Mustang_93
Oct 15 2006, 05:34 PM
After the Foley Scandel, Katrina, and countless other things who would you really trust running congress? Please give reasons why you think this way.
State what you think about in:
1) national security
2) immagration
3)Healthcare / Social Security
4) "Hot button Issues"
Carnal Malefactor
Oct 15 2006, 05:52 PM
I live in Massachusetts, so... uhm... yah...
Popogeejo
Oct 15 2006, 06:04 PM
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1) national security
2) immagration
3)Healthcare / Social Security
4) "Hot button Issues"
1) Bears. Who will protect us from these killing Machines?
2) Who will stop Canadian and Mexican bears from crossing out boarders?
3) If I am attacked by an Imigrant bear then will I get free health cover and who will pay for it?
4) Homosexual Bear marrige, who will stop it?
Answer: Stephen Colbert.
I live in Wales. I don't even know the candidates or the electoral process for Congress...
Le Monkey
Oct 15 2006, 06:12 PM
QUOTE(Popogeejo @ Oct 16 2006, 02:04 AM) [snapback]460381[/snapback]
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1) national security
2) immagration
3)Healthcare / Social Security
4) "Hot button Issues"
1) Bears. Who will protect us from these killing Machines?
2) Who will stop Canadian and Mexican bears from crossing out boarders?
3) If I am attacked by an Imigrant bear then will I get free health cover and who will pay for it?
4) Homosexual Bear marrige, who will stop it?
Answer: Stephen Colbert.
I live in Wales. I don't even know the candidates or the electoral process for Congress...

Well this will be
Popo, Chiyo and Myself wont have much of an input in.
unsuprisingly..
Chiyo
Oct 16 2006, 01:43 AM
Get outta power, Tony 'lick Bush bum' Blair! And some kick Gordon Brown into the land of the living. BNP ftw (last point was a joke).
Aaah, my political views done, still has nothing to do with your topic.
Mustang_93
Oct 16 2006, 05:12 AM
I think the Dems deserve it now after the Republicans have been screwing our nation for 6 years..... Popo are you Stephen Colbert or one of his loyal followers? Anyway you are lucky the U.S. has been on "a new road" for to long and unfortunately that road leads to complete and utter destruction!
Nepharski
Oct 16 2006, 11:13 AM
QUOTE(Mustang_93 @ Oct 15 2006, 05:34 PM) [snapback]460365[/snapback]
After the Foley Scandel, Katrina, and countless other things who would you really trust running congress?
These days I'm wondering if I can trust anyone at all. Seems every politican is either in on some conspiracy or on someone else' payroll. In any case, I haven't the faintest as to any of the canidates. When last I voted, I had a little booklet that said who all was running and why. Unless I can make an informed decision, I'd rather not say.
beyondredemption
Oct 16 2006, 12:33 PM
After the Bush thing, I'm starting to think about voting for some other party than Dem/Rep. Maybe we can start an online movement to elect somebody cool...like a seiryuu...
Popogeejo
Oct 16 2006, 12:46 PM
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After the Bush thing, I'm starting to think about voting for some other party than Dem/Rep.
So far so good...
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Maybe we can start an online movement to elect somebody cool...
Online movment? Cool? I don't like where this is headed...
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like a seiryuu...

Failure...
Don't vote for someone cool unless they are compotent aswell. Congressional and presidentail elections are not like naming a birdge after Stephen Colbert, theese elections will actualy effect you.
Mustang_93
Oct 16 2006, 01:42 PM
It's not who they are it is what they stand for! We can be stupid and elect the same guy for years and years but in the end the only thing that they agree on is pay raises! I created this thread to see how smart the avradge FMA obsessor is and their view on our government and which way should we go. Instead of saying I hate Bush ( i agree to that statement) say what you think we can do to fix this broken government and may I remind you it is YOUR government. How will history judge us? As a corrupted country or one that tried to fix itself and hopefully succeded. (note to people: I tend to rant) Popo, I agree with you on the "cool" thing. Hopefully our future leaders will be more belevolent and actually have the ability to think.
Le Monkey
Oct 16 2006, 04:22 PM
Im sorry about this so far, but
6 people have posted on this,
1 will never post again
3 are from the UK and dont know
and the remaining 2 are both 18 so (No offence) not too likely to know much about politics
Nepharski
Oct 16 2006, 06:15 PM
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and the remaining 2 are both 18 so (No offence) not too likely to know much about politics
None taken, but I do find your skepticism a tad bit annoying.
Mustang_93
Oct 16 2006, 06:37 PM
If you aren't in the US then don't post and being 18 doesn't mean that you know nothing about politics. I am 13!
Popogeejo
Oct 16 2006, 06:53 PM
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If you aren't in the US then don't post and being 18 doesn't mean that you know nothing about politics. I am 13!
Don't silence me!
Also you have yet to display any real political knowlegde

You haven't even said who is elligable for voting.
Tombow
Oct 16 2006, 11:02 PM
QUOTE(Mustang_93 @ Oct 16 2006, 09:37 PM) [snapback]460892[/snapback]
If you aren't in the US then don't post
No need to exclude people outside of U.S. from posting, IMO. I'd love to hear their opinions!!
I'm very much interested in how they think of our contry, our politicians, each of our political parties, and so on.
Chiyo
Oct 17 2006, 02:28 AM
Don't post? And why shouldn't we? Clearly you are demonstrating the American sense of self....that only you know whats right in this world! (I kid, but heck, its a political point)
Anyway its not like it won't affect the UK, if you hadn't noticed Bush has rather a tight grip on our Prime Minister...freaking lap dog...and we are casting out Blair because of it.
I think what Monkey meant was politics will only have a certain amount of effect on you at your age, its not like you have to pay taxes personally and such. I didn't know anything at 13, but then I didn't care...now I know because it will affect my life enough.
Mustang_93
Oct 17 2006, 05:19 AM
Sorry for my bluntness what i meant was if you don't know much about the congressional elections you don't have to post the purpose of this thread is the question who would you like running our congress not what you think about our Executive branch but if you have both opinions thats ok. Also the age of the person doesn't really matter: an adult can isolate themselves form the outside world and know nothing about the body that governs him or a teen could possibly know as much as the advarage informed citizen. Basicly what i am trying to say is : if you are from the US say which way you want the elections this November to go and if your not display your opinions about our broken government (Bush, Iraq, our foreign policy). Also Popo you said once before that I don't have and seniority in this fourm what I think you meant from that was that we are all on a level playing feild and the respect of the FMA.com commmuntiy dictates our seniority. I belive i may have gained that and I did not mean to exclude you or any non-citizen for that matter. I am asking a question: what do you think about our government. You said that you wanted change but which way should we go? Shall we as Bush put it "cut and run" or shall we "stay the course" and pray that it will not lead to an even darker path.
Le Monkey
Oct 17 2006, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE(Le Monkey @ Oct 16 2006, 04:22 PM) [snapback]460827[/snapback]
and the remaining 2 are both 18 so (No offence) not too likely to know much about politics
None taken, but I do find your skepticism a tad bit annoying.
I was only going on the presumed fact about most places I have heard about, most teenagers dont know/dont want to know/dont care about politics.
I know there are exeptions to this rule (Being one of them myself) and I added the bracketed sentence to avoid any irritation, but obviously you are just sensitive to it then I can only assume.
QUOTE(Mustang_93 @ Oct 17 2006, 02:37 AM) [snapback]460892[/snapback]
and being 18 doesn't mean that you know nothing about politics. I am 13!
Please point out to me where I said that being 18 ment you knew nothing about politics, As you can plainly see I did put "not too likely to know much about politics". and going on my last point, There are exeptions to the rule of teenagers not wanting to know about politics, as I have mentioned above, so I was only trying to make a reasoned post on why you seemed to not be getting the desired responces.
QUOTE(Mustang_93 @ Oct 17 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]461034[/snapback]
Also the age of the person doesn't really matter: an adult can isolate themselves form the outside world and know nothing about the body that governs him or a teen could possibly know as much as the advarage informed citizen.
One of the exeptions I was telling you about. Now please dont presume the words "not too likely" instantly mean "Your young so therfore stupid".
Nepharski
Oct 17 2006, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(Nepharski @ Oct 17 2006, 02:15 AM) [snapback]460875[/snapback]
QUOTE(Le Monkey @ Oct 16 2006, 04:22 PM) [snapback]460827[/snapback]
and the remaining 2 are both 18 so (No offence) not too likely to know much about politics
None taken, but I do find your skepticism a tad bit annoying.
I was only going on the presumed fact about most places I have heard about, most teenagers dont know/dont want to know/dont care about politics.
I know there are exeptions to this rule (Being one of them myself) and I added the bracketed sentence to avoid any irritation, but obviously you are just sensitive to it then I can only assume.
Not so much sensative as you shouldn't underestimate me till you know me. Then you can underestimate me all you want.
Regardless, yes, I take a certain interest in politics, and no how to navigate myself around the political landscape.
Le Monkey
Oct 17 2006, 01:50 PM
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Not so much sensative as you shouldn't underestimate me till you know me. Then you can underestimate me all you want.
Regardless, yes, I take a certain interest in politics, and no how to navigate myself around the political landscape.
Well as I did say, I was only going on the avarages. I am not underestimating you or anyone else here. I was merely making a coment that was ment to be taken as that, a comment not underestimating you or anything of the sorts,
Mustang_93
Oct 17 2006, 03:56 PM
Fianally we can talk politics! The reason i started this thread was to see what the diverse populace thought about the government and where i am from (NE) everybody has the same viewpoint. Forget what i said before: I just want to know what you think.
Carnal Malefactor
Oct 18 2006, 07:24 PM
What the hell does a 13-year-old understand about politics?
Tombow
Oct 18 2006, 07:42 PM
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What the hell does a 13-year-old understand about politics?
You know, this got me thinking..
if I have a choice between 13 years old who wants to discuss politics, and say, 40 years old who's completely misguided and mislead, I'll take 13 years old... at least he/she is not eligible to vote yet, so no chance of his/her vote making the difference in the real election.
Just some random thought.
Mustang_93
Oct 19 2006, 05:26 AM
QUOTE(Tombow @ Oct 18 2006, 09:42 PM) [snapback]462011[/snapback]
QUOTE(Void @ Oct 18 2006, 10:24 PM) [snapback]461999[/snapback]
What the hell does a 13-year-old understand about politics?
You know, this got me thinking..
if I have a choice between 13 years old who wants to discuss politics, and say, 40 years old who's completely misguided and mislead, I'll take 13 years old... at least he/she is not eligible to vote yet, so no chance of his/her vote making the difference in the real election.
Just some random thought.

So you are making an assumption that I know nothing about politics. Also the 13 year old is probably less corruput than the misguided and mislead adult. Also the election isn't really that complicated but most of the people that post can't read the title "who will you vote for" instead of complaing about me can you anwser the question. I want to know what a diverce community thinks about the government
( I am from Nebraska where unfortunately they are very conservative) I just want to ask a question and
Debate District seems a good place to put it. Why shouln't I start a thread in something I cannot participate in? And that is the reason I made it because I cannnot vote it makes it even more infurating watching our nation collapse from the inside and there is nothing I can do about it. Even a misguided and mislead 40 year old can ask what you think, then why cant I? Just please answer the question: who will you vote for November 7th!
Thank You Tombow for giving me the benifit of the doubt.
Void your signature says "we are being lied to " i agree with that statement, but instead of succuming to manikinism say what you want to do about it!
Popogeejo
Oct 19 2006, 07:55 AM
QUOTE(Mustang_93 @ Oct 19 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]462176[/snapback]
So you are making an assumption that I know nothing about politics.
You have yet to show other wise.
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Also the 13 year old is probably less corruput than the misguided and mislead adult.
You're also probably under informed or too naive to grasp all the varying aspects of elections.
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Also the election isn't really that complicated but most of the people that post can't read the title "who will you vote for" instead of complaing about me can you anwser the question. I want to know what a diverce community thinks about the government
Who one will vote for is not a sign of what people actually think of the government.
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( I am from Nebraska where unfortunately they are very conservative) I just want to ask a question and Debate District seems a good place to put it. Why shouln't I start a thread in something I cannot participate in? And that is the reason I made it because I cannnot vote it makes it even more infurating watching our nation collapse from the inside and there is nothing I can do about it. Even a misguided and mislead 40 year old can ask what you think, then why cant I?
We are not saying you can't partcpate, I have no idea where yopu ot that idea, we are saying that you have not shown any knowlegde of politics other than an Election n happening. You have not even named the canddates.
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Just please answer the question: who will you vote for November 7th!
The fattest one.
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Thank You Tombow for giving me the benifit of the doubt.
Void your signature says "we are being lied to " i agree with that statement, but instead of succuming to manikinism say what you want to do about it!
Also, If you agree with Voids sig then how do you know the Elections aren't just lies (rigged) and therfore meaningless.
Le Monkey
Oct 19 2006, 08:55 AM
@Popo: Why is it when I read and think of replys, you state them underneath allot of the time? XD
You go to the interesting topics first, XD
Colette
Oct 19 2006, 09:01 AM
Both of the people in my state (Nebraska) suck IMHO. (Ben Nelson and Pete Ricketts) If I could vote my vote would probably go to Ben Nelson though, despite him being a Democrat. I'm happy my state is conservative, since I am. *awaits the flames*
And I'm not gonna argue about the 13 year olds not knowing anything about politics for two reasons: I personally know I am well informed on todays issues and politics...and I'm not 13 anymore xD
Edit:
Mustang_93: Wait, you're from Nebraska too? >.>
Envy's lil' miniskirt
Oct 19 2006, 09:27 AM
After the last election I'm tempted to just vote for an independent since both the Rep and the Dems have pissed me off to no end.
Also after the last election I wonder if my vote really counts.
Mustang_93
Oct 19 2006, 02:15 PM
QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Oct 19 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]462214[/snapback]
After the last election I'm tempted to just vote for an independent since both the Rep and the Dems have pissed me off to no end.
Also after the last election I wonder if my vote really counts.
Both parties are distorted in there own special ways.
@Popo: I belive that I am informed enough to make my own descions and have my own views. And yes I know who the candatades are in Nebraska and in its 3rd district: Senate; Ben Nelson (d) and Pete Rickets ( R)both are idiotic because they constatly slam eacother with political ads. Nelson is a moderate democrat which is what i belive we need in Congress. While Rickets is a conservative and uses scare tactics. His ads accuse Nelson of avoiding taxes, being "bad for Nebraska", and "soft of illegal immagration". The House candatadates for the 3rd district seat are: Scott Kleeb (d) and Adrian Smith ( R ). Kleeb's plan is to use the "im hot vote for me" tactic to win and supports tax breaks for local farms and in his words "an independedt voice for Nebraska". While Adrian is a conservative he doen't use attack ads and that builds his character. And popo I'll expain to you how the election works! Our Legeslative branch has two houses : the Senate and the House. The Senate has 100 members two for each state. The House has 425 members based on population (roughly 1 per every 0.3 million) My state Nebraska has 3 congressional districts. The one I live in is the 3rd, on November 7th we vote. And they probably are rigged thanks to Karl Rove. And Popo the reason i didn't list all of the candadates is because that would be 245 people from all over the country.
@ Envy's lil miniskirt
According to Stephen Colbert ( this is just for fun) our votes count 0.000000949% "Taste like freedom? 'Cause to me that tastes like jack all squat This brings up a better question than "does your vote count" Namely, Does it make a diffrence? To anwser that you need a visual aid: imageine A deer tick then imagine Asia."- Stephen Colbert in America the book by Jon Stewart, chapter 6 pg.121.
@ Summoner Colette
Yeah conservatism is good but use sparangly! (see no flames!) I live in NE.
Colette
Nov 7 2006, 03:30 PM
Election day is today.
And I'm going to be lazy and link my thoughts on this from an earlier post:
http://tales.namco.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50495
Carnal Malefactor
Nov 7 2006, 04:00 PM
I decided not to vote on account of the state in which I live.
Nepharski
Nov 7 2006, 05:45 PM
I didn't differentiate between too many of the candidates, so I mostly stuck to voting on the issues and props at hand.
Carnal Malefactor
Nov 7 2006, 09:31 PM
I'm an independent, but I'm REALLY glad the Dems are gonna take the House. We need some accountability in Washington, ASAP.
Molecular Alchemist
Nov 7 2006, 11:08 PM
YAY!!! GO DEMOCRATS!!! i went to the polls and voted Dem across the board. Granted...i probably didnt have to go, concidering i'm in NY...and we are democratic anyway. why the last republican national convention was held in NYC is beyond me...that wasnt really well received
Nepharski
Nov 7 2006, 11:10 PM
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'm an independent, but I'm REALLY glad the Dems are gonna take the House. We need some accountability in Washington, ASAP.
Political affiliation does not guarantee any degree responsibility.
Carnal Malefactor
Nov 7 2006, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE
'm an independent, but I'm REALLY glad the Dems are gonna take the House. We need some accountability in Washington, ASAP.
Political affiliation does not guarantee any degree responsibility.
Checks and balances, buddy. Having one party in control of all 3 branches is suicidal for a country in a time of war. Especially when that branch has proven itself as reckless and stupid as the Republicans.
Nepharski
Nov 7 2006, 11:37 PM
I fail to see how the Democrats could fair any better, aside from their "Clean" track record which in and of itself is riddled with indecision. Checks and balancesare well and good, and mistakes have been made (Ho ho, yes have they been made), but I doubt the Democrats will provide a suitable savior of any kind.
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 12:00 PM
..breaking news..
Intellectual debate aside, right now, "balance of power" for the U.S. Senate hangs on the hands of hundreds of lawyers descending on Virginia for the "recount battle"...

At least, (Defense Secretary) Rumsfeld is gone!!!
Nepharski
Nov 8 2006, 12:59 PM
I'm still waiting to see where the balance of power is for the court system. There's a disturbing trend here of court justices thinking they can dictate policy change, not that anyone's caught them at it.
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 01:17 PM
^^ Oh yes, I think lots of people realized that awful "trend" during the Gore/Bush debacle, hence the intense battle (more so than already we'd seen) over the judges and justice's appointments since.
It's not the most desirable situation getting the Justice system deciding our election results, for sure, IMO. (But then, it's certainly better than getting decided by the coin-toss.

)
Mustang_93
Nov 8 2006, 05:53 PM
I am just glad that the Dem's have the house but the senate doesn't matter as much to me. Well the next two years are going to be very hard for Bush; working with Nancy Peolsi. Until we find out who won the Virginia Senate everything is up for grabs. If Allen wins the Rep's will have 50 seats and Cheney will decide who is the majority and we all know the anwser to that. From now to 2008 we can start the healing process and hopefully mend some bad relations with most of the world. Where i live all 3 districts went to the Rep's but Nelson (dem) stayed. The reason i don't want the senate as much because when 2008 comes around the Rep's can't say "Hey you can't controll all 3 branches!" But either way we have taken a new direction and only time will tell what happens. We just need to calm down and start working together.
Nepharski
Nov 8 2006, 06:21 PM
Err, Tombow, that's not exactly what I was hitting at. This has little to do will election results, if at all.
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 06:27 PM
QUOTE(Nepharski @ Nov 8 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]471463[/snapback]
Err, Tombow, that's not exactly what I was hitting at. This has little to do will election results, if at all.
@
Nepharski - I think I'm aware of Justice system butting into policy making.
(Unless I'm being totally off-base..

)
But since this is an election thread and we were just getting election results for 2006, I couldn't resist putting in my two cents on Bush/Gore debacle...
Mustang_93
Nov 8 2006, 06:31 PM
But if you read the earlier part of the thread most of it was spent on attacking me. But the judges does sorta loosely fit in with politics. Anyway we all know what is going to happen.
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 06:33 PM
@Mustang_93 - But, I wasn't attacking you...
So, what do you think will happen??
Mustang_93
Nov 8 2006, 06:38 PM
Well I thank you for that. But i think that the Dems get both the senate and the house and the next two years will be just partisan strife. But with the new Speaker and Sec. of Defence we may get out of Iraq. Atleast we might get something done before 2008. Bush probaly wants a "legacy" and his choices are immagration reform or ending Iraq.
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 06:45 PM
If Bush gets "legacy" for withdrawing from IRAQ war, I will laugh so hard I would die!!
'Cause,
he is the one who dragged us into that war to begin with!!

But, setting that aside, I agree with you that I think we are hearing the words "Exit Strategy" being whispered around the Capital Hill.
Mustang_93
Nov 8 2006, 06:53 PM
Well he will be our most hated president! <sarcasm> Or maybe he is a Homunuclus! </sarcasm> Well this century pretty much everything has gone to hell. sorry my computer froze ans i clicked far to many times...
Tombow
Nov 8 2006, 06:59 PM
Aha, the board just made a hiccup, I guess.
@
Mustang_93 - We can ask Mod-sama to delete a couple of your extra posts.
Celestial Shadow
Nov 8 2006, 07:03 PM
*Random thought* Independents are cool but never win any important positions.
@Tombow- I fizzeded it.
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