1/4th not human?
I'm confused. x-x
But I think something is up.
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
Hohenheim cant be human.
I think you have convinced me that he wasn't born human
but i dont think he was human when ed was born.
He is connected to father, he is immortal, he has souls coming out of his body (i hope this isn't a spoiler)
if anything he is a hommuculus, but i think if he is immortal, not hommuculus immortal, but actually immortal
then he is definetly not human.
So, I still stand by that Ed and/or Al were not born human
or that they will become unhuman, or what ever, like hohenheim (even if it isn't for that same reasons)
a theory, what if that is something ed has to sacrifice to get al's body back? maybe he
has to sacrifice his mortality? I think that is far fetched but it is cool to think about it
(yes i know i am stretching it)
ps. i think it would be cool if ed and al didn't have to use a transmutation circle like father
i know there was something else, but i lost it.
also does anyone know if the series will continue after al gets his body back? or is that the end?
i think it will be the end, but i can hope that it will continue a little bit after he gets his body back
Hohenheim cant be human.
I think you have convinced me that he wasn't born human
but i dont think he was human when ed was born.
He is connected to father, he is immortal, he has souls coming out of his body (i hope this isn't a spoiler)
if anything he is a hommuculus, but i think if he is immortal, not hommuculus immortal, but actually immortal
then he is definetly not human.
So, I still stand by that Ed and/or Al were not born human
or that they will become unhuman, or what ever, like hohenheim (even if it isn't for that same reasons)
a theory, what if that is something ed has to sacrifice to get al's body back? maybe he
has to sacrifice his mortality? I think that is far fetched but it is cool to think about it
(yes i know i am stretching it)
ps. i think it would be cool if ed and al didn't have to use a transmutation circle like father
i know there was something else, but i lost it.
also does anyone know if the series will continue after al gets his body back? or is that the end?
i think it will be the end, but i can hope that it will continue a little bit after he gets his body back
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You can still have the old skin with the Blue theme, too... Yap, we now have choices of forum skins!!
If you like the old Blue themed skin, then go to the Bottom Left of this page, (the very bottom) where it says "Modern," and click on it to get to the drop down menu, then pick Original (FMA Theme), and that will get you back the old Blue skin. ^^
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Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
Umm, I never thought about Ed and Al not being 100% human. I wonder how they would take the news since they both think rather ill of the hommuculi.
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Umm, I never thought about Ed and Al not being 100% human. I wonder how they would take the news since they both think rather ill of the hommuculi.
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Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
I believe because of evindence that both AL and Ed are most likely are Humans. If their dad's body got change due to a unknow reason into something else but he is still has his human genes, which I believe he does since he still looks the same in fifty years, that means they are still humans because of their genes are human.
I believe because of evindence that both AL and Ed are most likely are Humans. If their dad's body got change due to a unknow reason into something else but he is still has his human genes, which I believe he does since he still looks the same in fifty years, that means they are still humans because of their genes are human.
QUOTE(nick fury @ Jul 15 2007, 06:11 PM)
how do you get from that, that hohenheim is not human? Something changed about his body, but he is still human. He wouldn't have been able to have children if he were not human. He is also saying how even though they have his blood they will still age, and that scared him. Think about having to watch your own children and wife grow old and die and you would still be young and vital, that would suck. So ed and Al are certainly human.
You dont necessary have to be Human in order sire offsprings with other humans. Several different stories/anime/manga/etc. have humans breeding with other humanoid species like demons, elves, aliens, and even GODS! Inuyasha is a clear example of a result of a human and demon offspring. Dante from DMC is another example. Anyone remember Hercules? He had a god as one of his parents, being the son of the supreme deity Zeus and a mortal woman. He can still be killed like any other human being. There's also Achilles to look at. Achilles was the son of the mortal Peleus, king of the Myrmidons in Troy and the immortal sea nymph Thetis. When Achilles was born, Thetis tried to make him immortal by dipping him in the river Styx. However, she forgot to wet the heel she held him by, leaving him vulnerable at that spot. They guy was considered half-god too, yet he still ages and was killed when Paris nailed his heel like any normal human. Even Jesus despite being the Son of God is mortal and will age and die like any ordinary human being.
Arakawa did get several inspiration from mythology. Maybe the relationship between Hohenheim and Trisha Elric can be seen paralling a immortal being siring children with a mortal being producing offsprings that seperate them from normal human beings like in the Greek Mythologies. We still havent seen the full extent of Ed and Al's abilities. We'll just have to wait and see.
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
There is no doubt that there can be half human/ gods.
We know that Hohenheim is immortal.
Yet in chapter 73 (spoiler, dont know how to do the blacking thing so watch out!) he is
another human sacrifice.
I think there is something bizarre going on becuase i remeber Father calling him an it and
being surprised that he can have children. I am very confused
I think taht there is something iffy about human sacrifices.
I still think that atleast edward will at one point have to become somethign else
how else can he "beat truth?" no human has done it before and i think that father, the god
or what ever he is, can
There is no doubt that there can be half human/ gods.
We know that Hohenheim is immortal.
Yet in chapter 73 (spoiler, dont know how to do the blacking thing so watch out!) he is
another human sacrifice.
I think there is something bizarre going on becuase i remeber Father calling him an it and
being surprised that he can have children. I am very confused
I think taht there is something iffy about human sacrifices.
I still think that atleast edward will at one point have to become somethign else
how else can he "beat truth?" no human has done it before and i think that father, the god
or what ever he is, can
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
this is sooo comfusing, but I did notice that Ed did heal fast and things... that's just unnatural, but it's really cool! So, I guess, they could just be really healthy 14 & 15 year old boys! But I don't really care, just as long Ed doesn't die!
this is sooo comfusing, but I did notice that Ed did heal fast and things... that's just unnatural, but it's really cool! So, I guess, they could just be really healthy 14 & 15 year old boys! But I don't really care, just as long Ed doesn't die!
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
yeah i agree
Ed has skills
Even before the human transmutation he was able to do alchemy at a very
young age.
I wonder if their father is the philosopher of hte west?
I dont know the scoop with human sacrifices but Hohenheim is not entirely human
He is made out of souls so he atleast has to have some philosopher stone in him.
Oh also really good irony if Ed and al had the philosopher stone running through their veins, just
becuase they are searching for it and they hate it.
I agree, ed dies i will never be able to read another manga again
yeah i agree
Ed has skills
Even before the human transmutation he was able to do alchemy at a very
young age.
I wonder if their father is the philosopher of hte west?
I dont know the scoop with human sacrifices but Hohenheim is not entirely human
He is made out of souls so he atleast has to have some philosopher stone in him.
Oh also really good irony if Ed and al had the philosopher stone running through their veins, just
becuase they are searching for it and they hate it.
I agree, ed dies i will never be able to read another manga again
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
I don't buy it that Hoenheim in necessarily "immortal." Like the Homunculi, I beleive he is only as "immortal" as the number of souls he has IN him (like the incident with Lust.)
It is likely he can be regenerated, but as an entrely different being (like Greed!Ling...)
I don't buy it that Hoenheim in necessarily "immortal." Like the Homunculi, I beleive he is only as "immortal" as the number of souls he has IN him (like the incident with Lust.)
It is likely he can be regenerated, but as an entrely different being (like Greed!Ling...)
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
yeah, i see waht you mean about the souls
but wouldn't that make Hohenheim unhuman if he
has souls in him?
We know that he has souls inside of him becuase he
pulled off his skin and let them leak out
yet he is a human sacrifice
I think there is more to hte question of immortality
becuase greed said to father that " you look alot older" before he died
so we know that father has been aging, and there is that machine
that he is hooked up too
I think Hohenheim is connected to father so that he is the one
that doesn't age
Also if he is human why are all hte animals
acting up around him, i definetly think his connection to father
makes him unhuman
AH! TO CONFUSING! WHY IS HE A HUMAN SACRIFICE?
What do you mean by regenerate into a new being? do you mean Hohenheim can be remade or that
father can be remade?
yeah, i see waht you mean about the souls
but wouldn't that make Hohenheim unhuman if he
has souls in him?
We know that he has souls inside of him becuase he
pulled off his skin and let them leak out
yet he is a human sacrifice
I think there is more to hte question of immortality
becuase greed said to father that " you look alot older" before he died
so we know that father has been aging, and there is that machine
that he is hooked up too
I think Hohenheim is connected to father so that he is the one
that doesn't age
Also if he is human why are all hte animals
acting up around him, i definetly think his connection to father
makes him unhuman
AH! TO CONFUSING! WHY IS HE A HUMAN SACRIFICE?
What do you mean by regenerate into a new being? do you mean Hohenheim can be remade or that
father can be remade?
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
OH MANN... you're right.. i didn't noticed that... good point !but maybe it's jut a coincidence !but you maybe right
OH MANN... you're right.. i didn't noticed that... good point !but maybe it's jut a coincidence !but you maybe right
QUOTE (ExhileVoid @ Jan 17 2007, 01:18 AM)
There's a lot difference I'm seeing between Manga Ed and Anime Ed. Most of us can probably agree that Manga Ed is stronger than his anime counterpart. Hoheinheim in the anime is just a person who's been swapping his soul from bodies to bodies prolonging his life. Manga Hoheinheim on the other hand is NOT human at all. He toke a few bullets in the chest and direct headshot from shotgun without really any scratch or bleeding on his body or face. And then we later found out he might have the same paranormal body composition as Father. Now I'm starting wonder if Ed and Al had inherited any of Hoenheim's super human or other unnatural traits.
I guess one trait Ed and Al might have inherited maybe that their injuries and wounds heal faster than ordinary humans. When Ed fought against the Slicer Brothers, suffered several sword wounds on his body and he was hospitalized for about one day dispite the many times he his wounds openned caused by people angrying him and Armstrong. The next day when they arrived in Rush Valley, when Winry forced Ed to take off his clothes to show off their automail, Ed's sword wounds was pretty much fully healed and there was only a badage patch on his back. When Manga Ed fought against Greed, Ed got clawed in the stomach and suffered bleeding. Greed also commented that ordinary person would have been already taken out by that attack. As the fight went on, Ed was severely battered and beaten against the wall where you can see his blood smeared on the wall down to his neck. Ed showed no signs of weakness or fatigue as he got right back up on his feet and continued to fight. Anime Ed on the other hand was taken out by a single punch from Greed when they first met. Going back to Manga Ed, the next day after the fight with Greed, Ed should have been fighting Lan Fan in Rush Valley still with wounds sustained from his fight with Greed. The weird thing is Ed's claw wounds in his stomach didnt open up during the fight and he showed no signs injuries or weakness besides his damaged automail arm. My guess is Ed's injuries had already fully healed by the time they reached Rush Valley.
As for Al, remember Barry was supposed to be put to death to death 2 years ago in 1912? Well instead of putting him to death, they toke his soul from his body and placed it in an armor. Barry's soul had been seperated from his body for about two years. When Mustang's group encountered Barry's original body, they mentioned Barry's body smelled like it was decaying and rotting. Al had his body seperated from him since 1910 when they tried to revive their mom. When Ed reencountered Al's body at the gate, it wasnt rotting or decaying. Al's body looked really thin like he's been malnurished and his hair had grown really long. Now why would Al's body look like its in a better shape than Barry's if it has been seperated longer from his soul? One possible explaination would be the some kind of special trait Al inherited from Hoenheim.
Here are just some of the possible theories I came with about the Elric Brothers NOT being 100% human since they may have inherited some special traits from Hoenheim's side. Its kind of like how other anime series where a human and a demon (youkai) interbreed resulting a hanyou (half-demon) with the child inheriting some traits from both parents.
I guess one trait Ed and Al might have inherited maybe that their injuries and wounds heal faster than ordinary humans. When Ed fought against the Slicer Brothers, suffered several sword wounds on his body and he was hospitalized for about one day dispite the many times he his wounds openned caused by people angrying him and Armstrong. The next day when they arrived in Rush Valley, when Winry forced Ed to take off his clothes to show off their automail, Ed's sword wounds was pretty much fully healed and there was only a badage patch on his back. When Manga Ed fought against Greed, Ed got clawed in the stomach and suffered bleeding. Greed also commented that ordinary person would have been already taken out by that attack. As the fight went on, Ed was severely battered and beaten against the wall where you can see his blood smeared on the wall down to his neck. Ed showed no signs of weakness or fatigue as he got right back up on his feet and continued to fight. Anime Ed on the other hand was taken out by a single punch from Greed when they first met. Going back to Manga Ed, the next day after the fight with Greed, Ed should have been fighting Lan Fan in Rush Valley still with wounds sustained from his fight with Greed. The weird thing is Ed's claw wounds in his stomach didnt open up during the fight and he showed no signs injuries or weakness besides his damaged automail arm. My guess is Ed's injuries had already fully healed by the time they reached Rush Valley.
As for Al, remember Barry was supposed to be put to death to death 2 years ago in 1912? Well instead of putting him to death, they toke his soul from his body and placed it in an armor. Barry's soul had been seperated from his body for about two years. When Mustang's group encountered Barry's original body, they mentioned Barry's body smelled like it was decaying and rotting. Al had his body seperated from him since 1910 when they tried to revive their mom. When Ed reencountered Al's body at the gate, it wasnt rotting or decaying. Al's body looked really thin like he's been malnurished and his hair had grown really long. Now why would Al's body look like its in a better shape than Barry's if it has been seperated longer from his soul? One possible explaination would be the some kind of special trait Al inherited from Hoenheim.
Here are just some of the possible theories I came with about the Elric Brothers NOT being 100% human since they may have inherited some special traits from Hoenheim's side. Its kind of like how other anime series where a human and a demon (youkai) interbreed resulting a hanyou (half-demon) with the child inheriting some traits from both parents.
Barry's body was rotting because it wasn't getting the nutrition it was supposed to, but Al's body on the other hand, was getting all It's sleep and food from what Ed was having.
Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
Above, the last chapter 76, and below, chapter 29 vol 7 fight with Greed
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Above, the last chapter 76, and below, chapter 29 vol 7 fight with Greed
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Re: Manga Ed And Al Not 100% Human?, Are Ed and Al Half Human and Half Unknown?
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, essa. With Ed's fight with Greed he wasn't completely and utterly impaled by an iron bar like he was in Chapter 76 Back to the original topic on hand, I do believe that both of the brothers are 100% human. Also we now know thatHohenhiem is the Philosopher's Stone which would explain the uncanny traits we've come to discover about this man. Anyway, what are you trying to get at by showing that picture? That both Ed's are coughing up blood? I'm kinda confused...
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, essa. With Ed's fight with Greed he wasn't completely and utterly impaled by an iron bar like he was in Chapter 76 Back to the original topic on hand, I do believe that both of the brothers are 100% human. Also we now know thatHohenhiem is the Philosopher's Stone which would explain the uncanny traits we've come to discover about this man. Anyway, what are you trying to get at by showing that picture? That both Ed's are coughing up blood? I'm kinda confused...
~ Hohenheim's Connection With The Souls In Him ~
I was just thinking of this. How do you think, being that Hohenheim is basically good, he deals with the souls of the Philosopher's Stone inside him? We have seen him let go of some souls when he got shot and he named each one. He does have a connection to them. I think that could explain how odd he acts sometimes. What do you think?
I was just thinking of this. How do you think, being that Hohenheim is basically good, he deals with the souls of the Philosopher's Stone inside him? We have seen him let go of some souls when he got shot and he named each one. He does have a connection to them. I think that could explain how odd he acts sometimes. What do you think?
AnimeOldTimer,
I never truly stopped to ponder that; I am finding what you said you be a rather interesting theory. With the anime aside, I always viewed Hohenheim's characterization in the manga to be almost "surreal" and "other-worldly", and not quite in touch with what we deem reality. At times I see him as fully human, but there have been numerous times throughout the manga where I have viewed Hohenheim to be somewhat of a larger than life entity. (Especially when he survived being shot at countless times during the carriage hijacking in volume twelve.) I firmly agree with you that Hohenheim must have forged at least some type of bond with the souls that he contains inside of his body. I have a feeling that he most likely knew a fair portion of the people that are now reduced to nothing more than souls that literally reside within him. A fair portion of Hohenheim's past is left up to the imagination of the reader, so I like to think that many of these souls were most likely past friends or maybe even previous lovers.
I can not imagine the emotional turmoil and fear that Hohenheim must have went through when he had to face the tragic fact that he was manipulated by Pride, and thus partly responsible for the destruction of the entire city of Xerxes. I wonder if the souls housed in his body fully resented him at first, or if they were even able to communicate with him on any basic level. Are the souls housed in Hohenheim the same as the souls that were housed in the body of the homunculus Envy, who were only able to cry out in agony for the life that they lost, and were almost completely devoid of any human emotion? I am sure that Hohenheim probably felt an insatiable amount of guilt to the towards the people whose lives were snuffed out in an instance. Arakawa never openly states nor tells the reader whether the souls in Hohenheim's body are able to speak to him, but I like to think that they might have the ability to. I wonder if they are like Al's soul, and are able to communicate on a higher level. (Poor Hohenheim. That would be awful if he constantly heard voices play out inside of his head. It would explain his rather odd behavior.) If they are able to communicate with him, I suppose that Hohenheim was sure to listen to back. Seeing as how these people are now part of him, it would only seem logical that Hohenheim would forge a relationship with them over the course of many agonizing years,and get to know the lives and stories of each one of them. Perhaps these souls inside of him serve as a constant reminder to Hohenheim of what he has lost and ultimately sacrificied to order to obtain freedom and knowledge. In a rather sick twist of irony, Hohenheim never received this freedom, because these souls are bound to him. Unlike Greedling!, it doesn't appear as though Hohenheim constantly battles with the souls inside of him.
Now that we know that Hohenheim has the ability to let go of these souls inside of him, why didn't he do it sooner? Are there some souls that he still chooses to keep inside of himself? I wonder if Trisha's promise has anything to do with it.
~I shall cease my ramblings now.
I never truly stopped to ponder that; I am finding what you said you be a rather interesting theory. With the anime aside, I always viewed Hohenheim's characterization in the manga to be almost "surreal" and "other-worldly", and not quite in touch with what we deem reality. At times I see him as fully human, but there have been numerous times throughout the manga where I have viewed Hohenheim to be somewhat of a larger than life entity. (Especially when he survived being shot at countless times during the carriage hijacking in volume twelve.) I firmly agree with you that Hohenheim must have forged at least some type of bond with the souls that he contains inside of his body. I have a feeling that he most likely knew a fair portion of the people that are now reduced to nothing more than souls that literally reside within him. A fair portion of Hohenheim's past is left up to the imagination of the reader, so I like to think that many of these souls were most likely past friends or maybe even previous lovers.
I can not imagine the emotional turmoil and fear that Hohenheim must have went through when he had to face the tragic fact that he was manipulated by Pride, and thus partly responsible for the destruction of the entire city of Xerxes. I wonder if the souls housed in his body fully resented him at first, or if they were even able to communicate with him on any basic level. Are the souls housed in Hohenheim the same as the souls that were housed in the body of the homunculus Envy, who were only able to cry out in agony for the life that they lost, and were almost completely devoid of any human emotion? I am sure that Hohenheim probably felt an insatiable amount of guilt to the towards the people whose lives were snuffed out in an instance. Arakawa never openly states nor tells the reader whether the souls in Hohenheim's body are able to speak to him, but I like to think that they might have the ability to. I wonder if they are like Al's soul, and are able to communicate on a higher level. (Poor Hohenheim. That would be awful if he constantly heard voices play out inside of his head. It would explain his rather odd behavior.) If they are able to communicate with him, I suppose that Hohenheim was sure to listen to back. Seeing as how these people are now part of him, it would only seem logical that Hohenheim would forge a relationship with them over the course of many agonizing years,and get to know the lives and stories of each one of them. Perhaps these souls inside of him serve as a constant reminder to Hohenheim of what he has lost and ultimately sacrificied to order to obtain freedom and knowledge. In a rather sick twist of irony, Hohenheim never received this freedom, because these souls are bound to him. Unlike Greedling!, it doesn't appear as though Hohenheim constantly battles with the souls inside of him.
Now that we know that Hohenheim has the ability to let go of these souls inside of him, why didn't he do it sooner? Are there some souls that he still chooses to keep inside of himself? I wonder if Trisha's promise has anything to do with it.
~I shall cease my ramblings now.
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 09:28 AM)
AnimeOldTimer,
If they are able to communicate with him, I suppose that Hohenheim was sure to listen to back.
If they are able to communicate with him, I suppose that Hohenheim was sure to listen to back.
personally, I think that would drive a person mad. After a while of having that many voices talking to you, you would have to block at least some of them out.
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
AnimeOldTimer,
(...) I have a feeling that he most likely knew a fair portion of the people that are now reduced to nothing more than souls that literally reside within him. A fair portion of Hohenheim's past is left up to the imagination of the reader, so I like to think that many of these souls were most likely past friends or maybe even previous lovers. (...)
(...) I have a feeling that he most likely knew a fair portion of the people that are now reduced to nothing more than souls that literally reside within him. A fair portion of Hohenheim's past is left up to the imagination of the reader, so I like to think that many of these souls were most likely past friends or maybe even previous lovers. (...)
They were past friends... The names he calls before throwing them to the ground are the same as the ones he calls out for after the massacre.
One has to guess it was the people he knew that he was calling out, no?
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
I can not imagine the emotional turmoil and fear that Hohenheim must have went through when he had to face the tragic fact that he was manipulated by Pride, and thus partly responsible for the destruction of the entire city of Xerxes.
Not Pride, it was "Bob"/Homunculus/Father.
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
Are the souls housed in Hohenheim the same as the souls that were housed in the body of the homunculus Envy, who were only able to cry out in agony for the life that they lost, and were almost completely devoid of any human emotion? I am sure that Hohenheim probably felt an insatiable amount of guilt to the towards the people whose lives were snuffed out in an instance.
Devoid of human emotion?
They do seem to feel pain, sadness, fear, madness, relief... to me.
And yes, I guess the souls inside of Hohenheim are the same as the one's inside Envy (or Greed, for that matter, as we have seen them too), because they're all "Philosopher's-Stone'd" souls.
The only difference is that Envy can give them physical (if ever changing) shape.
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
Unlike Greedling!, it doesn't appear as though Hohenheim constantly battles with the souls inside of him.
They are not constantly battling. That was at first, when the souls in the stone fought to take control of Ling's body (and obviously the 2 strongest ones, Ling and Greed, "won", with Ling letting Greed take the upper hand of his own). Now they're just there, waiting to be used as transmutation energy.
QUOTE(Edamame @ May 12 2008, 05:28 PM)
Now that we know that Hohenheim has the ability to let go of these souls inside of him, why didn't he do it sooner? Are there some souls that he still chooses to keep inside of himself? I wonder if Trisha's promise has anything to do with it.
At first he said that he'd take advantage of his immortal body to see the world, so there's one reason for him to not throw them away.
And after he decided he wanted to age and die with Trisha and the kids, he immediately also noticed Father's plans and parted (to fight him I guess), and since he needs his powers for that, throwing them away a wise decision it would not be much.
UWhether they can communicate or not... I believe he can, to some extent, "hear" their agonizing voices, but I don't think he's capable of really communicating with them.
Then again, since as you say Arakawa hasn't stated anything, this is all my own speculation, of course.
U
~ Hohenheim's Connection With The Souls In Him ~
This is a really interesting topic. After reading chapter 83 and seeing that Ling can communicate with Greed, I'd imagine that Hohenheim can communicate with at least some of the souls inside of him, maybe just the stronger ones. I'd imagine that after dealing with them for a couple hundred years you'd be able to tune out the annoying ones. That might be part of the reason he wants to die, lol. If I had voices talking to me all the time I know I'd get annoyed. I don't think any of them would compete with him for control like Ling and Greed seem to do though.
Like I said, this is a really interesting topic that I'd never though about before.
This is a really interesting topic. After reading chapter 83 and seeing that Ling can communicate with Greed, I'd imagine that Hohenheim can communicate with at least some of the souls inside of him, maybe just the stronger ones. I'd imagine that after dealing with them for a couple hundred years you'd be able to tune out the annoying ones. That might be part of the reason he wants to die, lol. If I had voices talking to me all the time I know I'd get annoyed. I don't think any of them would compete with him for control like Ling and Greed seem to do though.
Like I said, this is a really interesting topic that I'd never though about before.
I majored in psychology in college, so I tend to look on the deeper side of the characters and Hohenheim intrigues me. I would also believe the voices would be maddening. He seems to handle it well.
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
Oh this post has spoilers kind of Hi this is my first post and I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet but, Does anyone think that HoenHeim will have Seven Homunculi in the form of the seven heavenly virtues. Chastity, Abstinence,Liberality,Diligence,Patience,Kindness, and Humility. I'm not sure what he was doing in chapter 67 ( the shape of the country) on page 35 and 36. but thats what got me thinking about it, I don't know any thoughts would be great
Oh this post has spoilers kind of Hi this is my first post and I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet but, Does anyone think that HoenHeim will have Seven Homunculi in the form of the seven heavenly virtues. Chastity, Abstinence,Liberality,Diligence,Patience,Kindness, and Humility. I'm not sure what he was doing in chapter 67 ( the shape of the country) on page 35 and 36. but thats what got me thinking about it, I don't know any thoughts would be great
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
well from my point of view i have to say that looks like the souls of the people that hoenheim might have used to maintain his body's apperance.
well from my point of view i have to say that looks like the souls of the people that hoenheim might have used to maintain his body's apperance.
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
huh, I thought it was some big mystery what he was doing. Anyways it's just what got me starting to think about it, because Father dripping blood out of his hand into Ling's mouth created greed again, it was just very familiar. I think it would be cool either way, and would you believe that it's on the same two pages( 35,36) in chapter 54( the fools struggle )
huh, I thought it was some big mystery what he was doing. Anyways it's just what got me starting to think about it, because Father dripping blood out of his hand into Ling's mouth created greed again, it was just very familiar. I think it would be cool either way, and would you believe that it's on the same two pages( 35,36) in chapter 54( the fools struggle )
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
I completely forgot that part of the story. Hoho's obviously creating the counter-circle against Father's plan. But I don't think he's creating Homunculi, good or not. I mean, I don't see any bodies and it's kind of too late to introduce such important players. More like drawing a circle with blood.
Father create homuncli because he's one too and each of ihs sins have a part fo him, his emotions and other characteristics, like being contained by a bottle.
I completely forgot that part of the story. Hoho's obviously creating the counter-circle against Father's plan. But I don't think he's creating Homunculi, good or not. I mean, I don't see any bodies and it's kind of too late to introduce such important players. More like drawing a circle with blood.
Father create homuncli because he's one too and each of ihs sins have a part fo him, his emotions and other characteristics, like being contained by a bottle.
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
Yeah I guess you're right, but how do you know it's late in the game?, is there a set number of chapters already in place ?
Yeah I guess you're right, but how do you know it's late in the game?, is there a set number of chapters already in place ?
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
No, there isn't. It's just a feeling that comes with every new chapter recently. Now we know all the homunculi, Father, and what their plan is. We know what Maes discovered and history of Xerxes and Ishbal. Father's circle is complete, four alchemists and at least two sacrifices discovered. All characters old and new, going to the gathering place now. The promised day with the eclipse is going to start any minute now as kids prepare to watch it. Al's body is rejecting him more often now and he's not going to stay the way he is now much longer. Mustang made his move, and all of his friends are with him, Olivia made his move, the army unleashed zombies, Father revealed himself and currently looks constipated doing something gruesome. Oh, and a new manga-based anime is going to start in April.
I just can't imagine, I don't know, Ed's group fighting zombies, Al fighting Pride inside his body, Father fighting Hoho, Roy and Olivia fighting army, and ta-dam! another set of Homunculi appear and save the day when our old heroes are capable of doing it themselves.
No, there isn't. It's just a feeling that comes with every new chapter recently. Now we know all the homunculi, Father, and what their plan is. We know what Maes discovered and history of Xerxes and Ishbal. Father's circle is complete, four alchemists and at least two sacrifices discovered. All characters old and new, going to the gathering place now. The promised day with the eclipse is going to start any minute now as kids prepare to watch it. Al's body is rejecting him more often now and he's not going to stay the way he is now much longer. Mustang made his move, and all of his friends are with him, Olivia made his move, the army unleashed zombies, Father revealed himself and currently looks constipated doing something gruesome. Oh, and a new manga-based anime is going to start in April.
I just can't imagine, I don't know, Ed's group fighting zombies, Al fighting Pride inside his body, Father fighting Hoho, Roy and Olivia fighting army, and ta-dam! another set of Homunculi appear and save the day when our old heroes are capable of doing it themselves.
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
That sums it all up pretty neatly, well ya convinced me ha
That sums it all up pretty neatly, well ya convinced me ha
QUOTE (FullTylerStarke @ Dec 22 2008, 04:20 AM)
~ Hoenheim Seven Virtues, what if ~
Oh this post has spoilers kind of Hi this is my first post and I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet but, Does anyone think that HoenHeim will have Seven Homunculi in the form of the seven heavenly virtues. Chastity, Abstinence,Liberality,Diligence,Patience,Kindness, and Humility. I'm not sure what he was doing in chapter 67 ( the shape of the country) on page 35 and 36. but thats what got me thinking about it, I don't know any thoughts would be great
Oh this post has spoilers kind of Hi this is my first post and I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet but, Does anyone think that HoenHeim will have Seven Homunculi in the form of the seven heavenly virtues. Chastity, Abstinence,Liberality,Diligence,Patience,Kindness, and Humility. I'm not sure what he was doing in chapter 67 ( the shape of the country) on page 35 and 36. but thats what got me thinking about it, I don't know any thoughts would be great
this isn't a bad theory.
QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ May 12 2008, 10:05 AM)
~ Hohenheim's Connection With The Souls In Him ~
I was just thinking of this. How do you think, being that Hohenheim is basically good, he deals with the souls of the Philosopher's Stone inside him? We have seen him let go of some souls when he got shot and he named each one. He does have a connection to them. I think that could explain how odd he acts sometimes. What do you think?
I was just thinking of this. How do you think, being that Hohenheim is basically good, he deals with the souls of the Philosopher's Stone inside him? We have seen him let go of some souls when he got shot and he named each one. He does have a connection to them. I think that could explain how odd he acts sometimes. What do you think?
I think Hoenhime can hear them, wasn't there that bit in the manga, after Honehime has been transmuted a long with father, that father told him to be quiet and listen or something, and then Hoenhime could hear lots of whispers (a bit like the words that the souls in envy said) and then he collapsed on his knees and screamed in madness? im sure i remember something like that happening. At first it probably drove him mad, but he probably just got used to it over time and accepted it as a punishment.
@Forsaken Love - I agree. And, with the recent event in the chapter 97, I think this is becoming an important point, and I applaud Animeoldtimer's foresight of focusing on this a year ago. ^^
If not minding getting spoiled, then I recommend checking out Rubyman's post about Hohenheim having communications with souls within him on "chapter 97 content discussion" thread.
If not minding getting spoiled, then I recommend checking out Rubyman's post about Hohenheim having communications with souls within him on "chapter 97 content discussion" thread.
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