Some anime I choosingly watch as a TV series instead of downloading due to the fact that I simply need *something* to watch on TV. That being said I just recently watched the last 6 episodes of Fullmetal alchemist in succession after downloading them and I must say I have something to say about the whole credo that the law of equal exchange is incomplete and does not exist. I realized the obvious faults in her argument and wanted to voice them immediately. And knowing that you guys are probably the only ones who care, I came here.
With that being said I suppose this whole thread is a spoiler in a way to all those who have not completely watched the whole series in its entirety. This is because it contests the totality of the last conceptual theme expressed as a whole.
The old yet wisdomless Dante said that their is no law of equal exchange and gave the following outlined arguements towards proving such.
1.) Some people succeeded and failed thus there is no law.
2.) If I killed a baby right now what would be the exchange in that.
3.) Life is not fair.
These arguments were extremely flimsy and I wish to conclude to you all that there is indeed a law of equal exchange that is neither “incomplete” nor broken, and explain to you the faults of the Dante's argument. No wonder even though she was damned immortal she couldn't create a stone and Hoenheim didn't love her, she was damned stupid kn3wb. Once a kn3 wb always a kn3wb. If you train a kn3wb he just becomes a trained kn3wb. And apparently, if a kn3wb lives forever he's just an immortal kn3wb.
The law of equal exchange states, according to the show states.
"To obtain, something of equal value must be lost." First off when a law is created in a science it applies to that science only. Applying it to outside situations such as life and death are mute points. Sometimes a law simply has nothing to do with certain laws or a situation that occurs. E=mc^2 and the base laws of physics like "a body in motion stays in motion accept for when attacked on by an outside force" can be applied to real life situations obviously. But one must make sure not to get to ambigious with the phoenomina one wants to explain through the contexts of such laws. One would not expect to be able to explain advanced psychological principles through scientific laws so why then expect to explain the law of equal exchange through such? When trying to apply it to that situation and find no way to do so that does not mean the law does not exist, it simply does not apply. Like in the example the Dante gave about killing the baby asking where is the equal exchange in that? But one must ask what was the baby giving up, and what was he trying to obtain? The baby was doing nothing thus it does not mean the law is not real, it means it simply does not apply to that situational scenario.
She was trying to link the law to concepts of fair and equality. But the law in alchemy had never been used to explain such a grand view, why should it now?
The only way the law of equal exchange could not be true is if a regular alchemist could create something without giving it away. But they can't. They constantly have to give something away to obtain something. This Is a valid principle that is true. Even the philosopher's stone wears up over time. That is because it does not make the law no longer apply but because its vast amounts of power serves as what is being paid for the exchange. Thus it serves more as a supreme source of power more than anything else. This is proven by the very premise that a philosopher's stone runs out of power over time and that a new one must be created.
Dante also gave an example of when Elric took the exam to become a state alchemist. Saying that all the other people trained harder and longer than the fullmetal alchemist did yet he got the job because of natural talent. I knew the b*tch crazy but not stupid. I pondered how somebody could spend hundreds of years and yet still not be able to create a philosophers stone on their own. Now I understand. She was limited by foolish believes that she refused to exam forever inhibiting her true potential. Even though I have already established that the law of equal exchange should be stayed inside alchemy, let me explain how it applies anyway. This arguement is based on the foolish principle of what is being "obtained" from something of "equal value" is training and knowledge for this job or the achievement of ones goal. When the people who trained put in time and effort they obtained an equal amount of SKILL (that amount for each tidbit of training time being in being subjective to certain variables outside the law such as intelligence, concentration, text effectiveness, etc.). The amount of skill they gained over time being a variable of their innate abilities in an equation of course. And that equation is something that goes beyond the law of Equal Exchange. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it's just that some phoenomina take more than one law to explain. Skill was what was obtained from putting something in not the desired results of victory. Victory and the acquisition of the job of state alchemist are dictated by how much skill you have. This does not apply to the law of equal exchange.
In most matters where simply putting something in to get something out the law of equal exchange stays valid. But in human affairs where simply the exchange of energies is not enough to receive a complex result that depends on many factors the law of equal exchange does not apply due to the fact that to many variables exist within it. One could give an example with people saying that they put in lots and time and energy in raising their kids and they got nothing out of it. That is incorrect. They may have gotten an undesired result, but the child did receive something out of it. Furthermore their are far too many variables of what needs to be put in to receive a desired results. Furthermore, you have to account for what others time, energy, and thoughts that others put into her. After accounting everything you will realize that defining the law of equal exchanges relation to this situational scenario is to complex of a procedure and that other laws that govern our reality apply to this situation as well.
The next point is the subject of the energies used to create the exchange within alchemy. Even if human energy, devil energy, or even semen f*!@ing energy is used to power the transmutation the law of equal exchange stays valid. [b]This is because the energy used to power the transformation is not related to materials needed to make the transformation occur.[B] That energy makes the transformation HAPPEN, but does not add or take away from the fact that equal variables must be put in on both sides to get your desired transmutated result. Furthermore if someone tries to prove that statement false the fact still remains that even with that element of the energy known or unknown by people they still had to give something up of equal value to obtain something even with the philosopher's stone. As such, the law of equal exchange msut not exist.
The point Dante made was not that the law of equal exchange does not exist, but it does not apply to all situational scenarios in life. And this is true. But it does indeed exist and it is indeed valid and complete law. The examples she gave was incomplete. Furthermore the fact remains that if the law didn't exist then alchemists would be able to make without sacrifice. And that has not been done. For although with the philosophers stone you dont' have to sacrifice other materials, it has been proven in the shows context that the stone itself is paying that cost and will one day run out. The law of equal exchange may not be a concept that fully explains reality but nor is the law of gravity or any other scientific law. The law explains exactly what it is meant to explain with the pin-point accuracy of simplicity.
In a way, both the fullmetal alchemist and Dante were fools. Dante for believing the law did not exist at all for the fact that it did not apply to situations where other laws domained, and the fullmetal alchemist being a fool for believing that the confines of such a minute philosophy can correct categorize, explain, and outline all facets of life.
Well the only reason I signed up for this forum was to express these ideas to you. I too often time watch an anime or show, and have a deep observation that I would like to share with someone, but nobody is around who cares. In this situation I realized that there were forums and serious otaku's that existed for this show. Being the fullmetal alchemist connoisseur I'm sure you'll have your own thoughts and opinions to add, or to contest my argument. So I guess Iíll come back regularly to see whatís posted.
P.S. I typed "fullmetal" as one word just cause thoe TOS said so. Even thuogh the regular phrase "full metal" is not a complete word when applying it to the title "fullmetal alchemists" it becomes one. This is because these words take on new meaning to describe a name and a show thus the grammer of the words do also.