I beat Estate Takedown and Armor Piercing by myself in Modern Warfare 2, it's not going to be a problem for me.

@ Disasterpiece On veteran???? Oh Gasp. Regardless, that's impressive.

Back on topic, I actually saw 2012 and I thought it was alright. Lots of CGI and stuff like that you'd expect from a movie about the end of the world, but... it was alright. It didn't depress me or anything, but it kinda captivated me. I enjoyed it.

Still, I'll be waiting in my attic holding a shotgun... those zombies aren't gonna last long. JKlawlz

I remember back in 1986 or '87 the world was supposed to end too when the planets lined up. I don't know the exact date. Just that there was talk about it. No one can predict the world ending. Only God knows. And if you think I'm crazy believing in God, how is that any crazier than believing the world will end because of some calendar stops on a specific date?

Not trying to stir up controversy, I'm just saying.

^^ Well, the point of this being in the debate district is for us to debate on one another, so it doesn't really matter if you start a giant conflict or not, cuz it's... debate. Y'know. But anyways, I'm pretty sure the majority of this thread is against the world ending in 2012.

But anyways, I agree with you. I believe in God and I don't tihnk the world's gonna end in 2012. I think the argument other people present is interesting and I like learning about the opposing side's POV (hence my seemingly eager persona regarding this topic. I even presented a persuasive speech in my speech class to convince the class of the world ending (even though I clearly stated to them I didn't believe in it). So yeah, as you can probably tell, I enjoy having the knowledge of both sides of the argument.

The world's not going to end. Why? Not because other false prophecies haven't come true regarding it or because it's cool and fun to pick on those who do believe in it, but because the Bible says so. Like Animeoldtime says. And I have full faith in God. And even though the evidence presenting a higher being is often ignored claimed to be 'unreliable' and to those who don't believe in God would say that there's even less evidence for God than there is of the world ending in 2012. Either way only time God and scientific breakthroughs could tell.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't mean to bring the whole 'God' debate here.

I think that whether you look at it from a religious or scientific angle (or both), the world ending in 2012 is pretty ridiculous. Unless, of course, politics go sour and we end up in a nuclear war, and even if one does break out in 2012, the chances of it occurring on the specified date are pretty silly.

I do think, though, that we'll have some problems around then. My reasoning is this: Look at all the people who are panicking now. Add the number they'll have converted by then. In December 2012, they'll all be convinced that the world's going to end, so they only have days remaining to do whatever that crazy thing they always wanted to do, or whatever, and of course they'll all be panicking on a ridiculous scale, because they think the world's about to end. We might see some riots, or something. But the world's not gonna end.

^Agreed. I know it's wrong for me to say this, but for some twisted and unknown reason, I'm looking forward to this day because I want to see how everyone reacts. Or rather, how they react prior to the day. Surely when December rolls around in 2012, two things are gonna happen: The whole Happy Holidays magical scenario that, of course, occurs every year, and also the whole "panicky chaos" state you said. I can just see people running all over the place wayyyyy before December 21, 2012, like say... Hmm, a convenient day would be Black Friday, to go run and do ridiculous things like buying ridiculous amounts of Spam, ramen, and other nonperishables... In fact, I just had this disturbing mental image strike through my brain about people looting food pantries...

I can even see myself amidst this chaos- just playing the safe-card, you know. I wouldn't be surprised if I turned into one of those loonies holding up cardboard signs saying 'The End is Nigh' started acting crazy by running people over with shopping carts because I wanted the last roll of toilet paper. But a more sensible me would be going out and buying a surplus amount of food, water, and other basic necessities of life. In fact, during Y2K, my parents actually went and filled up buckets, sinks, bottles, and the tub in our house with water because they just wanted to be safe. They told me this when I asked them they did during Y2K, since me (and my bro) were like 6 years old when this happened.

So, I just want to get my point across that even though I don't believe in it, it doesn't mean that I'll be a pompous, arrogant person if/when the day comes. I'm not going to call anyone out on being a gullible weenie and I will stand and take it if someone name calls me. Better safe than sorry, right? XD

@ Katya Oh yeah... nukes. Totally forgot about those (somehow). True, some political figure could get all irate and press that pretty read button, but, really, what are the odds somethnig like that happens on December 21, 2012?

I get what you mean, wanting to see what people do, but I think it could also get somewhat dangerous/scary. A bunch of people emptying grocery stores because they think that whatever happens will go between them and food is one thing. A bunch of people running around with the mentality that their actions no longer have consequences because they're about to die... that's a pretty scary thought.

I think something may happen in 2012 but of course the world wont suddenly 'end' as katya said from both a scientific or religious view point it wouldnt happen, things take time, as in years, decades, wars dont happen over night

I don't think anything's gonna happen. Nothing out of the ordinary shi*ty things that happens every day, all year around.

I think a mass hysteria revolving around this, having people freaking out and causing riots, would be absurd. But I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

Inform me, are there a lot of people as of today who seriously believe in this 'end of the world'- prophecy? I'm not exactly well-informed on the matter, I tend to stay out of these discussions.

All I can say is that if the world does end in 2012, it will be when I graduate college. So if the world does end, then I can say "I just wasted my money for four years in college, just to have the world end before I can go out into the real world... Great."

I am just going to say that December 31, 2011 is going to be how December 31, 1999. People were panicked and nervous, but then nothing happened.

the actual date for 2012 is in december or somethin, so it would be neally a year after december 31 2011 XD its practically 2013 really

2012 will really happen. It is written in the bible. I agree with Katya that there has scientific and religious proofs but it may just not happen in 2012, it can range from 2010 to eternity.

Hold on, Kazare, when you said "2012 will happen" are you referrring to happen in a "world will end" happen or "it'll just be another day/year" happen? And the 'it' in "it can range from 2012 to eternity", what are you referring to as 'it'? I'm sorry, your statement was kind of vague to me.

@ Katya: Okay, you're right about the whole mass hysteria thing. It is pretty dangerous. But being a kid who has been living a life of boredom can't help but want an "adventure"... okay, that was as extremely lame (but honest) excuse

@sidekick.kep37
The 'it' that I am referring is the end of the world.

I believe that the events happened on the movie 2012 will come true but I don't think it will exactly come in year 2012.

This. The world will end. I don't think it will happen anytime in the near future, but it will happen.

Jeez, first an earthquake in Haiti and now in Chile, too? This end of the world thing is really starting to freak me out. I'm not getting paranoid or anything but, it's kind of hard not to notice this trend here.

I mean, here in Texas we, geographically speaking, have these blistering summers that have been progressively getting hotter. True, nothing new for us, but I can read charts. :nodnod: But what's weird is that these winters we've been experiencing, though not completely blistering cold here in Texas, are memorable ones with the temperatures and the several instances we've received snow. But for the country, however, things have definitely gone pretty weird. Snow has been pouring in by the feet in some places. All this weather hubbub is really starting to irk at me.

And to add to that, the recent earthquakes in Haiti and Chile (bless them) are starting to freak me out even more. I believe it was the Mayans who predicted in the year 2010, a major earthquake will strike California. I want to say it's in San Francisco that unfortunately gets to be the city that gets torn apart, but I don't know if there are any fault lines along there. But to me, if an earthquake does strike (God forbid) California, it will be a critical warning sign that may guarantee the end of the world.

Now what'd be even more interesting if the end of the world happened similar to the catastrophic events in the movie 2012. Interesting indeed.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's because there's a fault line there! Earthquakes happen. They are not heralds of the worlds end. There have been Earthquakes rocking the world since it began. They've happened before and they'll happen again, that's just how the world works.


A swift google search shows no such prediction by the Myans. However, you'll be happy to know an Earthquake has already hit California this year, unpredicted though it was. However, even if someone had predicted such an event it's not that impressive anyway.
It's like predicting a member of the Senate will die this year. It may not happen but they're all really old so there's a solid chance, same as predicting a state on a fault line may just have an Earthquake.


It's winter. Many, many America states have always had heavy winters with large amounts of snowfall. In Texas and other Southern states It may be uncommon or rare but it's nothing to get worried over. Honestly, it would be more strange if you never had a heavy winter.


Well done, you've predicted the obvious. Of course the world will end. Our jolly little Sun is just waiting to one day go super nova and take down the solar system.

Earthquakes can be tragic, but they're nothing abnormal. California gets them all the time, though not always big enough to do too much damage. The patterns earthquakes follow are determined by plate tectonics, a branch of science that takes a bit of explaining-- basically the motion of tectonic plates builds up tension, and after a while it all has to go somewhere. You can read about them here.

Natural disasters are just that-- natural. They're terrible, they kill a lot of people, but for the most part, we can tell what causes them. We're getting better and better at that all the time.

And yes, the world has a lot of problems. But it always has, and it always will. We make new developments, we find new challenges. But we've come a long way! Hard times in no way mean the world will end; they're just a chance for us to make things better!

Of course the world will end. Humanity could do something incredibly foolish, or something entirely unforseen could occur. If we somehow avoid that for some five billion years, the sun will go red giant.

But there's nothing really convincing to say the world will end anytime soon.

Thank you, rational people.

Every new millennium there is a fool that spread the "OMG the world will end" nosense.
Beside to those that see a kind of omen in the last natural disasters (Chile's earthquake, Haiti etc...) well they're just the regular activity of the Earth. There have always been earthquakes and tsunamis, the only difference is that we heard of them almost everyday due to the mass media, so we are induced to think that it's a kind of apocalypse or a "Nature uprising against the human kind".

I beat Dead Space on impossible mode in less than 6 hours, it shouldn't be a problem for me.

I don't believe that the World will end in 2012.
In fact, I am waiting for the "death of the Universe", [between 40 and 50]*10e9 years in the future.

I believe it's all bull.

These "prophecies" are nothing more than hoaxes, built off of nothing more than the vivid imaginations of the human mind--we've already had these happen already. People thought the world was going to end in 2000, and it didn't. There have been several conspiracies related to the end of the world, and none of them have ever been fulfilled. Just because a Mayan calendar ends in year 2012 doesn't mean they believe the world is going to end in 2012; people just imagine it does. Even if that's what they believed, it doesn't mean we have to believe them too. Why does the obsolete knowledge of civilization from centuries past have any kind of bearing on truth, which we are more than capable of discerning for ourselves with our modern techniques, knowledge and science?

People can use religion to bend and twist whatever they want to make their end-of-the-world interpretation seem more plausible. Without any kind of evidence, I have no reason to believe the year 2012 is any more special than any other year.

i don't know if i believe if 2012 will happen(if it does, then my friend's birthday is the same day the world will end ._.). whatever happens, happens.

12/21/12 is about six months before I graduate from high school. So no, the world is not going to end on that day. I refuse to let twelve painful years of school go to waste. I want to go to college, dern it.

People predict the end of the world all the time. Doesn't mean it'll happen when they say it will. Of course, the world will end someday. But not on that day. I'm getting out of high school first, thank you very much.

(read as: I don't believe in stuff like that. It ends when it ends, when God says it does or we blow ourselves up or the sun goes kaboom. And hey, if it does end in 2012, then at least I won't have to worry about paying for college.)

I'd much rather a zombie apocalypse, anyway.

garrrr I don't believe in this at all. This infographic sums up my opinions nicely.

I don't really believe it, no. However it does make me kind of nervous. LOL. I feel like I should lose my virginity before then. >_> I am totally fine being a virgin but I'd like to hope I do it before I potentially leave this world.

Anyway, random but I realized that the full lunar eclipse I saw happen here on December 21, 2010....well I realized the 2012 date set for the end of the world is the anniversary of that then....weird. Just random.

The moon turned red when I saw that eclipse. It was awesome looking.