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Chapter 61 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Jul 25 2006, 06:09 PM
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I think if Scar doesn't kill him, he'll tell/make him help to make up for what he did.


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post Jul 26 2006, 12:11 AM
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I think Scar will kill him aswell.

Oh yeah and off topic but Nepharski i just noticed your sig, did Riza really shoot Roy sometime or am i just missing something?
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post Jul 26 2006, 08:29 AM
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I don't think Scar is going to kill him just because so many people are coming to that conclusion and Arakawa-sensei has proven herself to be extremely unpredictable, but...well, I just can't think what else he could do.


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post Jul 26 2006, 10:16 AM
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I'd say that he would be about to kill him but would be interrupted by someone such as Envy. I'm assuming Envy has returned to his human form.


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post Jul 26 2006, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(TidyKiwi @ Jul 26 2006, 12:11 AM) [snapback]425810[/snapback]

I think Scar will kill him aswell.

Oh yeah and off topic but Nepharski i just noticed your sig, did Riza really shoot Roy sometime or am i just missing something?

It's a referance to the Anime. It deals with some fan controversy with the final episode.
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I don't think Scar is going to kill him just because so many people are coming to that conclusion and Arakawa-sensei has proven herself to be extremely unpredictable

Ah, but now that you've predicted that she won't kill him, she can't do that either. What now!?

Just because one plot point is predictable doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's the obvious path for things to go.


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post Jul 28 2006, 07:17 AM
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This was truly a great chapter - all backstories have been told and now we know of the pact between Roy and Riza. It should be back to modern day next chapter I think... Can't wait ^ ^


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post Jul 28 2006, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(Nepharski @ Jul 26 2006, 09:38 PM) [snapback]426021[/snapback]

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I don't think Scar is going to kill him just because so many people are coming to that conclusion and Arakawa-sensei has proven herself to be extremely unpredictable

Ah, but now that you've predicted that she won't kill him, she can't do that either. What now!?

Just because one plot point is predictable doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's the obvious path for things to go.

I'm not saying there's no way she could kill him and I don't mean it would be bad if she does. I'm just saying that usually she does something totally unpredictable with situations like this. I think there's probably going to be more to this than just Scar kills him or he doesn't.


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post Jul 28 2006, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(Nepharski Posted Jul 26 2006 @ 06:38 PM)
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I don't think Scar is going to kill him just because so many people are coming to that conclusion and Arakawa-sensei has proven herself to be extremely unpredictable

Ah, but now that you've predicted that she won't kill him, she can't do that either. What now!?
Just because one plot point is predictable doesn't mean it's bad, just that it's the obvious path for things to go.

And maybe she knows that everyone thinks she's not gonna do this because it is too predictable and she's actually gonna do this. My brain...


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post Jul 29 2006, 09:36 AM
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I don't know what reason Marcoh could still have to be in the story. He's done all the important stuff he was supposed to do. What's the point of keeping him alive if there's nothing left for him to do? Or maybe Arakawa has plans for him that I can't think of. Who am I to jump to conclusions?


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post Jul 30 2006, 03:41 PM
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I think that if Marcoh is left alive than he'll play another important part. Otherwise, Arakawa will probably take the oppurtunity to tie up the loose end.

Personally, I thought that this was an amazing chapter. It finally showed how Scar got his arm, which was something that I'd been looking forward to for a while. It was remarkably similar to the anime, though. I've been bad and haven't read through most of the thread, but I'll just throw this out- it's just been proven that Ed can get his limbs back. It might cost the life of whoever transmutes them on, and he might have trouble getting his own limbs back, but it can still happen. Scar's brother has shown that creating a new cyclical flow in a person is possible, whereas Mei had said it was not.

Scar's brother's research notebook will probably also play a part, hopefully. There was certainly some forshadowing there.

As for Kimbley- thinking about him more, it seems less likely that he must stay in jail than that he's kept there. Sure, they keep his hands apart, but he could always do something like scratch one of the circles into a wall and touch the opposite hand to it. Especially considering that he's constantly in close contact with a stone, it would be no problem. Personally, I think that Gluttony and Lust took him down. Lust didn't seem to have that many lives- Mustang only made her completely regenerate her body five or six times. It's not that many for a stone with that many souls in it. The logical conclusion is that she had already been badly injured and had never regenerated like Gluttony because Father had always needed her on the front lines. Gluttony's been killed more often, but still not as many times as I would expect him to need to be. Bradley killed Greed seven or eight times, and Ed cut him up pretty badly yet they still immersed him in acid to make him constantly regenerate his entire body and it still took him a period of time to 'die' and become the stone for Father to drink.

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post Jul 30 2006, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Jul 30 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]427504[/snapback]

I think that if Marcoh is left alive than he'll play another important part. Otherwise, Arakawa will probably take the oppurtunity to tie up the loose end.

Personally, I thought that this was an amazing chapter. It finally showed how Scar got his arm, which was something that I'd been looking forward to for a while. It was remarkably similar to the anime, though. I've been bad and haven't read through most of the thread, but I'll just throw this out- it's just been proven that Ed can get his limbs back. It might cost the life of whoever transmutes them on, and he might have trouble getting his own limbs back, but it can still happen. Scar's brother has shown that creating a new cyclical flow in a person is possible, whereas Mei had said it was not.

I tought Mei only mentioned that you can't regrow limbs. If you had a limb to take, you could fasten it with Alchemy. Need to be very precise, though.

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As for Kimbley- thinking about him more, it seems less likely that he must stay in jail than that he's kept there. Sure, they keep his hands apart, but he could always do something like scratch one of the circles into a wall and touch the opposite hand to it. Especially considering that he's constantly in close contact with a stone, it would be no problem. Personally, I think that Gluttony and Lust took him down. Lust didn't seem to have that many lives- Mustang only made her completely regenerate her body five or six times. It's not that many for a stone with that many souls in it. The logical conclusion is that she had already been badly injured and had never regenerated like Gluttony because Father had always needed her on the front lines. Gluttony's been killed more often, but still not as many times as I would expect him to need to be. Bradley killed Greed seven or eight times, and Ed cut him up pretty badly yet they still immersed him in acid to make him constantly regenerate his entire body and it still took him a period of time to 'die' and become the stone for Father to drink.

Certainly possible. Someone had to grab him and throw him into that hole.


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post Aug 3 2006, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE(Nepharski @ Jul 31 2006, 12:37 PM) [snapback]427593[/snapback]

QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Jul 30 2006, 03:41 PM) [snapback]427504[/snapback]

I think that if Marcoh is left alive than he'll play another important part. Otherwise, Arakawa will probably take the oppurtunity to tie up the loose end.

Personally, I thought that this was an amazing chapter. It finally showed how Scar got his arm, which was something that I'd been looking forward to for a while. It was remarkably similar to the anime, though. I've been bad and haven't read through most of the thread, but I'll just throw this out- it's just been proven that Ed can get his limbs back. It might cost the life of whoever transmutes them on, and he might have trouble getting his own limbs back, but it can still happen. Scar's brother has shown that creating a new cyclical flow in a person is possible, whereas Mei had said it was not.

I tought Mei only mentioned that you can't regrow limbs. If you had a limb to take, you could fasten it with Alchemy. Need to be very precise, though.

Yeah, Mei said that you can't regrows lost limbs, meaning, at this stage, Ed cannot get his limbs yet unless he takes his limbs which Truth has in possession and attach them. In order for him to have human limbs without going to Truth, someone needs to give up limbs for him (like what Scar bro did for Scar). Scar bro gave up his arm and attached it to Scar using Alchemy, he didn't regrow it.


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