...........frick I need more doujinshii.

Like, I need to buy some off the interwebs.

The sharing of a few scans from a wonderfully drawn and adorable neko!Roy and Neko!Hughes doujin made me realize this....boohoo, I wanna have my own doujinshi I to show off and scan and gawk at whenever I want. :'< Must-waste-money-on-smexy-fanart...

Why did Animethon only have to have Ouran doujinshi, god damnit.



Anyways.


I is home for the weekend.

Home all alone tho. Brother still in the hospital in the city and dad there too.

Need to talk to 'auntie' to take me to the city tomorrow to visit them and shop for posters to personalize my room more. The Nightmare before Christmas poster and little FMA pin up are nice an dall but Fushi wants some wall scrolls and .....

I never read any Doujinshi .__. *shot*

Personally, I think that only the original artists should draw their manga. *shot again*

Then don't ever draw another piece of fanart again :3


Seriously, doujinshii is just fanart and fanfiction rolled into one. if you have that view about doujin then don't ever bother drawing fanart or writing fanfiction ever again. Cause you're basically at the same time saying "only the original artists should draw their characters. Only the original artists should write their stories" >_>


Plus, doujinshi is also a term used for original mangas as well. Self published ones.

Hm, I never looked at it that way. But I mean, selling it? People write fanfics and draw fanart for fun. But people sell Doujinshi. That'd be like me taking a song by an artist, changing the words a bit and singing myself, then selling it. I've heard a lot of clueless fans say; "But I saw it in the manga!" when it was Doujinshi that they read.

Wrong. They make up their own storyline. They also have their own style, which is what makes some doujinshi look so attractive.

What I meant was, it's- it's- hard to explain is what.Gah! I sound like a rambling idiot. I must gather my thoughts .__.

.......

Okay then, it's stealing. If I take Pokemon, draw it Shoujo style and call it 'The Happy-yellow-mouse Chronicles' and sell it, the artist could sew. Because it's not mine. Unless, of course, it may be okay as long as there is a VERY CLEAR Disclaimer.

They sell it for mere pennies. They basically just sell it for enough to pay for the paper and ink. No real profit is made at all.

Which is why it's allowed and doujin artists aren't being sued for copyright infringement.


I don't know if this is the full truth, but it's what I suspect. Doujin has been around long before the internet. So, there was a time when you couldn't just scan your work and show it to people. You had to show them to people on direct paper. You'd want as many people as possible to see it, so you'd make a lot of copies. Now that can be really costly, what with paper cost and copy cost. Therefore, just to get your art out there and to pay for the expenses it took the make the books, you'd charge a little bit. Despite the internet making all that easier, printed doujinshi is a bit of a tradition, therefore it's still popular.
Or at least that's what I think.

My only point was that as hard as they work on their work, it still is only their dream, and never going to happen. And the original is always best. At least, that's what I've been taught around here.

-My computer is doing it again! Turning slow, and then speeding up again. Then freezing, and then exiting the window, and then restoring it. And saying (Not Responding) on top. Like it will soon, so I'd better leave.

I could post several doujin that look identical to the source material...
Either way doujinshi would never survive US/European copyright laws.
I doin't give a hoot though, as long as stuff like "Azumanaga: floating/drifting classroom" still come out I'll be happy. It's funny to see characters thrown into stories that go dramatically against the original story style/tone.

And in trying to make your point, you missed the point of doujin.

NO doujin-ka is trying to say this is what is going to happen in the series. Remember how you said fanart and fanfiction is done for fun? SAME THING FOR DOUJINSHII. It's all for FUN (and sometimes arousal *cough*) and to try and get their art a little more well known. And we, the people who read doujin, also do so for fun.

Once again, you missed the entire point.

Also profit.
Alot of doujins just take established characters, stick 'em in a new plot/cheap porno and sell 'em without much creative input.
While their are a good number that do do it for fun and such there are a larger number doing it with profit as the main motive.

You guys may want to stick this in Debate district though. It's almost interesting.

I also recall (it was somewhere in the BBI thread) that not many doujin makers get sued for copyright infringement, even if they do sell and profit, because it (possibly) boosts the original anime/manga's sales. Hmm... double profit. EVERYONE WINS!

As I said earlier to Washu, doujin-ka make VERY little money from their doujinshii. The money they get from selling the doujin is basically just enough to pay for paper and copying. Not enough money is made from doing doujinshii - no real profit is made. That's why they don't get sued for copyright infringement. And like neKoh said, it's free publicity.

More like taking a song by a famous artist and singing it in a subway for spare change.


Speaking of which; I'm still short on tuition, thus planning on becoming an artistic prostitute and doing comissions. Anybody have requests? Characters of theirs they want drawn, portraits, interpetive dance?

....*raises hand* I wouldn't mind seeing my Cathy done in a style other than my own...


Who split the thread up? Watch as the debate dies and this thread falls into the abyss of the debate forum....

Everytime I've seen a doujin, I seem to be bombarded with sex galore. I know not all doujin is like that, but still...it's enough to scare me off. Though, I do agree with how it's no different than fanart, or fanfics. People are free to make what they want.

Plus, from what I understand, there's no such thing as "copyright infringement" in Japan [or if there is, it's very loose or not heavily enforced; correct me if I'm wrong on this], so it's not like they can get in trouble for it. I doubt the original manga-ka would care anyway, as they're probably rolling around in the yen as is.

i claim the blame for killing off the topic and placing it here in debate district

here's some perspective/commentary
http://www.tokyopop.com/Robofish/tp_article/286906.html

might as well add in ann's definition and history of doujinshi -> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...xicon.php?id=16

I have one last thing to say on this subject, and that is that the world would be a far worse-off place if "Gun no Mame" didn't exist.

That is all.