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<FMA manga chapters and other publications info added by Tombow and Michiyo>

Chapters:
Volume 27: Nov. 22, 2010 (U.S. Dec. 20, 2011)
Gaiden: Another Journey's End, もうひとつの旅路の果て
Chapter 108: Journey's End, 旅路の果て (June 11, 2010)
Chapter 107: The Last Battle, 最後の戦い (May 12, 2010)
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Volume 26: August 12, 2010 (U.S. Sept. 20, 2011)
Chapter 106: Pride's Abyss, 傲慢の深淵 (April 12, 2010)
Chapter 105: The Throne of God, 神の御座 (March 12, 2010)
Chapter 104: The Center of the World, 世界の中心 (Feb. 12, 2010)
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Volume 25: April 22, 2010 (U.S. June 7, 2011)
Chapter 103: For Whom?, 誰のため (Jan. 12, 2010)
Chapter 102: Before the Portal, 扉の前 (Dec. 12, 2009)
Chapter 101: The Fifth Human Sacrifice, 5人目の人柱 (Nov. 12, 2009)
Chapter 100: Holding the Gate, 開かずの扉 (Oct 12, 2009)
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Volume 24: Dec. 22, 2009 (U.S. Jan. 18, 2011)
Fullmetal Alchemist, Wii: Daughter of the Dusk, Prologue, 黄昏の少女
Chapter 99: Eternal Rest, 永遠の暇 (Sept. 12, 2009)
Chapter 98: Greed Without Limits, 底無しの強欲 (August 12, 2009)
Chapter 97: Two Philosophers, 二人の賢者 (July 10, 2009)
Chapter 96: Two Strong Women, 二人の女傑 (June 12, 2009)
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Volume 23: Aug. 12, 2009 (U.S. July 20, 2010)
Fullmetal Alchemist, Wii: Prince of Dawn, Prologue, 暁の王子
Chapter 95: Beyond the Inferno, 烈火の先に (May 12, 2009)
Chapter 94: The Flames of Vengeance, 復讐の炎 (April 12, 2009)
Chapter 93: Archenemy, 不倶戴天の敵 (March 12, 2009)
Chapter 92: With Everyone's Strength, 皆の力 (Feb. 12, 2009)
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Volume 22: April 11, 2009 (U.S. Jan. 19, 2010)
Chapter 91: A Reunion of Alchemists, 賢者の再会 (Jan. 12, 2009)
Chapter 90: Army of Immortals, 不死の軍団 (Dec. 12, 2008)
Chapter 89: Soldiers' Return, 戦士の旗艦 (Nov. 12, 2008)
Chapter 88: The Understanding Between Father and Son, 親子の情 (Oct. 12, 2008)
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Volume 21: December 22, 2008 (U.S. November 17, 2009)
Chapter 87: An Oath Made in the Underground, 地下道の誓い (Sept. 12, 2008)
Chapter 86: Servant of Darkness, 闇の使者 (Aug. 12, 2008)
Chapter 85: The Empty Box, 空の箱 (July 12, 2008)
Chapter 84: Shadow of the Pursuer, 追跡者の影 (June 12, 2008)
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Volume 20: August 22, 2008 (U.S. September 15, 2009)
Chapter 83: The Promised Day, 約束の (May 12, 2008)
Chapter 82: Family by Spirit, 魂の家族 (April 12, 2008)
Chapter 81: A Full Recovery, バリバリの全開 (March 12, 2008)
Chapter 80: The Prodigal Father Returns, 瞼の父 (Feb, 12, 2008)
Chapter 79: Bug Bite, 蟻のひと噛み (Jan. 12, 2008)
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Volume 19: March 12, 2008 (U.S. July 21, 2009)
Chapter 78: The Seven Deadly Sins, 七つの罪 (Dec. 12, 2007)
Chapter 77: The Tables Are Turned; A New Transmutation Circle, 逆転の錬成陣 (Nov. 12, 2007)
Chapter 76: Shape of a Person, Shape of a Stone, 人の形 石の形 (Oct. 12, 2007)
Chapter 75: The Last Days of Cselkcess, クセルクセス最期の日 (Sept. 12, 2007)
Chapter 74: The Dwarf in the Flask, フラスコの中の小人 (Aug. 12, 2007)
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Volume 18: December 22, 2007 (U.S. May 19, 2009)
Chapter 73: A Daydream, 白昼の夢 (July 12, 2007)
Chapter 72: A Chain of Negativity, a Pebble of Goodness, 負の連鎖 正の一石 (June 12, 2007)
Chapter 71: In the Grip of the Red Lotus, 紅蓮の男 (May 12, 2007)
Chapter 70: The First Homunculus: 始まりのホムンクルス (April 12, 2007)
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Volume 17: August 11, 2007 (U.S. October 21, 2008)
Chapter 69: The Foundation of Briggs, ブリッグズの礎(ishizuki) (March 12, 2007)
Chapter 68: Portrait of a Family, 家族の肖像 (Feb. 12, 2007)
Chapter 67: Burgeoning Borders, この国のかたち (Jan. 12, 2007)
Chapter 66: The Snow Queen, 雪の女王 (Dec. 12, 2006)
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Volume 16: March 22, 2007 (U.S. March 18, 2008)
Chapter 65: The Ironclad Rule, 鉄の掟 (Nov. 12, 2006)
Chapter 64: The Northern Wall of Briggs, ブリッグズの北壁 (Oct. 12,2006)
Chapter 63: The Promise Made for 520 Cenz, 520センズの約束 (Sept. 12, 2006)
Chapter 62: Beyond the Dream, 夢の先 (August 12, 2006)
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Volume 15: November 22, 2006 (U.S. December 18, 2007)
Chapter 61: The Hero of Ishbal, イシュヴァールの英雄 (July 12, 2006)
Chapter 60: In the Absence of God, 神の不在 (June 12, 2006)
Chapter 59: The Immoral Alchemist, 背徳の錬金術師 (May 12, 2006)
Chapter 58: The Footsteps of Ruin, 破滅の足音 (April 12, 2006)
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Volume 14: July 22, 2006 (U.S. August 14, 2007)
Chapter 57: Scars of Ishbal, イシュヴァールの傷 (March. 12, 2006)
Chapter 56: The Lion of the Round Table, 円卓の獅子 (Feb. 12, 2006)
Chapter 55: The Avarice of Two, 二人の強欲 (Jan. 12, 2006)
Chapter 54: The Fool's Struggle, 愚者の足掻き (Dec. 12, 2005)
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Volume 13: March 22, 2006 (U.S. May 15, 2007)
Chapter 53: Signpost of the Soul, 魂の道標 (Nov. 12, 2005)
Chapter 52: Lord of the Demon's Lair, 魔窟の王 (Oct. 12, 2005)
Chapter 51: A Portal in the Darkness, 闇の扉 (Sept 12, 2005)
Chapter 50: In the Belly of the Beast, 腹の中 (August 12, 2005)
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Volume 12: November 21, 2005 (U.S. March 20, 2007)
Chapter 49: A Monster Among Men, 人中の化け物 (July 12, 2005)
Chapter 48: A Promise Made by Those Who Wait, 待ち人の約束 (June 12, 2005)
Chapter 47: A Girl in the Grip of Battles Past and Present, 戦場の少女 (May 12, 2005)
Chapter 46: The Distant Image of Their Backs, 遠くの背中 (April 12, 2005)
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Volume 11: July 22, 2005 (U.S. January 16, 2007)
Chapter 45: Scar's Return, 傷の男再び (March 12, 2005)
Chapter 44: The Unnamed Grave, 名前の無い墓 (Feb. 12, 2005)
Chapter 43: River of Mud, 泥の河 (Jan. 12, 2005)
Chapter 42: The Father Standing Before a Grave, 墓前の父 (Dec. 12, 2004)
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Volume 10: March 11, 2005 (U.S. November 21, 2006)
Chapter 41: On the Palm of an Arrogant Human Being, 小さな人間の傲慢な掌 (Nov. 12, 2004)
Chapter 40: Philosopher from the West, 西の賢者 (Oct. 12, 2004)
Chapter 39: Complications at Central, 錯綜(sakusou)のセントラル (Sept. 12, 2004)
Chapter 38: Signal to Strike, 反撃ののろし (August 12, 2004)
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Volume 9: November 22, 2004 (U.S. September 19, 2006)
Chapter 37: The Body of a Criminal, 咎人(toganin) の肉体 (July 12, 2004)
Chapter 36: Alchemist in Distress, 苦渋の錬金術師 (June 12, 2004)
Chapter 35: The Sacrificial Lamb, 生け贄(ikenie)の羊 (May 12, 2004)
Chapter 34: The Footsteps of a War Comrade, 戦友の足跡 (April 12, 2004)
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Volume 8: July 22, 2004 (U.S. July 18, 2006)
Gaiden: Fullmetal Alchemist and the Broken Angel, 鋼の錬金術師 翔べない天使
Chapter 33: Showdown in Rush Valley, ラッシュバレーの攻防 (March 12, 2004)
Chapter 32: Emissary From the East, 東方の使者 (Feb. 12, 2004)
Chapter 31: The Snake That Eats Its Own Tail, 己の尾を噛む蛇 (Jan. 12, 2004)
Chapter 30: The Truth Inside the Armor, 鎧の中 真理の奧 (Dec. 12, 2003)
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Volume 7: March 22, 2004 (U.S. May 16, 2006)
Gaiden: The Second Lieutenant Goes to Battle!, 戦う 少尉さん
Chapter 29: The Eye of the King, 王の眼 (Nov. 12, 2003)
Chapter 28: A Fool's Courage, 匹夫 (Hippu) の勇 (Oct. 12, 2003)
Chapter 27: The Beasts of Dublith, ダブリスの獣たち (Sept. 12, 2003)
Chapter 26: To Meet the Master, 主の元へ (Aug. 12, 2003)
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Volume 6: October 22, 2003 (U.S. March 21, 2006)
Chapter 25: Master and Apprentice, 師弟のけじめ (July 12, 2003)
Chapter 24: Fullmetal Alchemist, 鋼の錬金術師 (June 12, 2003)
Chapter 23: Knocking on Heaven's Door, 叩け 天国の扉 (May 12, 2003)
Chapter 22: The Masked Man, 仮面の男 (April 12, 2003)
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Volume 5: June 21, 2003 (U.S. Jan. 10, 2006)
Chapter 21: The Brothers' Secret, 二人だけの秘密 (March 12, 2003)
Chapter 20: The Terror of the Teacher: 師匠の恐怖 (Feb. 12, 2003)
Chapter 19: I'll Do It for You Guys!, あんた達のかわりに (Jan. 12, 2003)
Chapter 18: The Value of Sincerity, 誠意の価値 (Dec. 12, 2002)
Chapter 17: The Boomtown of the Broken Down, にわか景気の谷 (Nov. 12, 2002)
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Volume 4: Jan. 22, 2003 (U.S. Nov. 6, 2005)
Gaiden: Dog of the Military, 軍の犬
Chapter 16: Separate Paths, それぞれの行く先 (Oct. 12, 2002)
Chapter 15: Fullmetal Heart, 鋼のこころ (Sept. 12, 2002)
Chapter 14: An Only Child's Feelings, ひとりっ子の気持ち (Aug. 12, 2002)
Chapter 13: Fullmetal Body, 鋼のからだ (July 12, 2002)
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Volume 3: Sept. 21, 2002 (U.S. Sept. 6, 2005)
Gaiden: The Military Festival, 軍部の祭り
Chapter 12: The Definition of Human,「人間」の定義 (June 12, 2002)
Chapter 11: The Two Guardians, 二人の守護者 (May 12, 2002)
Chapter 10: The Philosopher's Stone, 賢者の石 (April 12, 2002)
Chapter 9: A Home with a Family Waiting, 家族の待つ家 (March 12, 2002)
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Volume 2: May 22, 2002 (U.S. July 5, 2005)
Chapter 8: The Road of Hope, 希望の道 (Feb. 12, 2002)
Chapter 7: After the Rain, 雨の後 (Jan. 12, 2002)
Chapter 6: The Right Hand of Destruction, 破壊の右手 (Dec. 12, 2001)
Chapter 5: The Alchemist's Suffering, 錬金術師の苦悩 (Nov. 12, 2001)
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Volume 1: Jan. 2002, (U.S. May 3, 2005)
Chapter 4: Battle on the Train: 車上の戦い (Oct. 12, 2001)
Chapter 3: The Mining Town, 炭鉱の街 (Sept. 12, 2001)
Chapter 2: The Price of Life, 命の代価 (Aug. 12, 2001)
Chapter 1: The Two Alchemists, 二人の錬金術師 (July 12, 2001)


FMA Manga Prototype
June 10, 2011

Gaidens:
Broken Angel: Gaiden on Vol. 8
The Blind Alchemist: Gaiden on Perfect Guidebook 1
His Battlefield Once More: Gaiden on Book In Figure Blue

Guidebooks:
Perefect Guidebook-2
Fullmetal Alchemist DX Guidebook
FMA Characters Guide book
FMA Chronicle


Other FMA Publications:
FMA Artbook - 1
FMA Artbook - 2
FMA Artbook - 3
Fullmetal Alchemist Rough Sketch Gallery





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~ Question On Philosopher's Stone, Exactly what can it do? ~

The Philosopher's stone seems to be a powerful element in FMA. Even a modestly sized one that fits in the palm of your hand seems to weild great power. But if a minor one will suffice, why would anyone go to all the troube of making a gigantic PS? Not very travel convienent or inconspicuous.

From everything I've read in FMA, we know that all Philosopher's Stones, at the very least, do the following:
  • Grant immortality.
  • Generate gold.
  • Crucial to creating Homonuculi.
  • Various healing atributes (As shown by Dr. Marcoh, drive behind Ed and Al's quest for their bodies)
  • Magnifies alchemic processes.
Now, the Father created the Homonuculi, the oldest of which (Pride) is over 200 years old, so it's fairly obvious that he's mastered immortality or some version thereof. Gold is nice, but any greed-stricken, skilled Alchemist (As Father is no doubt) could transmute gold, and even then, a small Philosopher's Stone would work just as nicely. Homonuculi use small ones (See "Travel convienence"), and any potential illness or injury Father has could easily be cured by, yet again, a small, pocket-fitting stone.

This leaves only one other known conclusion.

As demonstrated by Cornello, even a PS so small (and incomplete) it fits in a ring can bypass the laws of equivalent exchange and create dazzling wonders ("Maximum profit for minimum cost," I believe it was). Well, suppose that the larger a PS is, the higher the "Profit" to "Cost" ratio is. If that is true, then a ginormous PS could consievably alter and reconstruct the very face of the Earth (Possibly even deeper), recreating it however he (or she) who holds the PS desires.

..."In their own image" perhaps. I think that the Father wants to play Go
Philosopher's Stone
Or it could be that the smaller "fake" stones don't really achieve things like immortality, resurrections or the restorations of entire limbs. Remember that Marcoh is a DOCTOR and that probably implies that he knows how to target the mechanics of a human body with his alchemy, it may be something only Marcoh can do because of his blend of alchemy with medical knowledge and access to the lesser Stones. I've always gotten the impression that alchemy only allows you to do those things that you know witha a familiarity. We do see Ed trying futiley to ressurect Nina, which is well beyond his realm of knowledge due to it's complexity. Thusly, these lesser stones don't really let you achieve the truly impressive things.
Carnal Malefactor
It's like materia in FF7. The bigger it is, the more punch it packs.
Nepharski
QUOTE(Philosopher @ Oct 7 2005, 10:58 PM) [snapback]297282[/snapback]

Or it could be that the smaller "fake" stones don't really achieve things like immortality, resurrections or the restorations of entire limbs. Remember that Marcoh is a DOCTOR and that probably implies that he knows how to target the mechanics of a human body with his alchemy, it may be something only Marcoh can do because of his blend of alchemy with medical knowledge and access to the lesser Stones. I've always gotten the impression that alchemy only allows you to do those things that you know witha a familiarity. We do see Ed trying futiley to ressurect Nina, which is well beyond his realm of knowledge due to it's complexity. Thusly, these lesser stones don't really let you achieve the truly impressive things.

Are we talking about the Anime or the Manga here? I've read all 51 available chapters, and I have yet to see Ed try to ressurect Nina.

My main point is, then need that stone. They need it real, and they need it big...perhaps, size of a city big. The question is: Why?
Sensenic
QUOTE (Nepharski @ Oct 8 2005, 06:36 AM) *
... From everything I've read in FMA, we know that all Philosopher's Stones, at the very least, do the following:[list]
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[*]Generate gold.

Ed made tons of gold (still wondering how they managed to bring it to Yoki's house, tho' happy.gif; ) from metal scrap. No need for a stone here.
They just don't do it cuz it's illegal and highly punished.

QUOTE (Nepharski @ Oct 8 2005, 06:36 AM) *
...As demonstrated by Cornello, even a PS so small (and incomplete) it fits in a ring can bypass the laws of equivalent exchange and create dazzling wonders ("Maximum profit for minimum cost," I believe it was). Well, suppose that the larger a PS is, the higher the "Profit" to "Cost" ratio is. If that is true, then a ginormous PS could consievably alter and reconstruct the very face of the Earth (Possibly even deeper), recreating it however he (or she) who holds the PS desires.

..."In their own image" perhaps. I think that the Father wants to play God.

I believe not. Remember that in order to create the stone you have to pay a really high price: Human lives. Lots of them.
As I see it, a PS is like an alchemic "credit card" or "bank account" (at least the fake ones): you "store the money", that is, what you'll give in exchange (the human lives) and then you can spend it whenever/however you want, making it that you're apparently bypassing the law of equivalent trade. Until you run out of lives (as in a videogame tongue.gif), as happened to Cornello. Or Lust, for that matter.


So you get:
- sth "small" to give away, of simliar nature to what are you going to make: the rose.
- the alchemic process: you "spend" the rose AND X human lives from the stone.
- and then, the result, that is, something of similar nature to what you used but "bigger": the sunflower.

The law is still kept. happy.gif


QUOTE (Nepharski @ Oct 9 2005, 05:06 AM) *
My main point is, then need that stone. They need it real, and they need it big...perhaps, size of a city big. The question is: Why?

How do you know? Marco said they're making a giant stone, but Envy said "you came close". So maybe he failed on that part. Or maybe not, but we don't for sure. Why do you people tend to forget Envy's answer?
ElvishVamp
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How do you know? Marco said they're making a giant stone, but Envy said "you came close". So maybe he failed on that part. Or maybe not, but we don't for sure. Why do you people tend to forget Envy's answer?


I don't think it's so much that people forget Envy's answer as they are interpreting it differently. The fact that Envy says "you came close" not only implies that Marco missed something, but that most of what he said was correct.

I don't really think the physical size of the stone means anything. I mean, after all those times Roy killed Lust, when she finally did die her stone was the same size it was when she showed it to Havoc and Roy earlier.
Dark_Fishie
QUOTE
I don't really think the physical size of the stone means anything. I mean, after all those times Roy killed Lust, when she finally did die her stone was the same size it was when she showed it to Havoc and Roy earlier.

Wow, I've never thought oh that! However, there is a definite size difference between the fake stone that Cornelli (the Lior priest) had and the stones that made up the core of the Humuncoli. Maybe it's just because it was fake??
Come to think of it, Marco's Stone was about the same size as the Humuncoli's...

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when she finally did die her stone was the same size

I believe that in both the anime and manga, the stones were used up and then disintegrated into nothingness. I don't think it ever showed that the stones got smaller. Maybe I missed that scene?
njx
Just a mention - the Philosopher's Stone may also be used to open the Gate of Knowledge without paying the "travel fee". See below for more on this.

A stone of large quantity could probably be used to pass a huge amount of people and/or large quantities of material through the Gate.

That presents some interesting avenues of theory - what exactly exists on the other side of the Gate? Perhaps the gate can be used for time travel?

Hohenheim and Tricia had made some sort of promise to each other. Tricia couldn't keep it because she died first. Perhaps Hohenheim wants to travel through the gate in an effort to fulfill that promise?

The ability to transmute an entire city through the Gate of Knowledge - perhaps the anime version's notion of our world vs. the alchemy world is part of this idea?


I think the goal of an extra-large Stone is related to the Gate somehow; the other reasons seem too mundane.
Ciella
I agree that the stone will be used in the opening of the gate, but I don't agree with the Tricia Hoenheim thing. One, because we don't if Hoenheim and Father are the same person. Sure they look alike, but we've never seen father's entire face and Hoenheim actually seems pretty nice (he saved those people in the cart). Where as Father plans on killing people to create a stone. We now know that the whole city wide stone sacrifice thing has been a conspiracy since the inception of the country. So why start the process of keeping a promise that he hadn't even made yet as Tricia wasn't even alive? I think the ultimate goal in opening the gate iss knowledge. I think the secrets to the universe are beyond it. Knowledge is power, and father seems like quite the greedy guy when it comes to power.
Jellybean
I'm so curious what Hohenheim's up to. He was saying in front to Trisha's grave "a little more time..." so I guess he was planning on coming back for her and the boys after he accomplished whatever it is, huh?
Why did he end up wandering back to Resembool at that particular time anyway?
Nepharski
*Opens the Gate. Sees the truth. Loses confidence.*

Maybe I should have just kept all this to myself.

I seriously doubt Father (Who I do not think is Hohenheim, but just for example) has been planning all this mayhem for decades to die and join his wife who only past away maybe six years ago (Currently, Ed is 15, he was sixteen when he passed the State Alchemy Exam, and that was at least a year after the start of the Auto-mail surgery and stuff). It seems to me that he is trying to purposefully create a gigantic PS. I'm just trying to figure out why. I thought I had reached a logical conclusion, but I guess not.

*Slumps back to the drawing board.*


<Question answered, merging it to "manga Q&A" thread. ~ Tombow>
Toby-Chan
~ May Chang's Name, In actual Chinese? (Xingese?) ~

I've seen use of Ling in chinese writing in various works of fan art- seems to be a pretty common name, but does anyone know what the chinese characters are that make up May Chang (Mei chen, mei chan, etc)'s name?

Excuse me for bein a n00b at this; the Chinese language scares and confuses the crap out of me.
MonsterEnvy
"mei" is the chinese pinyin for the characters that make up teh word "meimei", younger sister.
Additionally, xiao mei would mean small sister, small little sister. I've never actually seen the characters for the names, but that's how i've translated them. I'm not sure if "chan/chang" actually has a meaning, or if it's just her surname.
Toby-Chan
Chang is her clan, right?
MonsterEnvy
ya. I'm not sure what the meaning is, it may just be like english last names that don't seem to really mean anything
Ailuro
Um, most last names I've run across do have a meaning. At least, mine and everyone else's I know have a meaning. mellow.gif
Toby-Chan
I think he might mean there is no official meaning. Since, after all, it is only shown in katakana in Japanese; Arakawa may not have picked an official chinese translation for it. (Though one of the guidebooks does ensure that the english romanization is May Chang. Then again it also says Ling is Lin, and that's just not cool.)
MonsterEnvy
Yes, that's what I did mean. or, possibly, that the meaning has been lost.
However, that's untrue. One of the meanings is "prosperous", and this seems the only one that is in anyway related to anything we know about Mei's clan. If it's being used as a bit of irony, then it's quite appropriate.
bemused_non-alchemist
Well, I guess there's 2 ways of translating it:

张梅 (pronounced zhang mei in han yu pin yin) OR 陈梅 (pronounced chen mei)

陈 (chen) in Cantonese is pronounced Chan, but 张 (zhang) sounds a bit more like Chan. Both are real surnames.

According to this dandy dictionary I currently have on my lap, 陈 means... well, it depends how it's used. It can mean old, or to arrange, or to narrate, or... it really depends. It's the same with 张. It can mean to open, to look, to open shop, and as a unit of measurement (a piece of paper, etc.)

As for 梅 (mei), that's a bit easier; it's a type of flower which opens during winter, I forgot what it's called (not cherry blossoms, those open in spring).

There are, of course, other ways of translating it, but to me these 2 combinations sound the likeliest, and out of the 2 I prefer 张梅 (Zhang Mei). biggrin.gif
MonsterEnvy
The kanji don't look anything like the cantonese. I originally thought that it was a chinese version... Does arakawa use some sort of shorthand instead of the full characters?
kaizenyorii
so far as chinese goes "Chan" or "Chang" has about as much meaning as the english last names "Smith" or "Baker". i dont think theres any hidden meaning behind it, its just a common last name
Sensenic
QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Mar 16 2006, 02:43 AM) [snapback]363759[/snapback]

so far as chinese goes "Chan" or "Chang" has about as much meaning as the english last names "Smith" or "Baker". i dont think theres any hidden meaning behind it, its just a common last name

Bad example, actually, cuz both Smith and Baker have clear meanings: the first is some kind of craftsman (blacksmith, swordsmith...) and the second, someone who makes bread. tongue.gif
Tombow
QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Mar 15 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]363706[/snapback]
The kanji don't look anything like the cantonese. I originally thought that it was a chinese version... Does arakawa use some sort of shorthand instead of the full characters?
In raw version of manga, so far Arakawa sensei is using Japanese Katakana for all Xing names. happy.gif

QUOTE(bemused_non-alchemist @ Mar 15 2006, 08:39 AM) [snapback]363594[/snapback]
As for 梅 (mei), that's a bit easier; it's a type of flower which opens during winter, I forgot what it's called (not cherry blossoms, those open in spring).
That character means "plum." happy.gif
(BTW, that one is the only chinese character that shows up in the post. Others all look like a tiny square thingy on my computer.) sad.gif
bemused_non-alchemist
QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Mar 16 2006, 09:43 AM) [snapback]363759[/snapback]

so far as chinese goes "Chan" or "Chang" has about as much meaning as the english last names "Smith" or "Baker". i dont think theres any hidden meaning behind it, its just a common last name
Yeah, it's not like 林 (lin) which is a noun. (My surname! biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(Sensenic @ Mar 16 2006, 04:04 PM) [snapback]363948[/snapback]

Bad example, actually, cuz both Smith and Baker have clear meanings: the first is some kind of craftsman (blacksmith, swordsmith...) and the second, someone who makes bread. tongue.gif
biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Tombow @ Mar 16 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]363955[/snapback]

QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Mar 15 2006, 06:22 PM) [snapback]363706[/snapback]
The kanji don't look anything like the cantonese. I originally thought that it was a chinese version... Does arakawa use some sort of shorthand instead of the full characters?
In raw version of manga, so far Arakawa sensei is using Japanese Katakana for all Xing names.
So I gathered; this translation of Mei's name is my own.

QUOTE(Tombow @ Mar 16 2006, 05:00 PM) [snapback]363955[/snapback]

QUOTE(bemused_non-alchemist @ Mar 15 2006, 08:39 AM) [snapback]363594[/snapback]
As for 梅 (mei), that's a bit easier; it's a type of flower which opens during winter, I forgot what it's called (not cherry blossoms, those open in spring).
That character means "plum." happy.gif
(BTW, that one is the only chinese character that shows up in the post. Others all look like a tiny square thingy on my computer.) sad.gif
Oh noes! Actually I can't type Chinese on this com, so I go to www.yahoo.com.cn to search for the words I want, then I copy-paste it. XD You didn't miss anything important.
windxalchemist
I thought it was Chan, not Chang. But that's cool that I have Mei's last name. I'm not Chinese tho.
QUOTE(bemused_non-alchemist @ Mar 15 2006, 09:54 AM) [snapback]363594[/snapback]

Well, I guess there's 2 ways of translating it:

张梅 (pronounced zhang mei in han yu pin yin) OR 陈梅 (pronounced chen mei)

陈 (chen) in Cantonese is pronounced Chan, but 张 (zhang) sounds a bit more like Chan. Both are real surnames.

According to this dandy dictionary I currently have on my lap, 陈 means... well, it depends how it's used. It can mean old, or to arrange, or to narrate, or... it really depends. It's the same with 张. It can mean to open, to look, to open shop, and as a unit of measurement (a piece of paper, etc.)


There are, of course, other ways of translating it, but to me these 2 combinations sound the likeliest, and out of the 2 I prefer 张梅 (Zhang Mei). biggrin.gif


Yes, 张 is the cantonese way of writing Zhang/Chang/etc. If I were to write my name in cantonese, my surname would be 张.

-windxalchemist-
Archangel-Unmei
~ Question About Alchemy, About chimeras.... ~


Why did Ed and Al have to pay a huge price when they tried to transmute their mother, but Shou Tucker didn't when he transmuted Nina into a chimera? Is it just because Ed and Al were trying to raise the dead? But they say in several different places that alchemy on humans at all is forbidden. So why didn't Tucker lose a limb or something?

And if it is forbidden, why didn't the military takes steps to execute Tucker when they found out he'd used Nina? Did Scar just get to him first (they DID have him under house arrest...)?

Anyway, any help would be appreciated. It just confused me that one sort of 'human' alchemy would cost an arm and a leg, but another is completely 'okay'.

(And I know, this topic is more FMA general, but I couldn't think where else to put it...)
MonsterEnvy
One major reason is that the anime doesn't make a lot of sense most of the time.

If I have to take a guess?

Wait! See below first. Don't read the spoiler yet.

[spoiler]
I think that Tucker wasn't really human anymore. So, you can argue two things- either his 'lost limb' was losing his real body, or that because he isn't a human he can make human forms.

You could also argue that since he's making them out of other bits, it's not really human transmutation.

The military is under the control of a homunculus. It's not necessarily going to be that worried about human rights.
[/spoiler]


Ooooooh, I just reread your question. How far are you in the series? The above answer assumes that you've seen nearly all of it. If you've only just started, then post again and I'll answer that question.
sweety_pie
If you're not wanting to be spoiled don't read this. smile.gif

[spoiler]Ed lost his limbs to the gate.Tucker never even went to the gate.

The military made it seem like Tucker was exicuted, so he could help them do alchemic tests.But he wasn't actually exacuted.
The military was headed by a hummunculous, so he didn't really care about what was fobidden he just wanted Tucker to create a stone.

When Shou did tests on his daughter, and wife he was still human.[/spoiler]

Btw, welcome to fullmetal-alchemist.com,Archangel-Unmei, if you need to know anything about fma, or this site, I might be able to help you, just ask.
Archangel-Unmei
Yes, I know that, but my question is how. Why did Ed and Al doing human alchemy cost so much, but Tucker not?

And thanks! I've actually been lurking quite awhile!
MonsterEnvy
Which alchemy?

At the beginning, it's because Tucker isn't creating a human. There's nothing that says that you can't use humans as material.

That's quite important later on...
Archangel-Unmei
dry.gif Good point. I guess I'd never really quite thought about it like that before.
sweety_pie
Well, I geuss it was just bad luck for Ed, and Al that they lost their bodies.

And Tucker doing human alchemy, he lost his family, his saneness, and..well.. for the records his life.
When he did human alchemy he was sopposable exacuted so he could no longer have friends, or family he had left cause everyone thought he was dead.He had nothing but his clones, after doing human alchemy, so I think he did lose alot.
Archangel-Unmei
That's true too. Guess I just wasn't thinking broad enough. Thanks!
sweety_pie
Your'e welcome. smile.gif Do you have any other questions, you can ask me about the anime?

(Hey, I'm a Maes fangirl too.He's the best.I cried, alot while watching ep. 25.But I don't know what chap. it was in the manga)
Archangel-Unmei
I think I'm good for now! I'm attempting to write a fanfic set somewhere between the Nina incident and the manga 'episode 25', so I'm just trying to get it all untangled.
sweety_pie
Ok.
You should post your fan-fic when you finish it.I'm looking forword to read it I geuss.
If you do post it will you tell me?
Wyrd_Raven
Another thing to consider is that Alchemy for medical purposes is also OK to perform on humans. It won't help massive recovery unless you have a PS but it can be used in other cases.
simargl
The kind of human alchemy that Ed and Al did involved trying to insert the soul of a dead person into a new body. Basically, trying to raise the dead. Since humans are not Gods, they cannot retrieve souls, and shouldn't even try. That's why they paid the price.

Tucker's work involved fusing two living souls together. Since he already had all the materials he needed, he didn't need to open any door/gate.

I think Tucker got in trouble not because of what he did, but because he lied about it. The military were under the impression that he'd made a talking chimera with his awesome alchemy skills. The way he did it was just cheating and scaming the state, really.
blubbernuggetalchemist
Actually, i think i can answer that perfectly. Did you remeber the -
[spoiler]
monsters that he had in cages? i think he used them as sacrifices instead of using them for the actual
Chimera. ed and Al didnt have any thing to use as a sacrifice, probably because they didnt
know they would lose limbs/bodies. i also wonder if you are talking about the end of the series
when Tucker wasnt even human anymore. he was attempting to use Al when he was in the form of
the philosphers stone.
[/spoiler]

i think that explains in full detail.
Nepharski
[spoiler]I'm fairly certain Human Transmutations only refer to trying to create a Human soul, mind, and body. Fusing a human with an animal isn't quite the same thing, as you are taking to things that are already there and living and combining them, not creating a new soul, which would have erupted in Tucker seeing the Gate and the Truth.

Further on, in the Anime series anyway, I was under the impression that Tucker, being an expert on Chimeras, was trying to shape a Chimera that looked like his daughter, so he was just essentially genertically engineering an animal to look like a human, and then at the end he tries to use the Philosopher's Stone to bind a soul to it. The PS should allow these sorts of things. But, it didn't work, and he was left with a mindless doll that doesn't even qualify as a Humonculi.[/spoiler]
Reika
mmm are we talking about the manga or the anime?

In any case:

[spoiler] Because he wasn't trying to create anything,less a soul, he was mixing two "elements". As simple as that ^^ [/spoiler]
blubbernuggetalchemist
i dont know if you knew this but

[spoiler] he didnt try to shape a chimera that looked like his daughter, he tried to use his daugther in the chimera with his dog. [/spoiler]
Nepharski
QUOTE(blubbernuggetalchemist @ Jul 8 2006, 08:13 AM) [snapback]419752[/snapback]

i dont know if you knew this but

[spoiler] he didnt try to shape a chimera that looked like his daughter, he tried to use his daugther in the chimera with his dog. [/spoiler]

I knew that, but I was confused if we were discussing the Anime or the Manga. In any case
[spoiler]As Tucker didn't try to create a soul, only combine what was already there, he needn't pay a price.[/spoiler]
Slicer007
QUOTE(Archangel-Unmei @ Jun 28 2006, 09:44 PM) [snapback]417989[/snapback]

dry.gif Good point. I guess I'd never really quite thought about it like that before.




And remember, he already had a human to work with so all
he had to do was mix them!
Gozar
Hey, Ive got 3 questions. 2 of which are n00b'ish.

1. I'm pretty sure I know Ed & Al's Ages in the Manga, but I wanna make sure I'm right, so I figured I'll ask. It's like this, correct?:

Failed a Human Transmutation: 11 & 10
Ed Became a State Alchemist: 12 & 11
When The Storyline Begins: 15 & 14


Since up until a month ago I was mainly farmiliar with the Anime which has different ages and only owned the first few Manga volumes, I wanted to double check.


2. How many Volumes are currentley out in Japan right now? Also, how many chapters do those Volumes cover since it's likely the newest chapters (i.e. 69) have yet to be put into a Tankobon.


3. [Spoiler]I just got done with Volume 9 and am a huge obsesser when it comes to dramatic plot things. Is Lt. Ross really dead? I mean they had that whole thing going about hewr body being so messed by from Roy that you couldn't tell who it was except for dental records. So I just need to know, is she truley dead?[/Spoiler]


Thanks.
Tombow
@Gozar - The answers to those questions can be found elsewhere in this forum. ^^

For question 1, the time-line is posted on the first post of FMA Manga-Anime difference thread.

Question 2, Official FMA manga publications thread, page 1.
Currently Chapter 69 is the latest, and Vol. 16 contains up to chapter 65.

Question 3. No. If you keep reading following chapters, you will see. ^^

BTW, if you like, you can read English scanlated version up to Chapter 67 on Mangaviewer through our board.
To read them, Click on Manga on the left side of this page.
For chapters 35 and up, click on chapter 34, then click on the drop down menu at the top of the page, then scroll down the drop down menu to get to chapter 35 through 67. biggrin.gif


Hope that helps. ^^
BTW, I'll be closing down this thread in a while. smile.gif
Gozar
Thank you for the response. I'll make sure to look around in the future before asking questions.

I'll think about reading the Scanslations. But to be honest, I'm not a huge fan of that. I kinda enjoy waiting for new Volumes to release in America and see what happens next. smile.gif
Tombow
@Gozar - You got a strong will to hold out and wait for the volumes to come out in the U.S.!!
Anyway, the story gets better and better as chapters go along, so you will be in one awesome ride!! Enjoy!! biggrin.gif
And, hope to see your posts around!! ^^


ETA: Thread merged.
The random alchemist
Though I don't think this is worthy of having a topic but does anyone know the North American release of volume 13 and 14?

I look all over the place and I can't find the dates...
His Name is Unknown
Volume 13 is due on the 15 of May but volume 14 is not coming until August 21 sad.gif

These dates are according to Amazon, which is usually accurate within a week or so in my experience.
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