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Chiyo
It would take me forever to list all the countries, what they age limit and what those ages are so I will use a few examples from my land.

Cigarrettes: you must be 16 or over to purchase them. I know first hand this does not stop underage smokers who easily enlist those of the right age to buy their fags for them. I was asked on several occasions to buy fags for underage kids.

Alcohol: 18, and I think this is about right although again it does little to stop those who want it getting it.

Sex: 16, but with 12 year olds at it on a regular basis the age limit clearly means nothing to them. I think this is down to their parents educating them (not the schools, because if your parents admit they were doing it at 13 no matter what school says they will follow the parents)

Fireworks: 18 (I believe) and I use this as its our oh so wonderful November 5th weekend is upon us here in the UK. I must have heard over 100 fireworks tonight, and it will only get worse. By Monday I'm sure there will be horror stories of how a teenager blew his face off playing with fireworks. This can be controlled far more than it is, but this will take more than age.

What about your country, its ages and its restrictions? Do you think they wor or do they need to be changed? Should they be abolished altogether?
Popogeejo
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Sex: 16


Yet we have to be 18 to view porn...
Ailuro
Cigarettes: 18 . Doesn't stop anyone underaged from getting them.

Alcohol: 21. Again, doesn't stop 'em. What's silly is at 18 you're old enough to die for your country, but still too young to have a nice drink before you die. Hah.

Sex: 18. Doesn't stop anyone. Though to be fair, it's just the age of consent. There's nothing saying you can't have sex with someone else under 18.

Fireworks: 18. I'm sure that doesn't stop anyone.

On a side note, what's happening November 5th weekend?
Popogeejo
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On a side note, what's happening November 5th weekend?


Guy Fawkes day.
He tried to blow up Parliament when all the big wigs of the country were there.
He was caught and most of the co-conspirators were hung or treason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
Quistis88
So, where I'm at:

Alcohol: 18. People as young as 12 drink anyway. It's rather sad.

Cigarettes and/or Tobacco: 18. People as young as 13 get people to buy them for them anyway. It's sickening.

Sex: 18. See deshi's comment.

Fireworks: I thought they were illegal where I am, but I'm not sure and I'm too lazy to find out.

In my opinion, age restrictions only act as an indicator as to when things are more "moral" or "reasonable", but does almost next to nothing if they aren't enforced, and I feel that there needs to be stricter enforcement.
Funderful
Booze; 21.
People around here usually cave in by 17.

Sex; I didn't know it was illegal by age.
I don't suppose it's recommended to those under 18.

Cigarettes; 18.

This is from memory, so I can't assure you I'm correct.
Alchol might be younger...
I think it is in Quebec.

Someone was plotting on a school shootout in my high school.
Everyone was freaked out, especially when the guy got locked up and his friends threatened to come back and finish the job.
I personally didn't care, but the other students were flipping out.
I mean, come on, it was a freakin' grade nine talking smack with his friends.
Jeez.
They shouldn't have been able to get a gun anyway.
Which brings me to, I'm pretty sure it's 18 to possess weapondry.
Toby-Chan
It's kind of dumb that just about everything is legal at eighteen except for alcohol. It should be equalized.

Oh, and Ailuro- I've heard somewhere that the drinking age can be given exception for members of the army, but only in certain occasions, while on duty, or somesuch.

Age of consent varies from state to state. I'm fairly certain it's sixteen around these parts, but with restrictions.
Personally- I'm all for the (supposed) founding concept of such regulations, but there are so many flaws in such age restrictions, all around really. If drinking age is set in place to protect people from harmful behavior, then who's to say that any and every given person above the age of 21 will be more responsible if given alcohol? Or sex for that matter? Age of consent protects children, and that is definitely something that needs to be enforced, but then when you get to teenagers who are mostly hormonal children anyway, it becomes gray. Teenagers have always and will always experiment and they won't always ask for birth dates when they make their ritual idiotic decisions at parties/on dates/in backseats. The law doesn't seem to pay mind to this however, unless the parents raise a stink, and then it gets ugly.

The point where it gets asinine is when the law becomes so rigid and technical that we get cases, like the eighteen year old boy who recieved oral sex from a fifteen year old girl at a party and was sentenced ten years in jail for 'statutory rape'. Now, even if one does not give approval to such an encounter, certainly they can't argue that such laws were put in place to jail kids for technicalities like that.
I've spectated on this point in such a debate before, and it was argued that the law should protect 'children' from being sexually harmed (afformentioned case in point) and that it can't be known that the girl did not experience mental emotional or spiritual harm. I'm pretty sure that such a viewpoint wouldn't hold water in most legal situations, but it puts into perspective the views that may have founded the restrictions- and brings the logic to light all across the table. Well, supposing she was emotionally unprepared for a sexual encounter, would it have been any better one year later? Is the law meant to prevent young adults from emotional damage due to the decisions they make? In that case, why don't we have legislation on sexual encounters of all ages of participants, and set up the law so only people intellectually and emotionally ready take part in sex are allowed to. That'll keep plenty of our population from breeding well into their thirties. Heck, apply that to the smoking and drinking laws. How do we know the 22 year old is any less dangerous when drunk? How do we know the 19 year old is any more capable of making an informed decision to buy those cigarettes? Can we really put a blanket age on maturity?

Ugh. It's late. I'll probably forgot I wrote this in the morning and it won't make any sense.
quiddityofquid
Cigarettes: 18 not that it stops anyone if they want one.

Alcohol: 21; I know a 15 year old who gets drunk regularly, with no apparent regard for said law. I think people in the military are allowed to drink alcohol though.

Sex: 16 is the age of consent, although that is also generally completely ignored. I know people who had sex under the age of 16, some with people much older than they were. No one seemed to have a problem with that.

Fireworks: illegal where I live, as far as I know... Not that a few people don't set them off anyway.

Firearms: I don't know how old you have to be to own them, but I know a 16 year old who has an NRA liscense.

And so according to what I've seen age restrictions don't do very much good at all. As Quistis said, they don't do anything when not enforced. I do think that some age restrictions are a good idea, if only because of the bad effect some things can have on growing children, but the ones we have obviously don't work...
Le Monkey
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Nov 5 2006, 12:10 AM) [snapback]469959[/snapback]
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Sex: 16


Yet we have to be 18 to view porn...


I always wondered that... ><

As living in same place as Chi I have the same restrictions and pretty much the same views of them.
phoenix dying
By and by, i think people are generally going to do what they want. And that is the way it usually happens. Unless the 'group in power' making the laws upholds them in such a way as the detur thoes who would break them.

And another thing i live near a indian reservation, and they could care less what age you are. As long as you have money; you can have it!

i didnt know about the sex=16 huh.gif
Miss Elric
Well.. here in Portugal..

Sex: 18
Cigarettes: 16, but I don't see that nowhere. So, basically, you smoke when and if you want. I also saw multiple times kids buying cigarettes and no one says a thing.
Alcohol: 16. I think it's a shame and still I keep seeying drunk fiends. And thei're 13 and 14.
Fireworks: I don't know, no one talks about it here!! huh.gif

So, as we can all see, this sucks.
miracle_flame_alchemist147
Alcohol: 18
- it's rather sad that there are sometimes people younger than 13 who already drink this stuff..

Cigarette: 18
- some kids who are just 8 years old use this stuff already!!

Sex: 18
- even 13 year olds do this already as reported by my teacher to my class, she said that even a pre-schooler due to the influence of the older brother ( in another country ) asked his classmate if she wanted to try it!

so sometimes age restrictions aren't really that helpful if nobody will follow them at all.
Carnal Malefactor
I met a couple of girls today that made me loathe the age of consent laws in this country. I didn't even know how old they were, but I could tell they were in high school, and I CAN'T EVEN TAKE THAT FUCKING RISK! GODDAMMIT!
phoenix dying
calm yourself my good sir. It does a man no good to be in jail.

...you dirty, dirty, old man tongue.gif
Le Monkey
QUOTE(phoenix dying @ Nov 11 2006, 08:07 PM) [snapback]472427[/snapback]
...you dirty, dirty, old man tongue.gif


Damn you get here before me, ><
MonsterEnvy
Quid and I know each other (like, really) so, we've got all the same thing. I should add, though, that the age of consent in Massachusetts is a tickly beast. 16 is the official age of consent, and once you're sixteen you can have sex with anyone as long as it's not obvious rape. Once one hits 18, having sex with anyone under 16 counts as statutory rape. I think that it's an interesting way to do things, and works pretty well, although, as far as sex goes, it's only really useful when something bad or out of the ordinary happens and someone ends up going to trial.

With porn- I think I'll paraphrase House-

"'If you're not eighteen, please click here to leave. If you are, click here to ENTER.' Jesus, I'd think even a seventeen year old could figure that one out."

There are some obvious problems with that system.

When I was in Germany two years ago, I found alcohol readily available. Really, it's novel for a little bit, and then one becomes responsible with it. It's really only in the US that people are insane about it, and I think that's mainly because it's such a restricted and taboo thing. So, in that case the age restrictions hurt more than help.

As for fireworks, if someone blows themselves up, good for them, or the gene pool. Whichever.
creations alchemist
they help but not a lot i like them cuz when ur of age you feel "cool"
and you can shove it in other kids faces
Le Monkey
QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Nov 13 2006, 09:04 PM) [snapback]473143[/snapback]
As for fireworks, if someone blows themselves up, good for them, or the gene pool. Whichever.


"The tree of life is self pruning"

QUOTE(creationX @ Nov 15 2006, 01:35 AM) [snapback]473553[/snapback]
they help but not a lot i like them cuz when ur of age you feel "cool"
and you can shove it in other kids faces


Can I guess you are about 12 or 13 and really really want to be older to look "Big and hard" right?
Dont wish away your childhood, once its gone, its gone!
creations alchemist
@Le monkey no i am not 12 or 13 i am 17. i can quote people because of the computer so i cant quote what u jsut said... but thast ok
And i would never wish away my childhood... If i could id go back to it

Le Monkey
QUOTE(creationX @ Nov 15 2006, 02:40 PM) [snapback]473715[/snapback]
@Le monkey no i am not 12 or 13 i am 17. i can quote people because of the computer so i cant quote what u jsut said... but thast ok
And i would never wish away my childhood... If i could id go back to it


Ok my bad, I just guessed from lack of grammer/spelling I know im not perfect but I try and then also the seeming lack of maturity, IMO.
No offence, just saying..
creations alchemist
its ok. My grammer is usually bad because im in 2nd period and i am typing really fast and i usually dont read over what i typed. im always going back and forth from my work and this so i dont have the time to go and read what i have typed as long as it gets the point across.
you know what i mean?
Stealth
Well here in Australia.

SEX: You have to be over 10 but have your parent's permission. then at 16 you can have sex with any one who is no more then 2 years older and at the age of 18 you can do it with who ever you want as long as they are not younger then 16.

Alcohol: 18

DRIVENG: You can start to learn to drive when your 16 and when you turn 18 you have your P's which means probation so you canít drive until 24 hours of having a drink. But once your 21 you can drink under the limit which is 0.5 and drive.

Cigarette: 18

Itís a lot more complicated but I canít be bothered explaining it all. I spent a whole year learning this stuff
MonsterEnvy
Over 10? Wow. I'm blown away that any country that has sex laws would allow them for prepubescent children. You must have your facts completely wrong.

Also- Driving, and grammAr.
joanne45
QUOTE(Chiyo @ Nov 4 2006, 04:59 PM) [snapback]469956[/snapback]
It would take me forever to list all the countries, what they age limit and what those ages are so I will use a few examples from my land.

Cigarrettes: you must be 16 or over to purchase them. I know first hand this does not stop underage smokers who easily enlist those of the right age to buy their fags for them. I was asked on several occasions to buy fags for underage kids.

Alcohol: 18, and I think this is about right although again it does little to stop those who want it getting it.

Sex: 16, but with 12 year olds at it on a regular basis the age limit clearly means nothing to them. I think this is down to their parents educating them (not the schools, because if your parents admit they were doing it at 13 no matter what school says they will follow the parents)

Fireworks: 18 (I believe) and I use this as its our oh so wonderful November 5th weekend is upon us here in the UK. I must have heard over 100 fireworks tonight, and it will only get worse. By Monday I'm sure there will be horror stories of how a teenager blew his face off playing with fireworks. This can be controlled far more than it is, but this will take more than age.

What about your country, its ages and its restrictions? Do you think they wor or do they need to be changed? Should they be abolished altogether?



Across the Pond...
Cigarettes: 18 and over....show's some ID to check when they were born (1990 to 1992 not allowed, 1980 to 1990 allowed)
Alcohol: same as above
Sex: 16 year olds also a regular limit...that's a hard part.
Fireworks: 18 and over or under 18 accompanied by a guardian (over 21) or a parent (before 4th of July or New Years Eve).
Carnal Malefactor
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SEX: You have to be over 10 but have your parent's permission.

Wait, what?

The fact that they're legislating the sexual activity of 10-year-olds is creepy.
The fact that parental permission is involved is even creepier. blink.gif
Amalthea
In the US, for most states the age of sexual consent is 18, but some states allow sex with a minor if they are within two years of age. (So, like 18 and 17 or 18 and 16.)

While age restrictions certainly don't stop underage kids from doing things (it didn't stop me), wouldn't it be a million times worse if they were all eradicated? Letting a 12-year-old walk into a bar and order a drink, or letting 40-year-olds do it with 14-year-olds, etc.

I myself do think the age of 21 for drinking should be lowered in the United States, but that's not up to me to decide. (At least that's the age in NY and for many states.)
Naivete
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Well here in Australia.

SEX: You have to be over 10 but have your parent's permission. then at 16 you can have sex with any one who is no more then 2 years older and at the age of 18 you can do it with who ever you want as long as they are not younger then 16.

Alcohol: 18

DRIVENG: You can start to learn to drive when your 16 and when you turn 18 you have your P's which means probation so you can’t drive until 24 hours of having a drink. But once your 21 you can drink under the limit which is 0.5 and drive.

Cigarette: 18

The laws aren't enforced hard enough. Heck, I knew a girl who was my age but had sex a few hundred times (without parental consent), drank alcohol (again without parental consent) and smoked pretty regularly. And this was when I was 12 or 13. And browsing through some Bebo pages made me realise she wasn't the only one.

I thought alcohol was allowed, as long as you were in private premises and you had parental supervision..or something like that.

As far as I know, fireworks (setting them off) are generally illegal in Australia (or in Sydney at least) but you can obtain a license for it.
Chiyo
The idea was in the UK you were meant to obtain a license to let fireworks off, but I know full well that will never come into effect as that'll stop people making money.
Sendeshi
QUOTE(Abstruse Eulogy @ May 5 2007, 06:17 PM) *
QUOTE
SEX: You have to be over 10 but have your parent's permission.

Wait, what?

The fact that they're legislating the sexual activity of 10-year-olds is creepy.
The fact that parental permission is involved is even creepier. blink.gif


Can you imagine 10 year old kids asking their parents if they can have sex? biggrin.gif

In england it's ok at 16.. and so is smoking.

And alcohol is 18

Driving is 17
Artixte
Wow,just imagine 20 to 30 years from now...

My future kid:Mommy can I have sex? smile.gif

Me:Ok,sure honey.....Wait!WHAT!? O.O
Triss Hawkeye
The age consent thing that's bothering me right now is the driving age - in Britain you used to be able to get your license at 17, but now you get lessons at 17 and you can only get your license at 18. I understand that this is to make sure people are more mature when they are finally allowed to drive. Now, I just turned 16, but somehow I get the impression that 18-year-olds don't tend to be much more mature than 17-year-olds. To be honest, I consider myself 'mature' enough to drive, yet I see 21-year-olds acting immature and yet they're allowed to hold a license.

This is the problem - you just can't judge maturity by age alone, especially in this 'tween' age from about 15 to mid-twenties. That's where age restrictions fail. But how else are we supposed to judge it?
GothGirl
Well, everything in my state (I'm not about to say exactly where, but it's in New England) you can legally have sex at fourteen. On one hand it freaks me out because I'm 'of age' and I can't imagine how anyone my age would feel ready for that. On the other hand, I know people my age who do feel ready and are doing stuff and, although it's rather stupid and risky, it doesn't seem to be something that should be regulated by law.
That One Dude
Down here in my loverly little island...

Sex: There's an age consent for that? blink.gif Well no one gives a f***. There's even girls my age (and probably younger) that are prostitutes.

Alcohol: 18 or 21, I forget, but I've had alcoholic drinks before, up to when I was still eleven. Of course this was only white wine, champagne and cider, but now I've moved onto margaritas and piŮa coladas... And yet I'm thirteen...

Cigarettes: I don't know... Although I see a lot of older people smoking, I haven't seen a young'un lighting up a butt...

Driving: 16 But I have honestly seen someone about fourteen looking driving once... Nearly crashed into my mom... And my aunt took my cousin for a joy ride once... When she was eleven or ten, I'm not sure...

Porn: I don't know either, but I have seen eight year olds watching it... Seriously, once a kid logged onto this site in a library nearby my school and... Well... sleep.gif

^That's about all the loverly things in my tropical island... I think... I probably left out a lot of things, but all we know are the basics, driving and drinking...
Innocent-malice
drinking age: 21

sex: no idea but its pretty screwed up when you can do that crap before you can drive.

smoking:18

marraige: I think its 16

fireworks: can only use them twice a year legally but you need a liscence for big ones

driving: 16

porn: I'm assuming 18

though people under 13 do all of these and more and I think I may be the only clean teenager alive at the moment...
GREEDisGOOD
It's funny, back when I was younger, I hated all of these restrictions, but now I agree with most of them.

IMPORTANT!!: Most of them - Alcohol=21. Bull crap, you only have to be 18 to serve in the military. Honestly, if you can die for your country, you should be able to drink for it too.
Naivete
^The guys in the army get to drink, even if they are underage.
Special privileges for dying for your country.
Atomsk_Rinwell
drivers in america are as young as 16 no younger..

ive known about that little bit of info since my neighbors little kid got home from over there..

said they get to drink as young as 14 or so.. somthing about what he said..
Sakura1988
What is weird is people around me smoke and all. They are all 18 and they don't support underage things. I have been offered to drink and all but I don't take the chance to do it. They say they will also cover for me but I still don't do it. My boyfriend before I started to go out with him was smoking and rubbin'. Now he quite rubbin' but he still smokes. He made the decision to stop. i'm still glade but I'm not happy that he even started in the first place. -Sakura- dry.gif
Chiyo
QUOTE(Atomsk_Rinwell @ Oct 9 2007, 06:36 AM) *
drivers in america are as young as 16 no younger..


I heard they could start to learn to drive from 14 in some States, did I hear wrong? Then of course 21 drinking.

I agree with that though, its suicide over here if you only just learn to drive while 17 then you can drink at 18, its asking for inexperienced drivers to get themselves killed (not that experienced drivers will fair much better under the influence)
asunder
http://www.2pass.co.uk/ages2.htm ~ List of minimum driving ages by US state and other countries
Chiyo
I started this thread about a year ago in preperation for Bonfire night and how people actually use fireworks, Here are great examples of age restrictions being of no help

Firework thrown at man
Fireworks set off in shop
Fireworks aimed at fireman
Colette
Cigarettes: Gotta be 18 iirc, I don't go out of my way to look for people smoking, so I wouldn't know. I've seen some kids smoking in the parking lot by their cars but they could be 18 for all I know.

Alcohol: 21, and in no way does it stop anyone from drinking around here.

Sex: 16, about 3/5s of the people I know have had some kind of sexual experience, most of them ARE 16+ though.

Fireworks: Flat out illegal here. But I use them, my family uses them, everyone uses them for holidays. Not many accident here and it's not really enforced so I don't have a problem.


Personally, I don't think the age restrictions are the problem. The problem is that people who want these things get access to them regardless of age. It prevents the curious but it doesn't stop the determined.
Lord Odenetheus
Sheesh, first post in a few years now...

Sweden has 15 for sex, 18 for cigarettes and mild alcohol (Up to 3.5) and 20 for all other alcohol.

That said, I'm eighteen and my boyfriend is fourteen (Oh, shut up! I'm a pedophile, I know, but I just couldn't care less.), and neither his nor my friends think that's even slightly wrong. After all, Sweden is the country of sexual frivolities!
Tris the Reaper
Cigarettes: Er, I think it's eighteen. Clearly not stopping anyone here, though.

Sex: 18, but again, clearly not stopping anyone.

Alcohol: 21, see above.

Fireworks: Flat out illegal. But my dad will sometimes go to Missouri to buy fireworks there. Alot of people here do.

I have no problems with age restrictions, myself, but it's as plain as day that they don't do jack. If anything, they encourage those underage to try to push it and see how far they can go.
coyote_sprit
Fireworks in Missouri? I live in Missouri and bottle rockets are illegal, who wants to live in a world where bottle rockets(or any kind of fireworks) are illegal?

Cigarrettes: 18

Alcohol: 21

Sex: 18

Fireworks: No age limit I know of, though a little kid shouldn't be holding bottle rockets We can only shoot them off on Independence Day or out of city limits(where all the corn fields are).
The RZA
QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Nov 1 2007, 03:57 PM) *
That said, I'm eighteen and my boyfriend is fourteen (Oh, shut up! I'm a pedophile, I know, but I just couldn't care less.),



CRAAAAAAAAADLE ROBBER. tongue.gif lol just playing.
Tris the Reaper
QUOTE(coyote_sprit @ Nov 1 2007, 06:53 PM) *
Fireworks in Missouri? I live in Missouri and bottle rockets are illegal, who wants to live in a world where bottle rockets(or any kind of fireworks) are illegal?


Well, I'm not talking bottle rockets. More like the little stuff. Like...I dunno how to explain it. Smoke bombs, etc.

QUOTE(The RZA @ Nov 1 2007, 06:57 PM) *
CRAAAAAAAAADLE ROBBER. lol just playing.


I think you mean cradle rocker.
Dark Dragon Alchemist
I don't see the point to the restrictions. Just here me out, they say you have to 18 to do this or 21 to do that but, people don't care. Restrictions or not do you think that's going to stop them? I live by Detroit (how I've survived this long without getting shot is a mystery) like right at the border. Around we have 12 year olds who smoke, 15 year olds who drink, oh and a 10 year old who was caught with weed. Then you have those drunks (who are almost ALL under age over here) who hi-jacks peoples cars and smash them into houses.
Lord Odenetheus
The thing is, if you remove all the restrictions this will get at least three times as bad, as there will be nothing stopping the rest either. Sad but true.
coyote_sprit
QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Nov 2 2007, 04:42 AM) *
The thing is, if you remove all the restrictions this will get at least three times as bad, as there will be nothing stopping the rest either. Sad but true.

Part of breaking a restriction is the fun that you won't get caught!!
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