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Roy Jr.
Read this situation:

Ammie told her friends that she had just met Jessica Marino, a woman running for position of city mayor, and she was impressed by how articulate and knowledgeable she seemed. One of her friends, Mike, commented, "maybe so, but no woman candidate will get my vote."

What could Ammie say? What might happen? huh.gif


Sexual discrimination is still present. Even though women are taking jobs which were originaly done by men, they are still being discriminated.


Express your views on this.


Watch this AMV to lighten up your mood. Anything you can do, I can do better. laugh.gif


(I made this because my mom's job application was turned down just because she's female.)
Popogeejo
I don't see Ammies problem. If Ammie is to stupid to think up a half decent counter argument then it's her problem. The fact it's about a disscussion about a female elctoral candidate leaves me confused about what we're talking about: Ammie being thick or the guy not voting on grounds of gender bias.

I'll assume it's about Ammie being thick;

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What could Ammie say?


Ammie could have said "Well whats wrong with being a woman?" for a start, pointed out how Ms. Marino's stances and views were suppirior to the other candidates and generaly talked her up.

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What might happen?

The worst that could have happend is that the guy beats, rapes and murders her but more likely he just wouldn't listen. More likely still is that he will consider what she said, have an innner debate an then vote for someone else based on other reasons.

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Sexual discrimination is still present. Even though women are taking jobs which were originaly done by men, they are still being discriminated.


Women have the vote, have almost absolute power over most men and get lighter prison sentences or criminal fines. There better of the than poor Black guys atleast. rolleyes.gif

Ofcourse sometimes men are at the reciving end of Gender Bias;
Man hits man > Man = thug
Man hits Woman > Man = Monster
Woman hits man > Man = b*tch
Woman hits Woman > Woman = Catty

Semi-citation. The husband (Ross Kemp) is British TV hardman. The media pretty much made it a big joke. If it had been Ms. Wade on the reciving end it would have been vastly diffrent.

I'm not saying women aren't discriminated against, I'm just saying there is also gender Bias against men (lesser though it is).

infact Women are making tremendous progress and are meerly waylaid by certian stupid femminists.
There were huge arguments over "Should it be Policeman or Policeperson?"
Who the hell cares? When you're trying to solve a triple homicide I don't think simantics really matters.
Then you have the hypocrisy of having "Girls only book/card clubs" while bitching about male only clubs.
It's femminists like that who weaken the cause of all women.

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(I made this because my mom's job application was turned down just because she's female.)


I somehow doubt thats true (from a legal point of view atleast).


Also the AMV only serves to irrritate me. Watching two people have a contest to see who can sing higher only cheapens he gender "war." (I'm aware it's just a "funny" song...)

Please excuse any bad spelling. It's 3:40am and bloody humid. I'm only here because I can't get to sleep...
Roy Jr.
QUOTE(popogeejo @ Sep 6 2006, 07:43 PM) [snapback]442742[/snapback]

I don't see Ammies problem. If Ammie is to stupid to think up a half decent counter argument then it's her problem. The fact it's about a disscussion about a female elctoral candidate leaves me confused about what we're talking about: Ammie being thick or the guy not voting on grounds of gender bias.

I'll assume it's about Ammie being thick;

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What could Ammie say?


Ammie could have said "Well whats wrong with being a woman?" for a start, pointed out how Ms. Marino's stances and views were suppirior to the other candidates and generaly talked her up.

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What might happen?

The worst that could have happend is that the guy beats, rapes and murders her but more likely he just wouldn't listen. More likely still is that he will consider what she said, have an innner debate an then vote for someone else based on other reasons.

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Sexual discrimination is still present. Even though women are taking jobs which were originaly done by men, they are still being discriminated.


Women have the vote, have almost absolute power over most men and get lighter prison sentences or criminal fines. There better of the than poor Black guys atleast. rolleyes.gif

Ofcourse sometimes men are at the reciving end of Gender Bias;
Man hits man > Man = thug
Man hits Woman > Man = Monster
Woman hits man > Man = b*tch
Woman hits Woman > Woman = Catty

Semi-citation. The husband (Ross Kemp) is British TV hardman. The media pretty much made it a big joke. If it had been Ms. Wade on the reciving end it would have been vastly diffrent.

I'm not saying women aren't discriminated against, I'm just saying there is also gender Bias against men (lesser though it is).

infact Women are making tremendous progress and are meerly waylaid by certian stupid femminists.
There were huge arguments over "Should it be Policeman or Policeperson?"
Who the hell cares? When you're trying to solve a triple homicide I don't think simantics really matters.
Then you have the hypocrisy of having "Girls only book/card clubs" while bitching about male only clubs.
It's femminists like that who weaken the cause of all women.

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(I made this because my mom's job application was turned down just because she's female.)


I somehow doubt thats true (from a legal point of view atleast).


Also the AMV only serves to irrritate me. Watching two people have a contest to see who can sing higher only cheapens he gender "war." (I'm aware it's just a "funny" song...)

Please excuse any bad spelling. It's 3:40am and bloody humid. I'm only here because I can't get to sleep...

About that, the interviewer deirectly spat it on her face.(The interviewer was obviously pissed of for some reason. But he didn't have the right to do that.)
But...
Once again, you're the first to reply.
You gave great feedback, and I respect your opinion.
Actually, you enlightened me. wink.gif
Popogeejo
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About that, the interviewer deirectly spat it on her face.


You could have said that from the start. In some countries that could be seen as assult...Where are you (simply so I know the cultral situation abit better), you can just say what country?
Roy Jr.
Oh well, I live in the Philippines.
And yeah, it was an assault and my dad is filing a complaint.
Tombow
QUOTE(Roy Jr. @ Sep 6 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]442786[/snapback]
Oh well, I live in the Philippines.
And yeah, it was an assault and my dad is filing a complaint.
Well, in the U.S., we have many female Mayers, and Senetors, and representatives, and these days they are common enough that I don't think being a female candidte is considered disadvantage for those positions.

However, the Presiden of the U.S., now that's a different story.
So far, we have had no female President.
Is U.S. ready for female president?? I'm not sure.

In that regard, I think Philippines are ahead of U.S., with Mrs. Cory Aquino having been president. sleep.gif

But, yeah, I think both Philippines and U.S. still have a long way to go before being free of any sexual discriminations (if any such state can exists.).
Chiyo
We did have a female Prime Minister, and she was either feared or hated, respected perhaps by the people in her party. Whatever people felt she got into power and was certainly never looked down upon just because she was a woman.

I don't think the sexes are equal when it comes to the work place, but in saying that women have nearly always had maternity leave whereas men have had to fight for paternity leave.
ed_drink_your_milk
QUOTE(Chiyo @ Sep 7 2006, 03:32 AM) [snapback]442876[/snapback]

I don't think the sexes are equal when it comes to the work place, but in saying that women have nearly always had maternity leave whereas men have had to fight for paternity leave.


Well yeah, that's because men don't get pregnant!

Well, I think that there is still gender discrimination in some places and situations, but overall, I think that we're doing pretty well. Actually, i think some feminists take it a few steps to far, trying to get rights tha nobody else has and when they don't get them they complain of discrimination. Also, i think that the whole college sport situation has gotten quite rediculous. I agree that if there are enough women to start a team, a team should be started, but to cancel mens sports just because there aren't enough women to start a women team is rediculous. I mean, honestly, how many women want to wrestle in college. Not many. BUt that shouldn't mean that there can't be a mens team, and that has happened at some colleges before. I think that fighting for womens rights is great, but in moderation and within reason.

(btw, i live the the USA)
Matt Perry
Typically, the problem is...

Women want equality without the negatives. In some cases, I can understand where you feel its not equal, like the branches of government, however it getting better,

In factories. Women may not wish to I dunno, get dirty, hurt themselves, etc.. May feel that men have it easier without a degree. Wrong, you see, if you are not successful, you can't choose. But, some may still wish of that. I mean, I've yet to look at statistics showing this, but it could be a problem.

In businesses, if a man says somethignsexual or so about a woman, they have to go to a class to show them how to treat a lady? Yeah, that's fair. God knows women will use slander and libel.

Typically, women get the better, paternity leave, not sure for how long as stated above, ettiquette(sp) classes, etc..

Females, in their teenage years, can babysit. Now look this may not seem liek a huge job but some people will pay tons for this, however most parents aren't to reluctant about allowing a male watch their female child, or their younger child, however they do females. Now, there are rare occasions when males are able to be placed in a babysitting position, but mainly females.

I don't see where the equality issue is?

Job applications cannot be turned down due to race or sex, it is a law of america. So, if someone feels that is why they did not get the job, they can bring that up with the "super-intendant" of the business/factory/other work place.


..//Perry
Carnal Malefactor
No women in my army.
Toby-Chan
QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]442983[/snapback]

No women in my army.



No men on my internets. GTFO.
ed_drink_your_milk
QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]442983[/snapback]

No women in my army.

Why not??

QUOTE(Matt Perry @ Sep 7 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]442982[/snapback]


Females, in their teenage years, can babysit. Now look this may not seem liek a huge job but some people will pay tons for this, however most parents aren't to reluctant about allowing a male watch their female child, or their younger child, however they do females. Now, there are rare occasions when males are able to be placed in a babysitting position, but mainly females.


well, that goes the other way too. not many people will hire a female to say..mow the lawn, or get a paper route, stuff like that.

and, when i was six or so I had a male babysitter!
Carnal Malefactor
QUOTE(ed_drink_your_milk @ Sep 7 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]442985[/snapback]

QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]442983[/snapback]

No women in my army.

Why not??

Because the average woman is far less capable of handling the mental and physical demands of armed combat than the average man.
Toby-Chan
In that case, no caucasians in my army while we're in the desert. The average caucasian is less physically and mentally prepared to deal with sunburn and heatstroke.
ed_drink_your_milk
QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:43 PM) [snapback]442988[/snapback]

QUOTE(ed_drink_your_milk @ Sep 7 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]442985[/snapback]

QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]442983[/snapback]

No women in my army.

Why not??

Because the average woman is far less capable of handling the mental and physical demands of armed combat than the average man.


true, but that's only the average woman! and anyway, the army needs more then just foot soldiers!
Carnal Malefactor
QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ Sep 7 2006, 04:44 PM) [snapback]442989[/snapback]

In that case, no caucasians in my army while we're in the desert. The average caucasian is less physically and mentally prepared to deal with sunburn and heatstroke.

That's a myth.
Toby-Chan
QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:47 PM) [snapback]442992[/snapback]

QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ Sep 7 2006, 04:44 PM) [snapback]442989[/snapback]

In that case, no caucasians in my army while we're in the desert. The average caucasian is less physically and mentally prepared to deal with sunburn and heatstroke.

That's a myth.


O rly?


Honestly, I don't care too much about the position of women in combat; their army, their rules. I do think it sucks when female soldiers are sexually assaulted by their own comrades and not given proper justice for it.


As for the whole sexual discrimination thing- in black and white as a principle, it sucks. But you have to be deluded to deny that there are basic differences, at least biologically and physically between the sexes. That's just common sense for things like athletics. However, in the workplace and other such related areas, it's silly to judge on anything besides personal merits.
Matt Perry
So basically females in the workplace cause a lot of problem with sexual desires. Fine, that's out there.
Popogeejo
QUOTE(Matt Perry @ Sep 8 2006, 11:26 PM) [snapback]443584[/snapback]

So basically females in the workplace cause a lot of problem with sexual desires. Fine, that's out there.


Wha?
Matt Perry
Had to actually use the true Add Reply button for this..

All that keeps coming up from people in this topic (Not everyone, but it has come up a bunch.) Is sexual harrassment/abuse from male to female, female on the recieving end of the abuse.

Men don't have associations that females have to go to if they are caught or heard abusing them, females do however, have classes for men to go and learn and understand a woman.

That's sexist. So, not only are the employers sexist, the classes featured off of abuse are sexist as well. It's a sexist predicament that won't be fixed.

I cant think of a better way to say it. Just the male to female abuse thing keeps coming up...
Chiyo
QUOTE(ed_drink_your_milk @ Sep 7 2006, 09:16 PM) [snapback]442974[/snapback]

QUOTE(Chiyo @ Sep 7 2006, 03:32 AM) [snapback]442876[/snapback]

I don't think the sexes are equal when it comes to the work place, but in saying that women have nearly always had maternity leave whereas men have had to fight for paternity leave.


Well yeah, that's because men don't get pregnant!


OMG you don't say? I better check my study books again dry.gif

Paternity is different to maternity. Why exactly should only the woman be able to see the first days of her childs life? Why can't the father spend time with his new-born child?
Roy Jr.
That is quite unfair.
A father's rights are always undermined.

That's why some companies prefer hiring men over women. Which is brings up two topics on work-related gender discrimination.

1. The father can't be with his newborn because he's male.
2. Women are treated unfairly in work bacause of their "weak" tendencies.
ed_drink_your_milk
QUOTE(Matt Perry @ Sep 8 2006, 03:33 PM) [snapback]443589[/snapback]

Had to actually use the true Add Reply button for this..

All that keeps coming up from people in this topic (Not everyone, but it has come up a bunch.) Is sexual harrassment/abuse from male to female, female on the recieving end of the abuse.

Men don't have associations that females have to go to if they are caught or heard abusing them, females do however, have classes for men to go and learn and understand a woman.

That's sexist. So, not only are the employers sexist, the classes featured off of abuse are sexist as well. It's a sexist predicament that won't be fixed.

I cant think of a better way to say it. Just the male to female abuse thing keeps coming up...


Well then, maybe someone should start a class for females. I dunno, it's a good idea, but until someone actually starts one, you can't really shout that it's being sexist just because females have started a class for males, but males haven't started one for females yet.
beyondredemption
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quote]In that case, no caucasians in my army while we're in the desert. The average caucasian is less physically and mentally prepared to deal with sunburn and heatstroke
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That's a myth.


sweety_pie
^beyondredemtion - You know, you edited out part of your post?
miracle_flame_alchemist147
Sexual Discrimination sucks! just because most men think that women are less capable of handling work that requires physical strength! It kinda reminds me of racism except that there are only 2 sides, men and women..
Amol
QUOTE(miracle_flame_alchemist147 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:02 AM) [snapback]481935[/snapback]
Sexual Discrimination sucks! just because most men think that women are less capable of handling work that requires physical strength! It kinda reminds me of racism except that there are only 2 sides, men and women..


Yea I'm sure there are place that you require physical strength that men have and women dont. I'm agaisnt sexual discrimintaion my self , but its useless to think that everyone can do everything. There are places where women are better and at places men are better and we must respect the work they do.
Nepharski
Sexual discrimination is certainly unfair; basic biology is no basis to judge a person, nor ethnicity for that matter.

That said, however, I believe there are fields men excel at more-so than women, and vice versa. Void mentioned military service, and I have to say I'd agree with him. By that same token, of course, I'd find women better caretakers of young children, being more the more nurturing gender. That's not to say we couldn't stand a role reversal, but I'm fairly certain if you did a study, one could confirm that one sex is superior in some respect to the other, but also inferior in other regards.

In certain political circles, specifically campaigning for president, words like "First female chief executive" tend to hover in the air. Would I vote for the first woman president? I would if she were qualified and believed she would steer the nation in the right direction, but I wouldn't vote for her solely because she's a woman, just like I wouldn't vote for a candidate simply because I'm a member of the party; that's just stupid.

Mind you, this also means I'm no friend to feminists and women supremacists. If women are equal to men, then the reverse should be true.
Stealth
QUOTE(Void @ Sep 8 2006, 07:43 AM) [snapback]442988[/snapback]
QUOTE(ed_drink_your_milk @ Sep 7 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]442985[/snapback]

QUOTE(Void @ Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM) [snapback]442983[/snapback]

No women in my army.

Why not??

Because the average woman is far less capable of handling the mental and physical demands of armed combat than the average man.


Well a have afew thing's to say about this, i am for women in the army and even have my own chat fourm.
here are some of my point's from my last debate.

1. The Israelis, Russians and Syrians who have had many women in the front lines state that sexual issues aside, the behaviour of male troops changes when females are in their midst. The males tend to see their female comrades as sisters rather than the dude next to them and unnecessarily put themselves into harmsway to help or comfort wounded female comrads or those in trouble thereby adding to the difficulties. Some experts attribute it to a form of chivalry that exists in all cultures, desire to gain favour with her which may see the relationship develop perhaps into one that is closer.



2.There are some female soldiers that DO indeed shoot better at ranges and training than some male soldiers.




3.Female soldiers have some stronger points than males in some areas and visa versa... when it comes to fighting and things of that nature....





In any event, seeing how our laws are moving towards greater equality I'd say let them in so long as she is physically able, not just to run, and keep up with the boys with all her geer, but alos be able to carry the biggest dude to safety on the battlefield should he get injured. The boys all gotta, and hey ... war is an equal opportunity kill.

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