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An Inconvenient Truth (and About Global Warming), Or How I learned to start panicking and hate industry
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post Jun 26 2006, 01:21 PM
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Who's seen this film? Who can give an opinion on it?

I personally don't plan to see it because I already know quite a bit about climate change, but there are, much to my dismay, a lot of people in this country who question the existence of global warming. Hopefully it'll change some minds.


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post Jun 26 2006, 02:50 PM
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It's liberal trash. Just a pack of lies and stupid propaganda so those filthy pinko commieheads can... um... do something liberal to the world.


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post Jun 30 2006, 03:51 PM
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They say there's still debate in the scientific community as to whether anthropogenic climate change exists...

Guess what, there is no debate


It's a dangerous state of affairs if we're turning the validity of science into a right v. left issue. Science is apolitical. It doesn't serve any agenda other than that of discovery and the improvement of the human condition. That people on the right incresingly distrust science is a very bad sign.


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post Aug 10 2006, 05:13 PM
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I'm a lifelong environmentalist, so it appals me when people say that global warming doesn't exist.


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so after you vote


There is no poll though...

Couldn't we just freeze some of the billions, nay trillions, of gallons of water and stick on the moon untill we need it again?
Or how about we shift some in to water deprived areas of Africa after filtering out the salt? That'll counter rising sea levels and give Africa a helpnig hand.


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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Aug 10 2006, 05:25 PM) [snapback]430978[/snapback]

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so after you vote


There is no poll though...

Couldn't we just freeze some of the billions, nay trillions, of gallons of water and stick on the moon untill we need it again?
Or how about we shift some in to water deprived areas of Africa after filtering out the salt? That'll counter rising sea levels and give Africa a helpnig hand.

funny idea, but it dosen't work that way.


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Why can't we move frozen water to the moon? If sea levels are rising then wouldn't it be sensible remove the threat?


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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Aug 11 2006, 06:10 AM) [snapback]431294[/snapback]

Why can't we move frozen water to the moon? If sea levels are rising then wouldn't it be sensible remove the threat?


that's the problem, water that should be frozen, isn't, and we can't take a super large chunkof the antarctica, put it in a spaceshuttle and send it off to the moon. 1)In the current day and age, it's not possible and 2)the arctic animals would probably go extinct.

also, just a question, what would you plan on doing with all that frozen water on the moon??


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That's the problem, water that should be frozen, isn't, and we can't take a super large chunkof the antarctica, put it in a spaceshuttle and send it off to the moon. 1)In the current day and age, it's not possible and 2)the arctic animals would probably go extinct.


I never siad anything about it being Antartica...any water can be frozen.

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also, just a question, what would you plan on doing with all that frozen water on the moon??


Just storring it there untill sea levels receed (if they do). The reason I don't say we store it on Earth is that it would be easier to store and keep frozen up there.
I'm sure there are far less expensive ideas but planting trees won't help much as they produce Co2 aswell. Most of the the worlds oxgen is fron Algae anyway so it's that we should be concetrating on. Even then it won't reverse whats been done.


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Or... we can boost our environment (plant trees, help algae or whatever...) and cut down on using so much gas senselessly. And work harder on finding more efficient fuels with lower pollution. I am surprised people haven't really been trying to do this earlier on. Bleh, people never start worrying till we're on the bloody brink of extinction.


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Or... we can boost our environment (plant trees, help algae or whatever...) and cut down on using so much gas senselessly.


We'd have to plant alot of trees and such to even counter act the current polutoin. It would take ages before any progress would be made and in that time the Ice caps are still melting away. We can't just be thinking in the long term...

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And work harder on finding more efficient fuels with lower pollution.


It would still take time to become standardise and think about all the millions of cars that would become redundent, what would happen to them?

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I am surprised people haven't really been trying to do this earlier on.


People either didn't care or made it Someone elses problem.

While I know we need to look into better resources we still have the ice caps and sh*t going on.


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That is true, but I doub't we can have giant loads of ice shipped off to Mars or the Moon.

The only way to stop the caps from melting etc is kill all forms of animal life that emit greenhouse gases, and use them as fertilizer for the plants to grow while simultaneously using no cars or any factories that emit any kind of air pollution (including electrical plants)! Muaha, that shall solve our problems.

At least try to make electricity more environmentally friendly, like trying to utilize solar, wind and water power... Doing something is better than nothing, I feel. Better to start late than never.

Who cares about the environment when we're gonna die of nuclear radiation? The nuclear winter will freeze the caps back. Sorry, I don't want any of that political war nonsense here... I just found it related somehow...


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That is true, but I doub't we can have giant loads of ice shipped off to Mars or the Moon.


Ok not the moon, that was more for spacial convinence, but theres thousands of unused square miles of desert(sp?)

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At least try to make electricity more environmentally friendly, like trying to utilize solar, wind and water power...


There are quite alot of Damns, Wind farms and other stuff like that but they don't generate as much and aren't as reliable. They're alo very expensive.

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Who cares about the environment when we're gonna die of nuclear radiation? The nuclear winter will freeze the caps back.


It would take thousands of nukes to get enough debris in the air to block the sun and even then most would come backdown within a short time.


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I was joking abut the nukes (sort of).

Anyway, spilling water upon the deserts of the earth wouldn't be very convenient, either. For that to be productive, you would need to use either farely clean, unsalted water, or use filtered water, which would be expensive to mass produce for the sole purpose of leveling the sea and watering the deserts...


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Anyway, the easiest way ( I say easiest because we've gotten to the point where there aren't any easy solutions) is to waste less, recycle more, conserve gas, and please, stop buying hummers!!!!


I was kidding about the hummer, but big gas guzzling cars like that are one of the main causes of global warming.


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