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Funkyduck
I was curious as to what people hate about yaoi, even if they're fans of it. If you hate everything about yaoi (like me), post what you hate the most about it.
I personally hate that people jump to conclusions about these sort of things. I mean, can't two characters of the same gender be friends or show kindness towards each other without being made into a yaoi couple? Like Roy and Hughes are friends, but that doesn't mean they love each other. Same with Winry and Sciezka. Ed and Al show kindness towards each other, but their love is only brotherly. Sheesh!
Havanese
I don't like the yaoi fans who are in denial and think their OTPs are canon, even when it's obvious that they are not... but I feel this way when it comes all pairings, not just yaoi. And, honestly, I don't come across those fans very often. Most of the Roy/Ed, Hughes/Roy, Winry/Sheska and Elricest fans respect the canon couplings and know that their OTP has no chance of happening.

Liking a yaoi or yuri pairing is not necessarily "jumping to conclusions." There are a lot of yaoi and yuri couples I like, but not because I think the characters are gay. I like them because I like the characters as a couple. happy.gif
Popogeejo
Wouldn't this be better placed in the general anime board or is it just FMA that has Yaoi pairings now?

As for the subject: lol, fans.

To add to that: Fans aren't yaoi. Grow up.
Tris the Reaper
Yeah, this should really be in general anime.

As for my opinion...bah, I've exhausted my opinion enough, but in short - everything. The end :>
Havanese
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Feb 27 2008, 06:47 PM) *
Wouldn't this be better placed in the general anime board or is it just FMA that has Yaoi pairings now?

As for the subject: lol, fans.

To add to that: Fans aren't yaoi. Grow up.

You're right, they aren't... Sorry if I went off-topic... sad.gif
Tombow
Ok then, I'm moving this to the General Anime forum. Let's see how it goes there. smile.gif
Popogeejo
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You're right, they aren't... Sorry if I went off-topic...

Don't worry, you were just following the thread starter.
Nekokitty
Really, I hate the fans more. Especially the rabid ones who immediately hate the lead female because supposdly she "gets in the way" of their OTP.

Edit: I also hate the ones who make characters like Edward, weak, helpless, spineless "ukes". Plus I also hate the uke/seme titles when they're used seriously, not jokingly.

Plus most of the actual yaoi manga out there is pretty boring, too much flat characterization and uninteresting storylines.
Omamori
Yeah...concerning yaoi, not only do I not support it, but the fans really, really bug me. Especially with their yaoi/yuri fanart and fanfics that are just far too sensual. Rather disguisting and irritating in my lone opinion.

Another thing that irritates me is that, they see nothing wrong with it. Gah. I go on to DeviantArt to browse some 'Death Note' fanart with my 'mature content' filter on and a lot of the pictures I wind up finding are LxLight fluff! Grah! Talk about wanting to scratch my eyeballs out...sleep.gif;
Popogeejo
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Another thing that irritates me is that, they see nothing wrong with it

There isn't anything wrong with it though. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.
Omamori
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Feb 28 2008, 09:13 AM) *
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Another thing that irritates me is that, they see nothing wrong with it

There isn't anything wrong with it though. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.


Hmm...good point. Still, it would be nice if they put 'mature content' labels on their sensual artwork (which they don't. Ergh).
Popogeejo
It's not "mature content" though.
Toby-Chan
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Feb 27 2008, 06:47 PM) *
To add to that: Fans aren't yaoi. Grow up.



A worthy point, but to bring up fans in the case of yaoi-related annoyances is a legitimate concern. As with any hobby, to be in poor company can dampen the enjoyment of something. But more closely related to yaoi (and fandom in general) is to take note that the fans frequently directly relate to the content of te majority of yaoi, not just indirectly by their demand for it, but because frequently, the fans are also creators. It is not only the view of Seme/Uke stereotypes and senseless slashing that fans squeal about amongst themselves, but the fact that this mindset directly correlates to a higher majority of the works containing such things, thus making it more difficult for a fan who dislikes those elements to find such works.

Indeed, the quality of any fanwork correlates directly to its intended audience and the fan who creates it. (This counts also in original yaoi fiction/manga/etc. Original series have fans who influence the story with their demand and are created by fans of the genre.) There is a great deal of tripe that is published in the classification of yaoi/BL/shonen-ai/whatever-term-is-now-appropriate -but-in-two-years-will-likely-be-a-purported-japanese-euphemism-for-shota.

Much like fanworks in general, or even anime in general, there will always be tons of utter crap and there will always be annoying fans who eat it up and adore it. And there will always be elitist fans who claim to hate the genre for it but secretly drool over their super-classy underground titles, and quiet fans who enjoy things that are not in accordance with the larger interests of the fan populous. And there will always be haters who (with almost suspicious obsession) badmouth the entire genre based on 'moral' reasons, a few annoying examples they have experienced, desire to establish themselves in an 'us versus them' dynamic for something, and often (I've found) an extreme fear of being publicly associated with anything to do with liking the thing they are bashing.

Vocal anime haters are often preoccupied with letting everyone know that they have better taste than all those trendwhoring idiotic weaboo anime fans. (Seen this too often in a "oh look at me, I'm better than you because I'm cultured and read difficult novels and obscure western comics and watch advanced classical movies unlike those illiterate anime dorks who obviously don't read any of these things because they all just like Naruto" sense.) Fanwork haters become fixated on establishing themselves as creative original authors/artists and establish a holier-than-thou viewpoint on those who make derivative works. (Though they oddly don't seem to think poorly of published authors who make and profit off of successful derivative works, such as "Wicked") Yaoi haters want to separate themselves from the annoying majority of yaoi fans as well as make it very very (very very very very) clear that they are NOT GAY AND DON'T LIKE ANY GAY STUFF HOMG! (This is closely related to the "Hey, I like gays and support gay rights; I just think it's vile and disgusting to look at and it is a total disrespect to fictional characters to portray them as filthy gays, now if you'll excuse me, I have some out-of-character degrading hentai to look through." view)



In the fanworks branch of yaoi, I personally find that it is much easier to find well balanced, developed, romantic and aesthetically pleasing fanworks for yaoi than for heterosexual relationships. But this is also all very dependent on where one searches. I may have simply overlooked some of the most amazing fanfiction/doujinshi/fanart ever and not known it.

I adore many male/female pairings and find them just as sweet/compelling/hot/whathaveyou, but they're often either hard to find (of rare pairings) or overloaded with boring repetitive stories/art of popular pairings. Of the popular pairings, it seems that fanworks are often uninteresting fluff, or tasteless hentai. Yaoi fandom, while also most definitely full of the afformentioned crap, seems to have a devoted cluster in the fandom of fans and creators who are more focused on finding an artful balance to tell their stories with. I really wish I could find Male/Female (or even more rarely, Female/Female) doujinshi with the high artistry level of IDEA, Mechano, CCC, K2 or Rock'n'dolless, but it just doesn't seem to be a perogative of enough fans to find or create such works.


What do I hate about yaoi? That the influence of its high-brow creators doesn't seem to extend into the Yuri and Het fandoms. That makes me a sad panda.
Chiyo
I can't really add very much as Toby's post was so thorough, but I can say what I hate and its actually the fans as Neko said.

I believe pairings should have some acceptability, or at least a fan should be able to argue reasons for the pairing. In too many cases, male/male pairings are created for the simple fact the fangirls find it hot. In some cases they even change character's characteristics to suit their pairing (though this can be said for any type of pairing really). Yaoi that's believable is easier to accept, instead of 'bt dey smexy tgeva'.

It is not my taste, but I have nothing against it, some yaoi artwork is the best fanart I have ever seen.
Little Washu
I hate the pairings that make no sense. Like people who hate each other, or ones who have spoke a full 20 sentences to each other through a 300 episode series, and most of them were insults or something. Trust me, I could name quite a few.
Cait the Cat
QUOTE(Little Washu @ Feb 29 2008, 11:51 AM) *
I hate the pairings that make no sense. Like people who hate each other, or ones who have spoke a full 20 sentences to each other through a 300 episode series, and most of them were insults or something. Trust me, I could name quite a few.


Agreed. I dislike pairings like NarutoxSasuke but don't mind something like NarutoxSakura. Seeing it makes more sense. Also, I just dislike yaoi/yuri in general unless its canon or not even anime/anything-else-media related.
WeiS Blitz
Well, at current Yaoi means 'male on male porn'.

Porn is porn. It's not supposed to be highbrow, or sophisticated. It's not supposed to appeal to everyone. It's just... porn. If you don't like yaoi, just don't read/watch/view it and go find what you DO like. Same goes for specific kinks, pairings, settings, whatever.

People wouldn't write pairings if they were universally disliked. There'd be no one to want to write them.

No single individual's opinion is valued above another's. Just because you as an individual do not like something does not make it bad.




This is not to say that I disagree with this entire topic. I just think it's funny that, instead of posting why THEY dislike yaoi, some repliers are posting why people shouldn't MAKE it or POST it.

I'm going back in my box now, mkay?
Hanekko
Heh, well, even though my obsession is currently a yaoi pairing, there are things I hate about it. Though it's all to do with the fans.

Well, there are those fangirls that pair two characters for the sole reason of "they're hot and would make hot sex"; Most of the time, those characters together make no sense. Take... hmm. Kyouya and Hikaru from Ouran High School Host club for an example. That just makes no sense. I only don't mind if it's a joke or a curious experiment; if they're being serious, then I usually go "wtf".

Then there's changing the character's personality in fanworks completely in a pairing; For example, the pairing of Sasori and Deidara in Naruto... Hmm, it's not that I don't like the pairing that I'm saying something negative about it; the pairing's actually my top obsession but... Seriously, Deidara isn't a "OMG DANNA ILUUUUUUUU, UN *glomp glomp glomp, un* DON'T LEAVE ME ALL ALOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, UN" type of person. From what I've read in the manga he's more of a "haha. *pisses Sasori off* I told you it'd make you mad. *some teasing*" or something along the lines of that. He's certainly not sugary from what the manga's shown. I doubt he's sugary in the Anime either.

And... there's also the fans that think their yaoi pairing is canon when it's far too obviously not. "OMG SASORI X SASUKE IS CANON" yah, right, they've never even met. I don't mind it as a joke but I do mind if they're being serious because it means that they most likely have problems. I've met someone who went all... "SASORI X SASUKE IS FAR MORE CANON THAN DEIDARA X TOBI" ... I seriously went wtf. SasuSaku's far more likely to happen that than.

Then there's the seme/uke stereotype. Okay it's funny when you switch things around as crack but in a serious term: NO, JUST NO. Okay, let's go turn... uhhh... *find some characters in some manga books* Ah... Iono, but say that this one character's a seme-ish person and the other person is just a little less seme-ish. A fangirl comes in. Bam, the less seme-ish person is turned into... "OH WAAAAAAAAAAAH DON'T LEAVE ME *CRIES AND PULLS THE OTHER PERSON'S SHIRT OFF*"

Honestly, I just like any pairing as long as it makes sense and such. Doesn't matter to me, wether it's yaoi, yuri, or het~
Fushi
QUOTE(Funkyduck @ Feb 18 2008, 06:41 PM) *
I personally hate that people jump to conclusions about these sort of things. I mean, can't two characters of the same gender be friends or show kindness towards each other without being made into a yaoi couple? Like Roy and Hughes are friends, but that doesn't mean they love each other.

Funny, because the reason I support that pairing is because I love the idea of them ONCE having a relationship and then coming out of it just friends, as it it made their friendship stronger rather than destroying it. It's an admiral idea.

Btw don't confuse "jumping to conclusions" with "thinking outside the box" I bet you didn't even stop for a minute to consider that us Hyuroi supporters usually support the pairing as a PRE-MARRIAGE one did you? While I do get your point about why can't friends just be friends, let me ask you something. What about friends in real life? Don't a lot of people that get together start out as friends first? Why can't they just stay friends? If two characters have a good dynamic and look like they could get along romantically, then fans can pair them up as they please. Friends get together in real life all the time, why can't they in slash?

Also, I turn this around: why can't Edward and Winry just stay friends? What makes them so meant to be? (excluding the manga here for a second, let's just look at the anime) All I see are a pair of very close friends. I mean, can't two characters of the oppsite gender be friends or show kindness towards each other without being made into a het couple?
Now I'm not saying it's wrong to like Edwin I'm just saying you should apply your own logic to straight pairings as well. (I do think Al is a better match for Winry tho btw, their personalities work better together imo)



Now then, what do I dislike about yaoi? Many things really. I dislike fans who never put any real effort into making a pairing work, or into making a fanfic well written, or get out of character for the sake of sex. I hate it when people try to shove a pairing down my throat as canon or get all nazi-ish.

BUT, I hate this about yuri and het too. So really, I hate all of this in fandom in general. And it DOES happen in het fanfiction and yuri fanfiction. Het isn't as allmighty good and pure as some het lovers like to think it is, and yaoi isn't the evil to end all evils.


The only things I hate exclusive to yaoi are when the uke/seme thing gets taken too seriously, and the hate yaoi breeds. it's gets annoying having to defend it all the time. :/
Toby-Chan
QUOTE(WeiS Blitz @ Mar 2 2008, 04:00 PM) *
Well, at current Yaoi means 'male on male porn'.

Porn is porn. It's not supposed to be highbrow, or sophisticated. It's not supposed to appeal to everyone. It's just... porn. If you don't like yaoi, just don't read/watch/view it and go find what you DO like. Same goes for specific kinks, pairings, settings, whatever.



This is a considerable point, but there is something to be said about slang (especially fandom slang) evolving new meanings, and in the case of yaoi (Which is originally intended to imply 'pointless porn') it has developed into a catch-all for "Slash" (which also has multiple fandom meanings depending on who you talk to), and that is the context in which it is being discussed here. Lest this be confused, this catch-all meaning for both "Slash" and "Yaoi" would be "Fictional works involving or focusing on homosexual relationships between male characters."

Considering this is a PG-13 public forum, discussing pornography in detail is obviously a subject to be skirted around. There's also the point to put into consideration that what one person considers pornographic could be completely acceptable and non-pornographic to another person. Much of what some yaoi fans would consider to be explicit fan material (whether in fanfic or doujinshi) could easily be published as acceptable content in a mainstream novel, or marked as a "16+" rated manga/comic. Much in the way most romance novels can be considered pornography for a predominantly female audience, they still also categorize (in a broad sense) as non-pornographic literature for the fact that they also focus on plots, relationship development and other aspects besides explicit scenes of sexual activity. (This is certainly not commentary on the literary value of romance/erotic novels, nor of yaoi; just a note of reminder that both of those tend to fall in the middle grounds between romance, erotica and pornography, and as such can also be in some cases, tasteful or artistic outside of their explicit nature.)


Summing up points: 1)In the case of this discussion, yaoi = Male/Male relationships, not necessarily porn. 2)Peoples' definitions and expectations of what they consider pornography differ. 3) Explicit material isn't necessarily artisically void. 4) Some people take things too seriously.


In my case, I prefer tasteful fanworks not because I feel like being high and mighty about something so 'pointless', but mostly because when even 'pointless yaoi' doesn't have some thought and care put into its execution, it comes off as gross, tacky and unenjoyable. Also because I just like looking at well done, pretty or interesting art. Personal preference.
edxwinryfan
I hate that people pair up characters that are straight! Such as Roy and Ed from FMA (they kind of hate each other and Roy is like 15 years older then Ed) Also Ed and Al as a paring shock.gif THEY ARE BROTHERS PEOPLE!! (they only love each other as brothers not in a romantic way,cause Ed loves Winry biggrin.gif
Dead-Poet
QUOTE (edxwinryfan @ Dec 15 2008, 01:06 AM) *
I hate that people pair up characters that are straight! Such as Roy and Ed from FMA (they kind of hate each other and Roy is like 15 years older then Ed) Also Ed and Al as a paring shock.gif THEY ARE BROTHERS PEOPLE!! (they only love each other as brothers not in a romantic way,cause Ed loves Winry biggrin.gif


I see the age gap as another hurdle they have to jump. biggrin.gif Plus, Ed is always going on about how he's an adult, right? As for the Elricest, some people could see that kind of devotion to each other as something more than familial love. biggrin.gif

Personally, I think both pairing are funny. tongue.gif

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What I hate about Yaoi is the image they give the uke. The uke is always a feminine guy and when they end up doing the deed, he acts like a girl there too! I haven't seen a decent doujin or manga that has a muscular uke that doesn't look off.
Saving_Grace
Well, looking at yaoi from the non-porn point of view, I can't stand the OOC-ness of the majority of the pairings and the terrible, terrible fanfiction, which I suppose is just as rampant in het pairings, but seeing as how they're not the point of dicussion...

The thing that most yaoi fanfic authors do which p*sses me off is they just start off their story like the characters have always been gay, when most of the time every single piece of evidence points towards to them being straight. Now, occasionally I can believe the "always been gay" thing if it's one-sided or a drabble/one-shot, but normally? Please. For example, we'll go with Roy/Ed, these are two straight guys, so an author has to really try and sell it in order for me to believe that our boys are that way inclined. A lot of character development would have to happen first and so far I've yet to find any story where the author has bothered (I'm sure there is one somewhere, I just don't care enough to go hunting through the slosh-piles in order to find it).

Keeping with Roy/Ed, the age gap doesn't bother me. People fall in love with older/younger people all the time, and Ed's not exactly a child. If you want to be technical about it, he's around the age of consent anyway, depending on where one comes from.
Prince the Ripper
Well me being a Yaoi fan, I can definately say sometimes that I hate, like others have pointed out, the pairings of characters that don't go together.

Like...I'll use the series Katekyo Hitman Reborn for an example. The series is basically a yaoi fangirl's paradise seeing as you can pair up nearly every guy with another one, but majority of the pairings named don't go together. Some examples being: RyoheixHibari, HibarixYamamoto, GokuderaxYamamoto, ShamalxGokudera and so on. Some reasons for me seeing them NOT go together...Hibari and Ryohei don't really interact much, Hibari and Yamamoto rarely interact and Gokudera hates Yamamoto...and Shamal's older than Gokudera >_<

But aside from that problem...I can't really say I have anything to hate about yaoi =/
Maphisto40
I really enjoy yaoi, but I hate badly written fanfiction that reflects poorly on the rest of the genre. I mean the ones that have a plot (or lack thereof) like a bad 70's porno. dry.gif

I also don't much like putting two straight characters together, but I have no problem with the people who do, unless they're rabid about it. I much prefer canon yaoi. biggrin.gif
Rainshine
oops... I clicked the wrong poll button. *head/desk*

I don't like the really weird pairings, because some of them are just kind of.... wrong.

Like those edxal ones... *shudder*

I don't really have that much against yaoi.. except that.


Blysse
Weird pairings. Worst example I've ever seen?

ArmstrongxScar sad.gif That one hurt my brain...
Rainshine
Wow. I though that it was impossible to find a pairing worse then EdXAl, but you, my friend, have found the impossible. mellow.gif
Blysse
I wish there was a prize for that... like being able to erase the memory of that fanfic. >_>
Artixte
I don't like the weird parings either, but you know, pairings like EdxHoho scares me more than ScarxArmstrong...I think, maybe they're tied. Eh, but Elricest doesn't seem that gross to me anymore, I got used to it and now I think it's cute smile.gif
Rainshine
Maybe I'll build up an immunity to really weird pairings...
Artixte
I can feel it already, I've seen so many totally wrong ones, but I've gotten used to most of them over the years O_o
Rainshine
o_O Wow.
I've seen some really weird ones too... like edxalxhoho
*shudders*
Blysse
Anything with Hohenheim freaks me out. Yaoi or not. O_o Even Hoho/Trisha squicks me. >_<

Another f%$#&*d up pairing?

Armstrong/Fuery >_< I. Have. Seen. It. *Sob*
Rainshine
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Even Hoho/Trisha squicks me. >_<

Don't worry... you're not alone.
I think that's (edxalxhoho) the most messed up pairing I've seen so far.
If I find another one, I will post it here, and then go into therapy. >___>
Artixte
How about GreedxAlphonse Yaoi? It's a pretty weird yaoi pairing...but in a weird way, I like it a little... I not sure if it's some part of yaoi I'd hate since I don't think it's weird...But maybe I don't think it's weird because Alphonse looks so cute.

A pretty cute one, well Al looks adorable.

Greed looks rather...?

Sitting on papa's lap O_o Not explicit, don't worry. It's quite fine, Greed's face just creeps me out.

Now, what's really creepy is ArmstrongxAlphonse(in his suit of armor form) I haven't found any yet to show, but I think I vaguely remember seeing it.
Rainshine
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Now, what's really creepy is ArmstrongxAlphonse(in his suit of armor form) I haven't found any yet to show, but I think I vaguely remember seeing it.


ArmstrongxAlphonse?? *goes into a corner and vomits internal organs*


Eeew...

Yeah, AlphonsexGreed is kinda weird, but the last picture is sorta cute. It just looks like Greed is his Dad or something.
Popogeejo
If you're just going to make up bizarre FMA yaoi pairings then go here;
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...p?showtopic=523 (Homogay parings)
or
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...showtopic=11263 (Incest)
or
http://www.fullmetal-alchemist.com/forums/...showtopic=11951 (crack pairings)
Artixte
Thank you.
Rainshine
Wow... Thanks! tongue.gif
Forgiven
I hate everything about it. Especially the fans. They take it to seriously. And it's weird.
I-luv-FMA
WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT YAOI PAIRINGS IN ANY MANGA/ANIME SERIES?!!! It's the thing that ruins everything for all the fans that don't want yaoi!! *blabs on furiously*
KenRik
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. THE QUEER PAIRINGS. GAY. (not that I have a problem about gay couples*in the real world*- tch, mind you, it's different.) IT'S JUST THAT I HATE THE ANNOYING KYAA-ing FANGIRLS WITH THEIR PICTURES WITH THEIR DOUJINSHIS AND THEIR SCREAMING AND GIGGLING.

O.O especially when in an anime/manga there's an obvious canon pairing but still, they want him to end up with another him. HIMxHIM 4LIFE?! WTF?! What's up with that?! Please, if you want people like me to stop flaming about this, minimize your pictures. no seriously. -.- especially if you want to post a HUGE bunch of them up. it's an eyesore. thnks.

So... thats why I hate yaoi. and maybe yuri. it's gross. and weird. and... very much uncalled for.

<( -.- )> <<---that's me, closing my eyes, very much afraid yaoi fans would poke them.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, it's just my view of things. besides. it's the forum's topic. ^^
xxangelchanxx
The fangirls.
luluseason
I Agree, though I've never been a fan of yaoi or yuri so it would be my opinion anyway.
but if people like yaoi or yuri, it can't be helped.
I just think it's a bit too much fantasizing.
rzerox21xx
Hi, I'm new and I safely can say here that I'm against yaoi in any form and find it disturbing and being a heterosexual male don't find even yuri appealing. I hate hentai and I don't like the see characters I love being disrespected and shown in that way unless it's tasteful at least. I don't find any logica in any of these couplings especially snice I seen alot of anime and there are relationships I can see happening. I don't hate gay people or characters, if the character mean't for a character to be gay and implied that way. Arkawa has shown what Ed and Roy are into in her manga and homosexuality is not part of it. Roy clearly like girls and is into Riza. Ed is your typical shounen main character that seem to have some good self-control and shown to like Winry(I'm not saying this because I think Winry is one of my anime crushes that come and go like with other female characters). I think Ed probably control himself because he wouldn't want to think perverted thoughts of his childhood friend and the girl he likes/loves. I hate to admit that if I was in Ed place and Winry in her revealing tanktop was working on me while I'm in my boxers like Ed, I may have to take a cold shower after that. Only Arkawa knows what goes on in that teenage boy while puberty is hitting him. We only got to see Winry's view on Edward growing up, maybe we'll get to see Edward noticing Winry that way as well. Maybe he already has considering how he denies too much as Riza notice.
Forsaken Love
^ I completley agree, except for things like been a hetro male, 'cause im a girl XD but yeah in general you hit the nail on the head, I find yaoi pairings to be quite sickerning, if a character is designed to be that way then fine, but i hate fans manipulating characters like that.
rzerox21xx
I apologize forsaken love, I do have conservative view based on Christianity however I am against extreme conservatives who preached hate and gay bashing. There's a balance in both views but this is a fullmetal alchemist board, not discussing issues like that.

Full-fledged Alchemist, well I watched a bunch of anime and the thing is, each lead female role or supporting character has fans and also their own group of haters. I love Kamiya Kaoru from Rurouni Kenshin and is for her relationship with Kenshin and I love Tomoe as well. Kaoru has alot of hate from Kenshin fans and I seen both sides defending their view and well each it's own.

In fullmetal, I aw a post about General Major Armstrong hate and well I thought most hate of female character come from more obvious reasons like wanting her male love for themselves or in another ship like Ed/Rose or yaoi. Everyone has their reasons why they don't like a charater. I know some Ling haters and I'm sure there those who don't like Ed as a character.



Forsaken Love
^ Lol im totally against gay bashing! I know gay people, I love them their amazing fun to be with, I wouldn't ever judge anyone on their sexuality! I just don't like fan-based yaoi XD and stuff thats actually written as yaoi I don't read. To be fair I only like cannon pairings anyway, if theres no support from the story I don't like them, but I love them if the story supports it, which is why i love edwin but despise edxroy because it goes against the writers intentions.
rzerox21xx
QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Jul 10 2009, 07:12 AM) *
^ Lol im totally against gay bashing! I know gay people, I love them their amazing fun to be with, I wouldn't ever judge anyone on their sexuality! I just don't like fan-based yaoi XD and stuff thats actually written as yaoi I don't read. To be fair I only like cannon pairings anyway, if theres no support from the story I don't like them, but I love them if the story supports it, which is why i love edwin but despise edxroy because it goes against the writers intentions.


I agree with you. I like Kamatari from Rurouni Kenshin as a character who's so gay and in love with Shishio despite Shishio love Yumi.

The funny thing is that there are yaoi couplings for every form of fiction. I am into comic books and you wouldn't believe seeing people who like SpiderxGoblin(Peter Parker and Harry Osborn) despite both character were married(I perfered Peter being married to Mj right now but Marvel are jerks and retcon it with the deal of the devil crap so there be more "story possiblities" and there Captain america x Ironman, Wolverine x Cyclops(just cause they like the same redhead Jean and rivals in some reason). Damnit, all the character I describe have love interest who are female.

All for the love of Ishbal, Batman and Robin(age gap probably too snice d*** Grayson was pre teen and Bruce alot older) before the days of modern manga. that was probably the first homo shipping that even cause controversy which change Batman to a more campy feel so they can remove the accustations. It's a complicated, they even throw in some love interest for them to avoid that.


I don't go around looking for these but I do hear that from message boards and I do tend to be very careful when approaching sites like deviantart. I would go look for Edwin fanart and I always have one hand cover the computer screen until I know it's safe to see it without running into any shounen-ai crap.
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