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Animeoldtimer
First time FMA manga readers, please post your thoughts and discussions on chapter 72 here. smile.gif

For info on the "Reading Reference", go to page 8.


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~ Chapter 72 Raw! ~

I'll leave the creative introduction to the chapter to the usual wonderful people!! biggrin.gif I just wanted to post a link to the new Fullmetal Alchemist Chapter 72:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/44vpsf
Megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R9ONKFO8


All I can say is ooooh, there will be MUCH talk! Wow!



<Last edited by Michiyo- on Oct. 16, 2011>
Tombow
@Animeoldtimer - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! biggrin.gif
*goes to DL*

~ Chapter 72 Spoiler Party! With "page by page" summary/translation!! ~

I'll go ahead and open the Spoiler Party thread. Feel free to go ahead with the discussions!! biggrin.gif
(Where is Nepharski this month?? unsure.gif )

The page by page summary for Chapater 72!!

Chapter 72: "Vicious Circle, and the One Stone (that Might Brake the Chain of Hate.")

(Please read the page summaries below for pages 34, 35, 38, & 39 to understand this chapter's title. smile.gif )

Page 1: The chapter starts with Hawkeye walking back to her apartment.

Page 2: As she enters her dark apartment, she was startled by two beast-like eyes in the dark, only to learn a moment later that they belong to Black Hayate. Pride's words echoe in her head: "I will be watching you from the shadow, always."

Page 3: Still being shaken, Riza sits on the floor and repeats to herself: "It will be be fine. It will be fine." The phone rings, startling her with the sound of bell. Riza answers the phone: "Hello."

Page 4: Voice on the phone: "Thank you for your repeated patronage! This is your favorite flower shop!!" Riza: "I don't have any favorite flower shop!!" Roy: "Yeah sorry, I got drunk and bought some large quantity of flowers. I thought maybe you could help me distpense some away." Recognizing Roy's voice, Riza let out a small sigh of relief. Roy catches it and asks: "What's wrong?"

Page 5: Roy: "Anything happened?" Riza: "No, nothing." Roy: "I see. Are you sure?" Riza: "Yes. Nothing. Thank you, but I do not have a vase. Thank you for asking me for the flowers, Colonel." As she hangs up the phone, Hayate makes a small arf to gently catch Riza's attention. Riza sees Hayate.

Page 6: Holding Black Hayate, Riza talks to Hayate: "How come he is good with the timing with this kind of stuff??" At the other end of the phone, Roy wonders what is going on with Riza.
Chapter 72: "Vicious Circle, and the One Stone (that Might Brake the Chain of Hate.")

Page 7: The scene changes to the North. Ed and Al are talking with Marcho. Al: "It has been a long time, Dr. Marcho." Ed: "Thanks for the info back then." Marcho: "I haven't done anything to be thanked. Have you researched the Philosophers Stone?" Ed: "Yeah, learned how to create also."

Page 8: Ed: "With that, we've learned other things also.... about how this country was come about, about something being wrong on our Alchemy (Renkinjitsu.)" Marcho and Mei listen to Ed attentively, while Yoki stands there clueless. (Note: XDD) Ed continues: "Then we eyed on Xing's Rentanjitsu for a new possibilities for the solution, and chased Mei here." Marcho: "Nicely done, as I expected of you. It is reassuring to have you two here. This research note, Rentanjitsu, and if we can add Scar's knowledge (of the old language).."

Page 9: The mention of Scar's name reminded Ed and Al.. Al: "Scar!?" Ed: "That's right, we're searching for Scar.." Just then, they hear a loud noise. They look out from the windows. Marcho: "What was that noise?" Ed: "Don't know. Winry, Dr. Marcho and others, stay hidden. We'll go and check it out." Al: "The Northern Army is here searching for Scar, they might have found him."
Ed and Al leaves Winry, Mrcho, Mei and the other in the building and go out.

Page 10: Winry mutters to herself: "Scar is here..."
The scene changes. Scar is fighting against two chemiras that are Kimbley's guard solders. A fat chimera Scar is fighting moves agile and avoid Scar's attack easily. The fat chimera: "Woops!!" Scar: "Muh, the fatty is agile!!"

Page 11: The fat chimera jumps up in the air, inhales, then spits out gooey saliva targeted to Scar. Scar moves to avoid. From the side, another chimera shoots out spines from his body. Scar barely escapes being hit by them.

Page 12: The fat chimera: "Your technique is not effective if we avoid getting into "the flesh to flesh" contact with you. If we attack rapidly from the distance, both from the above and from the ground, you can't attack us. And..." As Scar raises his right arm to hit the ground, the fat chimera shoots out the sticky goo, and it covers Scar's hand just as it touches the floor, gluing his hand to the floor. The fat chimera: " ..And, we've already researched your habit of destroying our foothold when you want to break through the deadlock."

Page 13: The other chimera shoots out more spines towards immobilized Scar, some of the spine(s) tore(s) through Scar's left arm, and Scar let out a scream. The spiny chimera: "We'll avoid getting close to you, and attack you persistently from this distance." "We'll torn you up, and hand you over to Mr. Kimbley."
Just then, Ed and Al walk in. Ed: "Oops, we walked into here in such a right timing, huh??"

Page 14: Chimeras look at Ed and Al: "Oh? Elric brothers?" Al: "Scar is already being captured. ~Lucky!!" Ed: "But these..." Ed looks at the chimera wearing the military uniform. Ed thinking: Blue Military uniforms. They are the Kimbley's entourage from the Central. Heh, that's a troublesome situation. Al thinking: They were chimeras!
The spiny chimera talks to Ed and Al: "You are arriving late. We've seize Scar now, and...." Before he finishes his sentence Al and Ed attack him "Gaaahh!! Grotesque monster!!"

Page 15: The spiny chimera: "Wh, wh, what are you doing!!??" We are your allies..." Al punches him further before he could finish the sentence: "I don't know of any allies who look freaky and UN-human like you!!" Ed: "They must be pretending to be allies and planning to eat us!! Look at those tasks!!" Al: "The fat one behind has a huge mouth, too!! He could swallow me whole!!"
The fat chimera shoots out the saliva goo at Ed and Al: "You brats!! Stay quiet there for a moment!!" Ed easily ducks the flying goos.

Page 16: While the fat chimera stands there in disbelief that Ed has easily ducked his goo attack, Ed lands punches on him. The fat chimera: "Brat!! He might be faster than Scar!!?" Ed is pleased, and grins hugely.

Page 17: Ed's grin turns to hysterical laughters. Al: "Wh..what is it, brother??" Ed: "BWAHAHAHA!!" The fat chimera: "What's this!! I can't catch him!!" Ed lands a body blow on him, and the fat chimera falls down on the floor.

Page 18: Ed happily dances around. "It feels light!! It feels light!! My leg and arm feel feathery light!! The cold weather Automails are great!! (Note: yay, it rhymed!! XD) Hahaha.. ahhh!"
Al: "Your body is having a hard time adjusting the balance because all of a sudden your Automails are much lighter." Ed loses his balance and falls down. Al: Idiot.."
Meantime, the fat chimera gets up again. The fat chimera: "You!! Don't think you can make a fool out of me!!" Ed: "Aw. My punching power got lighter as well." As Ed is pondering about his new "lighter" punching power, the fat chimera's saliva goo hits Ed's right arm. The fat chimera: "Gwahahaha!! My saliva is hard to come off." Ed: "Slaver? That's gross!!"

Page 19: Ed switches to using his Alchemy to fight chimeras: "If that's slaver... then if I deconstruct, that's mostly water!!" Ed catches some of the fat chimera's saliva goo, deconstruct, then spray the water back at the fat chimera's back.

Page 20: The fat chimera: "Hya, cold!! You!! What did you put on me!!?" Ed: "Take this!!" Ed pushes Al's frigid metal armor body against the fat chimera's wet back: "'Tongue on a frozen metal pole' attack!!" Al is mad: "What was that for, brother!!??" While the fat chimera screams as his skin is peeled off as he tries to get off from Al's metal armor: "Ouch!!!! My skin is getting peeled off!! Arrrrgh!!!" The spiny chimera sends off his spines flying towards Ed, catching Ed off guard who barely escapes the flying spines. Ed: "Whoa!!! The spiny chimera: "Don't interfere our job, Fullmetal Alchemist!!"

Page 21: The spiny chimera: "By logic, you're supposed to act as our allies!!" Ed: "Shut up, hog!! I don't have anyone who looks like you as my acquaintances!! You are definitely not human!! You are exploding with dubiousness!! You totally look enemy characters!! Show me the evidence that you're my allies!!" The spiny chimera: "Oh I will!! I'll change my form now, you'd better watch..." As the spiny chimera tucks back in his spines inside his body, Ed kicks and knocks him down: "I was waiting for this moment!! You're such a fool to put away all the weapons in front of your enemy!!!" Meantime the fat chimera is still stuck to Al's armor. The fat chimera: "Ouch!! Get away from me!!" Al: "Ah, yes, yes..."

Page 22: Al chokes the fat chimera to put him to sleep. Fat chimera: "Ugh!" Al: "Sleep for a while, will you??" (Note: Wow, Volcan!Al!! XD ) Meantime, Scar frees himself by burning off the fat chimera's sticky goo that was gluing his hand to the floor. Scar: "The Dog of the Military has chased me up here again, uh? Ed sees Scar has freed himself: "Geh!! He's recovered again!!" Ed moves to the fighting distance to Scar: "Go get captured already!!" Al: "You should present yourself before the authority and receive the judgment." Scar answers: "I will eliminate anyone who would interfere.."

Page 23: Ed: "I see." Ed makes first move. Scar catches Ed's right arm that was thrust before him. Scar: "Coming straight at me without even a single thought, how foolish!! I'll take that Fullmetal Arm!!" Scar catches Ed's arm and try to deconstruct, but it fails. Ed: "That was a decoy."

Page 24: Ed, while holding Scar's Right arm, attacks his leg with his Automail leg. Scar stumbles in pain. Ed and Al proceed to perform Alchemy, but Scar blasts off the floor Ed and Al are standing on with his Alchemy before Ed and Al can finish theirs, sending Ed and Al flying.

Page 25: Ed and Al are on the floor with rubbles, Scar moves in to finish off.
Just then, they all see Winry staring at Scar. Winry's and Scar's eyes meet. Scar freezes.

Page 26: Seeing an opening, Ed and Al attack Scar simultaneously, then construct handcuffs to hold Scar on the floor. After containing Scar securely, Ed screams at Winry: "You idiot!! Why did you come here??!!"

Page 27: Just as Winry is about to speak up, Miles stops her: "Stay back." Miles and his solders enter the building, and see the chimeras on the floor. Solder A: "Whoa!! What is this thing?!! Ed: "Major Miles.." Solder: "Major, what are they??" Miles: "Hm, Blue Military uniforms.. Must be the ones came from the Central. As we suspected, the higher-ups must have been conducting some outrageous experiments.."

Page 28: Al and Ed act as if they've never known this. Al: "They are Kimbley's entourage??" Ed: "I've never noticed it!" Miles: "Be at ease. You don't have to lie to us. Major General Armstrong and myself are all on your side." Al : "Ah? I thought you turned to General Raven's side!!??" Miles: "That.. General Raven.. he has been missing in action. It's a troublesome situation." Ed: "Missing?" Miles doesn't speak any further of this, and turns to the solder and gives out orders. Miles: "Those Blue uniforms, keep them tied up."

Page 29: Miles turns to Scar, with solders guarding him at gunpoints. Miles: "Well, Scar.. It is painful to send my own people to sit in the judgment, but we can't let a person like you roam around freely and doing as he pleases." Scar: "Own people?" Miles ignores that and turns to Ed and Al: "Elric brothers, appreciate your cooperations for capturing Scar. We'll take care of the rest... !!' As Miles speaks, Winry quietly approaches Scar. Ed and Al try to stop her. Al: "Winry!!" Ed: "Idiot!! Don't go near him!!"

Page 30: Winry: "Please let me go. I'll be ok." Ed: "It is not going to be ok!!" Miles:" Miss, stay afar!!" Winry: "Let me talk to him... I have been wanting to talk to him.. face to face." Winry
asks Scar: "Why have you killed my father and mother?"

Page 31: As everyone watches, including Marcho and Mei hiding nearby, Scar speaks: "Anything I say now will be excuses. I killed Doctors named Rockbells. That's a fact. I have no right to say anything in my defense for this. But you, girl, you have the right to make the judgment on me."

Page 32: Winry tears off a piece of cloth for the bandage, and approaches Scar: "Your arm, if left like that you could die from loss of blood." Ed: "Winry!!"

Page 33: Winry applies bandage to Scar's arm: "(I'm doing this) Because I think my father and mother would have done the same. My father and mother had saved your life. That must have some meaning."
Scar: "Are you saying.. you forgive me?"

Page 34: Winry: "Don't misunderstand!! I'm not forgiving the unjust you've done!" Winry's words causes Scar to recall the conversation he had with his teacher.....
Master: "We must endure." Scar: "Are you telling me to forgive what the Amestris Army has done?" Master: "Do not misunderstand. 'To endure' is not the same with 'to forgive.' You should not forgive the unjust in this world. You must maintain the sense of rage against the unjust. Nonetheless, you must endure. Someone must sever the chain of hatred."

Page 35: Scar's flashback continues and Master's words go on, followed by his brother's words..
Scar's Master: "If you let your anger controls you, then you are no more different than animals. You should never degenerate down to the way of animals. Even if the whole world would deny the existence of Ishivalans, we still should remain 'humans'." In the flashback, Scar's brother takes on: "Gather enough negative emotions, and the world would be filled with the tide of hatred. Conversely, if we gather enough positive emotions, we could turn the world into one filled with the tide of justice."
Winry finishes applying the bandage and quietly walks away. A solder asks to Miles: "Shall we contact the headquarter?" Miles: "Yeah."

Page 36: Ed and Al look at Winry with thoughts for her, yet unable to put in words: "...." Winry speaks and breaks the silence: "I'm ok. I'm not gonna cry. I promised myself that the next time I'll cry, that will be a cry of happiness." Before Ed takes Winry away, Ed speaks to Scar: "Hey, Scar!!"

Page 37: Ed: "This is how Winry thinks, and I respect that. But, if it were up to us, we would want to punch you up and drag you in front of the Rockbell's grave." Scar takes Ed's words in silence. After Ed takes away Winry, Scar speaks to Miles: "Miles.. that is your name, right? May I ask you one thing?" Miles: "What?" Scar: "You said I was 'your people' " Miles: "That's right. My grandfather was an Ishivalan. I wish we did not have to meet like this, red-eyed brother."

Page 38: Scar: "Then, why someone with Ishivalan blood in his vain would assist Ameristris Army?" Miles: "To change people's consciousness toward Ishivalans, from inside." Scar: "I do not think their mind would change that easily." Miles: "That's right. I don't know how long it would take. But, I believe there is something I could do, particularly because of my mixed blood."

Page 39: Miles continues: "I see myself as an Ishivalan stone casted into the Amestris Army. Tiny ripples caused by this small stone could eventually become big circles of waves. Ironically, the person who had helped me realize that it would be worth for me to inject my whole life here in this Army was... a pure Amestrisian." Scar takes his turn to speak: "I am a pus called 'hatred' that is the product of that civil war. I do not pray to the god, nor reflect and ponder about my life. A pus like me should rot and disappear into the gutter without being saved by god, as it should for any pus. That would be more of a life suitable for someone like me."

Page 40: Scar adds the last words: "I'm glad to know there is someone like you."
Miles contacts the search party headquarter. Miles: "Headquarter?... this is Miles. .. We found Scar inside the building D-5. We are holding him there. Send backups." Kembley hears the report by Miles.

Page 41: The solder at the search party HQ speaks with Miles on the wireless: "Building D-5, correct? What is the landmark?" Miles at the other end: "We'll light a flare"
As Kimbley and solders head out from the HQ building, winds blow hard outside. A solder: "Mr. Kimbley, this does not look good. The weather is changing. We are going to have a rough weather soon." Kimbley answers: "Hurry, then!!"
Miles hears the report from the headquarter on wireless. A solder on wireless at the HQ: "Mr. Kimbley and the team are heading your way. Continue holding him there." "Roger." Miles talks to Scar: "No matter what the circumstances were for you, I can not let you go free. You should present yourself before the authority, and receive your judgment." Miles then turns to Winry: "Miss, you should hurry and leave here. Else you might get caught by Kimbley again."

Page 42: As Miles speaks to Winry, Marcho and Mei appear before Miles, Scar, and solders.
Marcho: "Please wait! Please do not take away that man!" Miles: "Who are you?"
As Kimbley and his team of solders approach the building where Scar is being held, there is an explosion in the building.

Page 43: Kimbley: "What was that?" Solder: "That is the building where Major Miles is (holding Scar)!" Ed pops up, (apparently) being thrown and lands few yards from Kimbley and his solders. Ed: "Bwah!!" Kimbley: "Fullmetall Alchemist??" Ed appears fuming mad: "You, Kimbley!! Why haven't you been keeping an close eye on Winry-chan at the headquarter!!?"

Page 44: Top of the building, a man appears, with Winry on his arm. Kimbley looks up: "!!"
The caption reads: "Scar, and on his arm, Winry!!"

(End of chapter 72)
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Continues to chapter 73, coming out on Thursday, July 12.



ETA: I probably still have some moinor typos and other corrections, but otherwise, this is more or less done. ^^
Sensenic
QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ Jun 12 2007, 06:55 AM) *
I'll leave the creative introduction to the chapter to the usual wonderful people!! biggrin.gif I just wanted to post a link to the new Fullmetal Alchemist Chapter 72:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/44vpsf
Megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R9ONKFO8


All I can say is ooooh, there will be MUCH talk! Wow!


m(__)m Thanks!



So many weird perspectives in this chapter. And so many cool poses, specially by Ed.

A visually, uh... original, diferent chapter.

Gotta love the end "cliffhanger". Ed and Al keep foolin' poor Kimbley so easily... too easily perhaps? Will he fall for it every time? Or will Wrath notice once Kimbley reports?

Hummm.....
Reta McClain
*is in her quiet corner fangirling; Winry, Ed, Edwin, Marcoh, Scar, Riza, Roy, the fact that Ed is now taller than Winry, their new plan to mess with Homunculi's plans and the whole chapter in general*

Rar, I want the scanlatiooooooooooooon~~~~~~~~

Happy Royai Day from me too! biggrin.gif (The beginning of the chapter is Royai, right?)
Night Shadow Alchemist
thanks alot wink.gif
AA battery
thx ^^
The Mad Bomber
darn, now I can`t wait for the next one.... Throughout all of the episode I wondered. WhereTheF is Kimblee? Well there ought to be a big fight in the next one between Scar and Kimblee I guess, but the english translations would be nice to know what the whole talk there was about biggrin.gif
AA battery
Short comments

Is it just me or did this chapter felt like Dragon Ball for a sec? (remember that at the beginning of Dragon Ball, there's this monster that can split out sticky saliva? And the later in DBZ this other dude that can split out saliva that can turn people into stone...)

And it certainly seems that Winry's technique really improved a lot! Ed's speed certainly increased a lot biggrin.gif

And when I read the last page... OMG A TRAP? It must be some sort of scam between Ed's side and Scar's side... I seriuosly don't think Scar is "evil" enough to kidnap Winry like that.

*back to studying x_X*
TheRainbowConnection
Scanlation, translation, come to meeeeeeee! sad.gif

I summon Tombow, with the power of Japanese!
Night Shadow Alchemist
if only i could read it.......
Amethyst Sunset
I just came from my first day in college, but we didn't do much in our first Japanese class except a little briefing. XDDDDD Dang, I wanted to at least understand bits of it...

Oh well. *waits for translation*

But the Royai moment...it beats all. And the scene where Winry bandages Scar is cute...I mean, this could be the start of a beautiful friendship between them, no? XD
paca
thanks!!!!! smile.gif *goes to dl*
Tombow
@TheRainbowConnection and others... I'll work on the summary as soon as my connection gets better.. ^^
Amethyst Sunset
Tombow, you rock. ^^ I promise that when I do start Japanese I can help you translate. biggrin.gif
Porgand
I couldn't understand a thing but I laughed so much while reading it, the expressions were hilarious!


And OMGWTF Ed IS taller than Winry! He's gone trough quite a growth spurt it seems.
Amethyst Sunset
Well, as for Ed's growth spurt...

Better late than never? XD
Reta McClain
QUOTE(Amethyst Sunset @ Jun 12 2007, 03:41 PM) [snapback]551712[/snapback]
Well, as for Ed's growth spurt...

Better late than never? XD

My thoughts exactly biggrin.gif

Now he just needs to ask her out XD

[offtopic]Oooh, you're studying Japanese? Cool, I know only the hiraganas and the katakanas and I don't remember even half of them XD[/offtopic]

I love the last panel, by the way. It looks cool tongue.gif Scar's face is hidden in shadows and he looks so evil...

*settles to wait for Tombow's summary and/or CSakuraS(sp?) to start translating*
Amethyst Sunset
I think it's not just the Royai fans who are rejoicing...also the Edwin fans. XD

Mmm...evil Scar. XD What if he kills Kimblee like in the anime?

OFF-TOPIC PLUG: Haven't even started yet. XDDDD We'll start this Friday, methinks.
The Mad Bomber
QUOTE(Amethyst Sunset @ Jun 12 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]551727[/snapback]
What if he kills Kimblee like in the anime?


That is painfully obvious and unavoidable unless there is some further use for Kimblee in the plot (there better be a greater purpose for him in the manga since the character already far more better)

Unless Scar escapes with Winry so that Winry couldn`t be used as a hostage against the elrics
Reta McClain
QUOTE(Amethyst Sunset @ Jun 12 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]551727[/snapback]
I think it's not just the Royai fans who are rejoicing...also the Edwin fans. XD

Mmm...evil Scar. XD What if he kills Kimblee like in the anime?

OFF-TOPIC PLUG: Haven't even started yet. XDDDD We'll start this Friday, methinks.

Of course we are rejoicing! *shocked* Royai is all nice and dandy but my ultimate love is Edwin wub.gif

Kimbley could die from Scar's hand *thoughtful* Well, they could kill each other though that would take off some very interesting characters. (I heard something along the lines that Arakawa-sensei is going to reveal Scar's real name. Does anyone know if it is true?)

[offtopic] Well, that is still sooner than with me biggrin.gif The earliest I could start studying Japanese with professionals is over a year and that only if I go to right school rolleyes.gif
HisshouBuraiKen
~ Chapter 72 Raw/translation, Grab all the goodies ~


Speed scans now up at:
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Page 0:
Side: Trembling, Hawkeye walks home. A woman who once made her living in the shadows now finds herself terrified by them.

All SFX except the last panel: Step

Last panel SFX: Creeeee

Page 1:
SFX: Shing

SFX: Gasp

SFX: Click
Hawkeye: Wheeeeew
SFX: Slam

Pride: I'll be watching you...from the shadows.

Page 2:
SFX: Sniff sniff
Hawkeye: It's okay.
It's okay...

SFX: Brrrrrrrrrring
Hawkeye SFX: Twitch

SFX: Brrrrrrrrrrrring

SFX: Brrrrrrrrrrrring

SFX: Click
Hawkeye: ....Hello?

Page 3:
Mustang: Evening, Miss. This is your favorite florist
making a courtesy call.

Hawkeye: I don't HAVE a favorite florist.
Mustang: Yeah, sorry.

I got really tanked and bought a ton of flowers.

Think you could do me a favor and take some off my hands?
Small Hawkeye text: Whew...

Mustang: What's wrong?

Page 4:
Mustang: Did something happen?

Hawkeye: No.
Nothing.

Yeah?
You sure?

Hawkeye: Everything's fine, sir.
I'm sorry, though. I don't have any vases or pots here.

I appreciate your calling me,
Colonel.

SFX: Click

Hayate: Arf?

Page 5:
SFX: Pat Pat

Hawkeye: How does he manage to have such good timing?

Title: Negative Consequences - Positive Measures

Page 6:
SFX: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Al: It's been a while, Dr. Marcoh.
Ed: Thanks for helping us out last time.

Marcoh: Don't mention it...I haven't done anything to deserve your thanks.

Did you research
the Philosopher's Stone?

Ed: Yeah.
We learned how to make it.

Page 7:
Ed: And from there, we were able to figure out a lot of things.

Something's strange about this country's origins
and its alchemy.

We thought Xing's Rentanjutsu had a lot of potential to help us, so we started looking for May.

Marcoh: Well done.
I feel more reassured now that you two are here as well.

We have these research files
and Rentanjutsu,
now all we need is Scar.

Page 8:
Al: Scar?
Ed: That's right...we need to find him.

SFX: KABOOM

Marcoh: What was that?
Al: Dunno...

Ed: Winry, Dr. Marcoh, May. You three stay here.
We'll go check it out.

Al: The Northern Soldiers are up here looking for Scar, too.
They may have already found him.

SFX: Crunch crunch crunch

Page 9:
Winry: Scar...

SFX: BAM BAM BAM BAM
SKRRK

WHIFF WHIFF
Todaie: Whoa!

SFX: Swish

Scar: Nng...
This fat lump is quick!

Page 10:
Toadie: Sssssss

PTHOOOO

SFX: Splat splat splat

Warthog: Hrrrrgh...

HAH!

SFX: Swip swip swip swip swip

Page 11:
Todaie: We know all about you...your attacks only work if you can touch us directly!

SFX: Swing

SFX: Splat splat splat
Toadie: And if we alternate attacking from a distance, you won't have a chance to close the gap!

And finally!
SFX: PTHOOOIE

SFX: SPLAT

Toadie: We're very aware of your habit of destroying the floor when a fight's not going your way.
SFX: Yank yank

Page 12:
SFX: Stab stab
Scar: Rrrrrrrgh!

Warthog: Now all I have to do is keep attacking from over here.

After I slice you up a little more, I'll drag your half-dead body to Mr. Kimblee.

SFX: Step
Ed: Hoooo boy.

We sure have good timing, don't we?

Page 13:
Warthog: Eh?
The Elric Brothers?

Ed: They caught Scar.
Niiiiiiiice...

Wait...

Blue Uniforms...
They must've come from Central...Kimblee's guys.
.......

Al: They were Chimeras?

Warthog: You're a little late.
We've already apprehended Sca-

Ed/Al: Aaaaah! It's a monster!
SFX: THWATHWACK

Page 14:
Warthog: What the hell are you doing?! We're your allie-

Al: We're not working with any inhuman freaks!
SFX: CLONG

Ed: This is scary! They're acting like our friends so they can eat us!
Al: That fatso back there has such a big mouth! He'll swallow us whole!
Small text: Look at those fangs!
Eeek!

Toadie: You stupid kids!
Settle down!

SFX: Pthoooie

SFX: Splat splat splat
Dash dash dash
Ed/Al: Whoooooooah!
Huh?

SFX: Swish

Page 15:
Toadie: Wha-

SFX: Wham wham wham
Toadie: -t the hell!?

SFX: CRACK

Toadie: This friggin' kid...
he's even faster than scar.
SFX: Crack crack

Ed: Tee
Hee

Page 16:
Ed: Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee!
Al: Uhh...What's so funny, brother?

Ed: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
SFX: Ptheh Ptheh Ptheh Ptheh Ptheh

Toadie: What the f*!@?
I can't hit him!

SFX: Ssssssss

SFX: SMASH
Toadie: GHRGHL

THUD

Page 17:
Ed: It's light! It's sooooo light!
My arms and legs feel like they've turned into wings!
Frigid-weather automail is sweet!

WahahahahahaWHAAAAA?
SFX: Wobble wobble wobble
THUD

Al: The lighter metals are throwing off your balance,
dumbass.

Toadie: You little .......
SFX: Step.

Ed: Ahh.
My punches must've gotten lighter, too...

SFX: PTHOO
SPLAT

Toadie: Hahaha! My mucus won't come off that easy!
SFX: Drip drip
Ed: SNOT?! GROSS!!

Page 18:
Ed: But if this is snot...
SFX: CLAP

PTHOO PTHOO PTHOO PTHOO

SKRRRK

CRACKLE
Ed: then it's mostly made of water!

Toadie: Nuhuh?!
SFX: Splash

Page 19:
Toadie: It's cold...
Damn you...what'd you do?!

Ed: Eat this!
SFX: Dash

CLANG
Ed: The "Wet tongue gets stuck to a frozen flagpole" attaaaaaaaaack!
SFX: KABONG

Al: What the hell was that, brother?!
Toadie: OWOWOWOWOWOW!!
MY SKIN'S STUCK TO YOU! GAAAAAAAGH!
SFX: Tug tug
Rip rip

SFX: Stab stab stab
Ed: Ack!

Warthog: Stop getting in our way, Fullmetal Alchemist!

Page 20:
Warthog: I knew it! You were just pretending to be our allies!
Ed: Shut your mouth, you stupid pig! I've never seen you before in my life!

You're clearly not human, you caused all those huge explosions, and...you look like an enemy! If you're an ally, prove it!
SFX: And this!
and that!
Warthog: FINE, I WILL!
SFX: Tooooot

Just let me change back, then you'll-

Ed: SUCKER!
SFX: THUNK

You never lower your weapon in front of an enemy, little piggy.

Toadie: Let...me...go!
Ow ow ow-
Al: Oh yeah.

Page 21:
SFX: Crick
Toadie: Bgh-

SFX: Slump
Al: Take a nap.

SFX: CRACKLE

Scar: More of the army's dogs have sniffed me out, eh?
Ed: Ch.
SFX: Crackle, Thud

Ed: He's recovered...

This has gone on long enough! We're taking you in!
Al: It's time to pay for your crimes, Scar!

Scar: Those in my way will be struck down.
SFX: Skrack

Page 22:
Ed: Oh yeah?

SFX: Dash, Swish

Scar: Charging straight in without even thinking.
You fool!

That steel arm of yours
is mine now!

SFX: PUNCH

Ed: Gotcha.

Page 23:
SFX: CRACK

Hop hop

Clap

SLAAM

Page 24:
Ed: Fu-

SFX: Skidddd

Page 25:
SFX: BAM!

Craccckle

Wrap

Ed: You moron!! What the hell are you doing here?!

Page 26:
SFX: Grab

Miles: Stay back.
SFX: Step step

Soldier: W-what the heck?!
Ed: Major Miles...

Soldier: Major, sir. Take a look.
Miles: Huh-

Blue uniforms...These are the guys from Central.
The upper eschelons must be conducting some crazy experiments.

Page 27:
Al: They were Kimblee's bodyguards?
Ed: Well, I'll be darned!
SFX: Blink

Miles: Relax. You don't have to play dumb for me.
Major General Armstrong, myself, and everyone else in the fort are on your side.

Al: Huh?
She's not working with General Raven?

Miles: General Raven has mysteriously disappeared.
Quite a situation.

Ed: Disappeared?
Miles: Tie those things up.

Page 28:
Miles: Your time has come, Scar.

It pains me to have to arrest my kinsman, but you cannot be allowed to live.

Scar: Kinsman?

Miles: Elrics.
You have my thanks for capturing Scar.

We'll take it from here.
SFX: Step

Al: Winry!!
Ed: Get away from him, you idiot!!

Page 29:
Winry: Let me go.
It's okay.
Ed: It is NOT okay!!
Miles: Miss, step away, please!

Winry: Let me talk to him.

I've wanted to talk to him, face to face, for so long.

Why did you kill my parents?

Page 30:
Scar: ......Anything I could possibly say would just be an excuse.

I killed the Rockbells...the doctors...the husband and wife.

I have no more right to speak about my actions.

But you, young woman.
You have every right to take your revenge on me.

Page 31:
SFX: Rrrip

Winry: Your arm.
You'll bleed to death if we don't bandage it.
Ed: Winry!!

Page 32:
SFX: Tie

Winry: This is what my mom and dad would have done...
SFX: Tighten

Winry: ...If they were still alive today.

That has to count for something.

Scar: Are you...
forgiving me?

Page 33:
Winry: Get real.
I could never forgive a monster like you.

Master: You must endure.

Scar: Are you telling me to forgive the army?!
Master: Don't get the wrong idea.
"Enduring" and "Forgiving" are two very different things.

We can never forgive the atrocities committed against us.
We have every right to be angry.

But we must endure that anger.
Someone has to be the one to stand up and sever these bonds of hatred.

Page 34:
Master: If one lets his rage control him, he's no better than an animal.
Even if the world rejects Ishval and its people, we are still humans.
We must not fall to that level.

Brother: If too many people let these negative emotions take hold of them, eventually the world will become a river of hate.
But if we let them go, and hold on to positive emotions instead, the world will become a river of justice, and peace.

SFX: Tie

Soldier: Shall I contact HQ?
Miles: Yeah.

Page 35:
Winry: I'm okay.
I won't cry.

Remember? We promised that the next time I cried, it'd be because I was happy.

Ed: Hey Scar.

Page 36:
Ed: Winry is how she is.

But if it were up to us, we'd pound your face into a bunch of wet chunks, and drag your dead [All hail lord Xenu] to Mr. & Mrs Rockbell's grave.

Scar: You...Miles, right?
I have a question for you.

Miles: What?

Scar: You called me your "kinsman", did you not?
Miles: I did.
I lived in Ishval during our grandfathers' time.

Too bad we had to meet like this,
my red-eyed brother. [H: He's being figurative. They're not blood related.]

Page 37:
Scar: Why is an Ishvalan conspiring with the Amestris Military?

Miles: I'm working from the inside to change this country's perception of Ishval and its people.

Scar: I think you'll find people don't change so easily.
MileS: True.
There's no telling how long it might take.

But if anyone can do something, it's a bi-racial person like me.

Page 38:
Miles: This body of mine is just a small measure of Ishval that was poured into the Amestris military.
But even adding a small measure of something quickly results in a large ripple.

And ironically, the person who showed me that it would be worth it to serve in the military
was a pure-blooded Amestrisan.

Scar: The hatred that was born in me during the war has reduced me to little more than a festering pus.
I do not pray...I do not reconsider the path I've taken.

Pus is not saved by God...pus oozes and rots...and is eventually washed down the drain.

Page 39:
Scar: I'm glad there are still people like you.

Miles: HQ?
This is Miles.
SFX: ~~~~~~~~~ (talking)

We've found Scar and are trying to delay him.
He's in a large building, section D-5.
We need backup!

Page 40:
Operator: D-5?
What's it look like?

Miles: It's the one with smoke pouring out.

Soldier: This looks bad, Mr. Kimblee.

The wind has changed.
We're in for some rough weather.

Kimblee: Then hurry!

Operator: Kimblee's Team is on its way.
Keep stalling him.
Miles: Roger that.
SFX: HYUUOOOOOOO

Regardless of our circumstances, I can't allow you to go free.
We're taking you in, and you're going to pay for your crimes.

Miss, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
We can't let Kimblee make you his captive again.

Page 41:
Marcoh: Pl-Please, wait!

Please, don't take that man away yet!

Miles: Explain yourself!

SFX: KABOOOOOM

Page 42:
Soldiers: What the hell was that?!
That must be where Major Miles is!

SFX: SLAM
Ed: UAAARGH!

Kimblee: Fullmetal Alchemist?
Ed: Ow...Kimblee?! You son of a b*tch!

Why didn't you keep a closer eye on Winry?!

Page 43:
SFX: WHOOOOOOOOOOO
Text: Winry has fallen into Scar's hands!
I am not SHORT!
YES!!!! THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO! MUCH now i can translate it!!!
The Mad Bomber
Thanks, that explained somethings....
Amethyst Sunset
Thanks so much for the translation! happy.gif Well, now we really know what's going on...
TheRainbowConnection
Thank you! smile.gif
Reta McClain
O.O

*faints*

Arigatou!
Chiisana
Holy jes-- Arigatou!!! >w<
Lady Dragoon
Thank you! Now I have a clue on what is going on.

(And didn't have to wait for a scanlation).

So, thank you again. biggrin.gif

*giggles* Oh some parts of this chapter were freaking funny. XD

(Oh dear, Ed name one of his attacks. XD)

...yay! Ed got taller! (...He going to be happy when he finds out.)

*stares at the end* OH ****!
TheRainbowConnection
A (temporary) unholy alliance between Briggs, the Elrics, and Scar? Say it ain't so!

It is a cunning plan, though, if Scar could be trusted absolutely. And given his exchange with Winry, I think that he can be trusted to at least keep her safe and out of Kimblee's hands.

Kimblee: OWNED

P.S. Did it seem like Al killed the fat dude in the chapter? It definitely looked like he broke his neck. If he tried to make him black out, the dude's body would have automatically resumed breathing and woken up once Al let go. Maybe Al has some super-ninja powers of knocking people out by strangling them. Hardcore.

QUOTE (Lady Dragoon @ Jun 12 2007, 11:49 AM) *
Thank you! Now I have a clue on what is going on.

(And didn't have to wait for a santransation(sp?).

So, thank you again. biggrin.gif

I think you're looking for the word "scanlation". wink.gif
Chiisana
Arigatou!! >w< I was this depressed because all the other link I found had exceeded the limit TwT Hontou ni Arigatou <3
Lady Dragoon
QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 12 2007, 12:20 PM) [snapback]551804[/snapback]
QUOTE(Lady Dragoon @ Jun 12 2007, 11:49 AM) [snapback]551798[/snapback]
Thank you! Now I have a clue on what is going on.

(And didn't have to wait for a santransation(sp?).

So, thank you again. biggrin.gif

I think you're looking for the word "scanlation". wink.gif


XD

Thank you! (I have trouble remembering how to spell it, since I usually don't use that word a lot. happy.gif;; )
Chiisana
Omfg Ed is almost a whole head taller than Winry o.o Like.. All of the sudden? Well they haven't seen each other for a long time since Winry is in Rush Valley.

Still... Kinda surprising how much Ed grows. How old is he now? 16? 17? A little bit near the end of adolescent and puberty. It looks so funny when Edward looks down at Winry o.o I'm like; "Woa!! Edward finally got a chance to look down at someone who isn't a kid or child?" xD
Amalthea
biggrin.gif This was great! I loved how Ed was acting so idiotically happy with his lighter auto-mail!!

The Scar and Winry interaction made me get teary-eyed. But HOLY HELL I cannot wait for the next chapter.
Tombow
Half of the "page by page summary" is done... I'll finish up the rest of the half later tonight!! biggrin.gif
imaginaesto
Thank you sooooooooo muchhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I know what happen! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Also do my eyes deceive me or is Ed finally taller than Winry rolleyes.gif
Amethyst Sunset
QUOTE(Reta McClain @ Jun 12 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]551734[/snapback]
QUOTE(Amethyst Sunset @ Jun 12 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]551727[/snapback]
I think it's not just the Royai fans who are rejoicing...also the Edwin fans. XD

Mmm...evil Scar. XD What if he kills Kimblee like in the anime?

OFF-TOPIC PLUG: Haven't even started yet. XDDDD We'll start this Friday, methinks.

Of course we are rejoicing! *shocked* Royai is all nice and dandy but my ultimate love is Edwin wub.gif

Kimbley could die from Scar's hand *thoughtful* Well, they could kill each other though that would take off some very interesting characters. (I heard something along the lines that Arakawa-sensei is going to reveal Scar's real name. Does anyone know if it is true?)

[offtopic] Well, that is still sooner than with me biggrin.gif The earliest I could start studying Japanese with professionals is over a year and that only if I go to right school rolleyes.gif


I <3 Edwin too. ^^ Many Royai fans also like Edwin.

Whoa, if Arakawa-sensei reveals Scar's real name...wow. At least, an unsolved FMA mystery will finally be solved! XD

Kimblee turns Scar into a bomb just as he explodes the Crimson Alchemist's head...and then they both die. Ye-ouch. Two characters killed off in a single chapter. XDDDDD Boom.

[off-topic] - Good luck!

Amalthea - And yeah, Ed's all hyper-happy with his new automail. XDDDDD

Tombow - You rock lots. XD
CowAlchemist
YES. Thank you so much. <333

Ed's finally taller than Winry... XD;
TheRainbowConnection
QUOTE(Chiisana @ Jun 12 2007, 01:27 PM) [snapback]551817[/snapback]
Omfg Ed is almost a whole head taller than Winry o.o Like.. All of the sudden? Well they haven't seen each other for a long time since Winry is in Rush Valley.

Still... Kinda surprising how much Ed grows. How old is he now? 16? 17? A little bit near the end of adolescent and puberty. It looks so funny when Edward looks down at Winry o.o I'm like; "Woa!! Edward finally got a chance to look down at someone who isn't a kid or child?" xD

I wonder if it's a fluke of perspective, since Winry certainly didn't seem all that tall while at Briggs. And I think he's almost 16. If I remember correctly, he has a winter (December?) birthday, and it's either winter or getting pretty close to it.
Sannom
QUOTE
It is a cunning plan, though, if Scar could be trusted absolutely. And given his exchange with Winry, I think that he can be trusted to at least keep her safe and out of Kimblee's hands.


I'm not sure that the fact that he kidnapped Winry was something Ed and Al agreed on! I think that they reluctantly accepted to free Scar on Marcoh's demand, but they certainly never told him to take Winry with him! I think Scar has taken this decision on his own : they free him, and suddenly he hits Winry on her neck, like he did to those soldiers in the mountains, get an angry Ed out of his way and makes everything explode to flee with his "hostage" : like this, Ed is really angry for something and Kimblee will be certainly fooled (the eyes of Ed at the end of the chapter... they seem "real"). And now, Winry is protected from Kimblee and Scar il still considered a danger by everyone!
TheRainbowConnection
I am unconvinced that the Elrics and Miles would agree to free Scar just because Marcoh asked. Since, discounting Winry, those three are the ones with the greatest (more) legitimate reason to kill Scar, it seems unlikely. Rather, if Scar took Winry, the Elrics and the Briggs troops would be free to move against Kimbley and his (comparatively few) men from Central while still maintaining a large degree of deniability and just anger against Kimbley.

Let's face it--Winry is a liability at this point no matter where she is, and it is clear that the greatest danger to her lies from Ed's enemies at Central. On the other hand, Scar is unlikely to hurt her. Despite being somewhat psychopathic, he still maintains a large amount of honor, and since she has made no move to hurt him, he has none to hurt her. Scar's "kidnapping" of Winry is simply a marriage of convenience and leaves Kimbley with few cards in his deck. In short, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies, and as it's been implied that Ed might care for Winry more than even Al, his first concern may certainly be to ensure Winry's survival.
Sensenic
QUOTE(Reta McClain @ Jun 12 2007, 04:28 PM) [snapback]551734[/snapback]
(I heard something along the lines that Arakawa-sensei is going to reveal Scar's real name. Does anyone know if it is true?)


In volume 15 she was asked about Scar's name, and she said that she has it decided but she won't reveal it (IIRC doesn't specify if she won't reveal it for now or at all sleep.gif ). I seem to recall too that she said it was important for the plot? But I'm not certain. And I'm too lazy to go check tongue.gif
I think Tombow translated that. Or CSakuraS.... Uh, my memory keeps failing sleep.gif Let's let them answer this question anyways happy.gifU


QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 12 2007, 09:19 PM) [snapback]551803[/snapback]
A (temporary) unholy alliance between Briggs, the Elrics, and Scar? Say it ain't so!


I say it ai!

QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 12 2007, 09:19 PM) [snapback]551803[/snapback]
P.S. Did it seem like Al killed the fat dude in the chapter? It definitely looked like he broke his neck. If he tried to make him black out, the dude's body would have automatically resumed breathing and woken up once Al let go. Maybe Al has some super-ninja powers of knocking people out by strangling them. Hardcore.


Agreed, that looked weird. He certainly didn't broke his neck (no "goki" or similar bone-cracking sound effect), just strangled ("kyuu" FX of the neck being... uh... squeezed happy.gifU )... and, as you say, just with that you can get a person (well, we'll assume the chimera has a similar respiratory system... happy.gifU ) unconscious? Wow.

QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 13 2007, 07:32 AM) [snapback]551943[/snapback]
QUOTE(Chiisana @ Jun 12 2007, 01:27 PM) [snapback]551817[/snapback]
Omfg Ed is almost a whole head taller than Winry o.o Like.. All of the sudden? Well they haven't seen each other for a long time since Winry is in Rush Valley.

Still... Kinda surprising how much Ed grows. How old is he now? 16? 17? A little bit near the end of adolescent and puberty. It looks so funny when Edward looks down at Winry o.o I'm like; "Woa!! Edward finally got a chance to look down at someone who isn't a kid or child?" xD

I wonder if it's a fluke of perspective, since Winry certainly didn't seem all that tall while at Briggs. And I think he's almost 16. If I remember correctly, he has a winter (December?) birthday, and it's either winter or getting pretty close to it.


In fact he's been "almost 16" for a looong time now sleep.gif His birthday's kinda overdue...


QUOTE(Sannom @ Jun 13 2007, 07:57 AM) [snapback]551950[/snapback]
I'm not sure that the fact that he kidnapped Winry was something Ed and Al agreed on! I think that they reluctantly accepted to free Scar on Marcoh's demand, but they certainly never told him to take Winry with him! I think Scar has taken this decision on his own : they free him, and suddenly he hits Winry on her neck, like he did to those soldiers in the mountains, get an angry Ed out of his way and makes everything explode to flee with his "hostage" : like this, Ed is really angry for something and Kimblee will be certainly fooled (the eyes of Ed at the end of the chapter... they seem "real"). And now, Winry is protected from Kimblee and Scar il still considered a danger by everyone!

QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 13 2007, 08:23 AM) [snapback]551955[/snapback]
I am unconvinced that the Elrics and Miles would agree to free Scar just because Marcoh asked. Since, discounting Winry, those three are the ones with the greatest (more) legitimate reason to kill Scar, it seems unlikely. Rather, if Scar took Winry, the Elrics and the Briggs troops would be free to move against Kimbley and his (comparatively few) men from Central while still maintaining a large degree of deniability and just anger against Kimbley.

Let's face it--Winry is a liability at this point no matter where she is, and it is clear that the greatest danger to her lies from Ed's enemies at Central. On the other hand, Scar is unlikely to hurt her. Despite being somewhat psychopathic, he still maintains a large amount of honor, and since she has made no move to hurt him, he has none to hurt her. Scar's "kidnapping" of Winry is simply a marriage of convenience and leaves Kimbley with few cards in his deck. In short, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies, and as it's been implied that Ed might care for Winry more than even Al, his first concern may certainly be to ensure Winry's survival.


Wait... aren't you two contradicting yourselves there? Or am I missing something? huh.gif

You both are saying that you don't believe Ed and Al agreed on the Scar taking Winry as hostage part (we don't know if he'll keep her yet), but afterwards you both give the reasons that could make Ed 'n Al actually agree on it, given the circumstances?
Does Not Compute... blink.gif

QUOTE(TheRainbowConnection @ Jun 13 2007, 08:23 AM) [snapback]551955[/snapback]
I am unconvinced that the Elrics and Miles would agree to free Scar just because Marcoh asked.


Well, obviously because it's not as simple as that. There's obviously a time skip in there, where most probably Marcoh explains the reason WHY he doesn't want Scar to be taken away: he's the one who holds the key to decripting Scar's brother's notes, and rentanjutsu with them. And both the Elrics and the Briggs army are VERY interested in that, so it's perfectly logical they all reach an agreement, ain't it? (yer freedom for yer translation of bro's notes. Equivalent Exchange). Add Ed's cunningness as of late (how he's always one step ahead of first Raven, now Kimbley) into the mix, and you've got the perfect reason for them to agree on setting up this little performance, don't you think?
Besides, we don't know their plan, who told you they'll set Scar free and keeping Winry with him? It's most probably just a set up acting for now, who knows how will it end. Have patience.

Trust Ed. And Arakawa sensei's storytelling abilites: Remember the Maria Ross part wink.gif
Sannom
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You both are saying that you don't believe Ed and Al agreed on the Scar taking Winry as hostage part (we don't know if he'll keep her yet), but afterwards you both give the reasons that could make Ed 'n Al actually agree on it, given the circumstances?


Ah it must be because I'm not that good in English (I'm French). Yes, I think they would have good reasons to "give" winry to Scar, but it is sure that they would never accept it! In fact, I think that they let him go, but Scar decided to take Winry as an hostage on his own, and I think that the explosion was also something unexpected! But Scar didn't take her only as a hostage, I think he did it also to "protect" her, as he heard that she was the "captive" of Kimblee!

On a side note, doesn't the last panel remind you of something? To me, it's the opposite of the first encounter between Scar and Kimblee : Scar is the one who is dominating everyone now! He is looking down to Kimblee now! First time, Kimblee was the one who looked down on him. Second time, they were on same level. Third time, Kimblee is the one who must look up to see his enemy!
Sensenic
QUOTE(Sannom @ Jun 13 2007, 10:02 AM) [snapback]551981[/snapback]
Ah it must be because I'm not that good in English (I'm French). Yes, I think they would have good reasons to "give" winry to Scar, but it is sure that they would never accept it! In fact, I think that they let him go, but Scar decided to take Winry as an hostage on his own, and I think that the explosion was also something unexpected! But Scar didn't take her only as a hostage, I think he did it also to "protect" her, as he heard that she was the "captive" of Kimblee!


OK, I see your point now. smile.gif Could be as you say, yes.

QUOTE(Sannom @ Jun 13 2007, 10:02 AM) [snapback]551981[/snapback]
On a side note, doesn't the last panel remind you of something? To me, it's the opposite of the first encounter between Scar and Kimblee : Scar is the one who is dominating everyone now! He is looking down to Kimblee now! First time, Kimblee was the one who looked down on him. Second time, they were on same level. Third time, Kimblee is the one who must look up to see his enemy!


Oh, it's true! Very good one! ( n_n)--b
Chiyo
....WINRRRRRRRRY (I can't get my head around argueing with anyones opinions yet, but I shall read them)

I mean, ya know, not bothered....and is it me or is Ed plenty taller than her now?
TheRainbowConnection
@Sensenic:

I think you may misunderstand me. When I said "I am unconvinced that the Elrics and Miles would agree to free Scar just because Marcoh asked," I meant that they wouldn't free Scar without some tangible benefit to them. Therefore, I find it implausible that they would have freed Scar without having prior agreed to some terms that would play in the Elrics' favor--namely, keeping Winry safe. As such, I was giving a response to Sannom's hypothesis that Scar snatched Winry away without the Elrics' approval after Marcoh had somehow convinced them to set Scar free (without the condition for Scar to protect Winry by kidnapping her). (At least, that is how I read his statement.) Ed and Al simply wouldn't let it happen. They would not set Scar free without good reason. Keeping Winry safe is good reason enough in this case, though.

In short: I firmly believe that Scar came to an agreement with the others before he was set free. In return, he has to protect Winry and keep her out of the military's hands.

QUOTE(Sensenic @ Jun 13 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]551978[/snapback]
In fact he's been "almost 16" for a looong time now sleep.gif His birthday's kinda overdue...

Seriously. I want to see a birthday bash, goshdarnit. dry.gif

(It's crazy how much slower the manga moves than the anime. He turned 16 way early in the series. In the hospital after Slicer, right?)
Porgand
So what's up with Scar and Winry? Is he taking her hostage or taking her to safety or what?


Thanks for the translation.
Sannom
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Ed and Al simply wouldn't let it happen. They would not set Scar free without good reason. Keeping Winry safe is good reason enough in this case, though.


Yeah sure, keeping Winry safe is certainly a good reason, but... they hate him! I don't think they would have thrust him in such a matter! I think that the bargain was more about Scar and Marcoh sharing the results of their research afterwards. And just recall : Ed and Al have no authority. Miles could have done a bargain with Scar and Marcoh, and even if Ed doesn't agree with it, he would have no choice but to accept it as long as it is not a danger for anyone!

But there is still a possibility we didn't think about : Scar has simply gone crazy when he knew that Kimblee was coming! Perharps that Miles knonw the ancient language of Ishbal after all...
Chiyo
I would suggest that its possible Scar has done this of his own accord, and not completely for any personal gain. That moment of Winry helping him would have been personally significant to him and nobody guessed she would do such a thing.

Oh, I'm not sure where I'm going with this point, I think Scar is trying to cope with his actions against Winry's parents by caring for her, under the command of someone else or of his own accord.
HisshouBuraiKen
QUOTE(Porgand @ Jun 13 2007, 07:01 AM) [snapback]552023[/snapback]
So what's up with Scar and Winry? Is he taking her hostage or taking her to safety or what?


No idea. At first I thought it might be Miles posing as Scar but then I saw that little but of X on his face. It could be possible but it seems unlikely now.

Given that Scar was tied down and being watched by three armed soldiers and the Elrics, it's hard to believe he just got away. It seems odd he'd take a hostage, but he WAS pretty banged up, so he may have needed the insurance.

Only 29 days until we find out tongue.gif
Reta McClain
QUOTE(Sannom @ Jun 13 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]552040[/snapback]
QUOTE
Ed and Al simply wouldn't let it happen. They would not set Scar free without good reason. Keeping Winry safe is good reason enough in this case, though.


Yeah sure, keeping Winry safe is certainly a good reason, but... they hate him! I don't think they would have thrust him in such a matter! I think that the bargain was more about Scar and Marcoh sharing the results of their research afterwards. And just recall : Ed and Al have no authority. Miles could have done a bargain with Scar and Marcoh, and even if Ed doesn't agree with it, he would have no choice but to accept it as long as it is not a danger for anyone!

But there is still a possibility we didn't think about : Scar has simply gone crazy when he knew that Kimblee was coming! Perharps that Miles knonw the ancient language of Ishbal after all...

Have to point this one out, sorry sleep.gif

Ed and Miles are both technically equal rank, as the State Alchemists are automatically Majors when they get their certificate. Miles is a Major too... Though he would probably have more "free" authority as he isn't under Homunculi and Father's wacthful eye like Ed. Miles has more free ground to move with all this stuff while Ed has to play his cards right and try to keep Father happy for the time being.

So yes, I think it was Miles who made this deal but I also think Ed agreed with him. Ed wouldn't let someone he doesn't really know that well to make decisions of Winry's fate. And I think Winry had a word in this one too as she would probably hit Scar (and Miles, Ed and Al tongue.gif ) with wrench if he tried anything without her permission.

Am I the only one who thinks the ending of PotC At World's End is stupid?
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