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Assisted Suicide & Euthanasia, Terri Schivao, and other cases
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post May 15 2006, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(DZBrick6 @ May 13 2006, 04:23 PM) [snapback]394794[/snapback]

My own personal opinion, harsh as it may be:

If somebody wants out of the game of Life that badly, so be it. I don't particularly care what the reason is, either, sick and dying, mentally or physically ill, even 'I'm so depressed, my boyfriend dumped me'...if you're willing to quit that easily, then get on with it. One less in the gene pool...


that's a bit too harsh for my tastes.

believe me if you knew what some people have to go through in certain medical situations, i bet you wouldn't dare say that.


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post May 18 2006, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(asu @ May 15 2006, 05:25 PM) [snapback]395829[/snapback]

believe me if you knew what some people have to go through in certain medical situations, i bet you wouldn't dare say that.


Actually, I DO know what 'some people have to go through', I've watched enough friends and family members go through it, and my opinion remains the same.

Examples, you say? OK, then...

My ex-father-in-law: died of kidney failure.

Good friend of mine: died of brain tumour (THAT one was truly horrific!)

Best friend's mom: died of ovarian cancer.

My grandmother: died of combination of heart disease and cancer (again, horrible to watch let alone experience)

My favourite aunt: died of lung cancer, never smoked a cigarette in her life...imagine suffocating slowly because your lungs are deteriorating and there's not a damned thing medical science can do to stop it.

These were all people in my life that meant alot to me. And they all said the same thing towards the end: "Why won't they just let me go?"

I'm sorry if you think me an obnoxious bastard, but that's how I think. Hopefully, you and I can remain on friendly terms despite our differences.


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post May 18 2006, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(DZBrick6 @ May 18 2006, 07:49 PM) [snapback]397567[/snapback]

These were all people in my life that meant alot to me. And they all said the same thing towards the end: "Why won't they just let me go?"

I'm sorry if you think me an obnoxious bastard, but that's how I think. Hopefully, you and I can remain on friendly terms despite our differences.


Nah I don't think you're an obnoxious bastard. Our health is something we all take for granted. For those people that want assisted suicide with severe medical conditions; they have reached the final stage of dealing with death. Acceptance. Could you imagine the emotional, mental and spiritual stress that would precede that decision? Especially with dealing with a long term illness...this might also bring into play depression. As any decent family member would do, you would be a bit selfish and push for that family member to continue living. No one wants to willingly let their loved ones die.

Medicine cannot prevent death. Patients can have a little bit of control over the manner and the timing of their own deaths....which makes death less frightening. And you avoid any extreme physical pain or limitation.

Keep in mind there are various ranges to this.

1) Assisted Suicide
2) Not accepting any medical treatment.
3) DNR request
4) Comfort care (Preference of patient comfort therapy in lieu of life-prolonging care)



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post May 18 2006, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(asu @ May 18 2006, 11:35 PM) [snapback]397601[/snapback]

QUOTE(DZBrick6 @ May 18 2006, 07:49 PM) [snapback]397567[/snapback]

These were all people in my life that meant alot to me. And they all said the same thing towards the end: "Why won't they just let me go?"

I'm sorry if you think me an obnoxious bastard, but that's how I think. Hopefully, you and I can remain on friendly terms despite our differences.


Nah I don't think you're an obnoxious bastard. Our health is something we all take for granted. For those people that want assisted suicide with severe medical conditions; they have reached the final stage of dealing with death. Acceptance. Could you imagine the emotional, mental and spiritual stress that would precede that decision? Especially with dealing with a long term illness...this might also bring into play depression. As any decent family member would do, you would be a bit selfish and push for that family member to continue living. No one wants to willingly let their loved ones die.

Medicine cannot prevent death. Patients can have a little bit of control over the manner and the timing of their own deaths....which makes death less frightening. And you avoid any extreme physical pain or limitation.

Keep in mind there are various ranges to this.

1) Assisted Suicide
2) Not accepting any medical treatment.
3) DNR request
4) Comfort care (Preference of patient comfort therapy in lieu of life-prolonging care)


Really, medecine could prevent death... there's no reason why people should die, but they just run down because of various controllabale factors. Some of the factors we just don't know how to control.

As far as your four things go:
1) Assisted Suicide
Again, I think that there should definitely be counseling. If, after a counseling and month long waiting period, the person still wants to go through with it, then so be it. And, again, people who do that over and over and never go through with it would be removed from normal society and given some sort of special treatment for the dehabilitating mental condition that they have.

A question, though- should minors be allowed to do that? Most of the time it is teenagers who want to kill themselves, and it's often because of hormones in the brain and suchlike. Should it be without necessarily having parental permission?

2) Not accepting any medical treatment.
That seems sort of stupid. When the medical treatment doesn't do any real good, like chemotherapy for a terminal cancer patient, then it does make more sense to let them enjoy their last few months. On the other hand, if it's a person who is could be saved or at least helped by medical treatment that isn't physically scarring in some way, then it's sheer idiocy not to take it. Doctors should be allowed to administer whatever medicines necessary to minors unless it has a risk associated with it that is disproportionate to the severity of the disease. Adults, I suppose, can make their own decisions.

3) DNR request
The person's not really alive there, so it's not really killing someone. To me, though, a DNR as written seems silly. I'd rather have it be something like DNKAOMIICBDACRL/ANRL (do not keep on machines if i'm brain dead and can't really live/am not really living.) Of course, DNR is a much nicer little acronym.

4) Comfort care (Preference of patient comfort therapy in lieu of life-prolonging care)
I think that I covered this under not accepting medical treatment.

Those cover it pretty well!

Thanks for changing the poll, mini. Your new avvy is awesome, btw.


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post May 18 2006, 09:22 PM
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A question, though- should minors be allowed to do that? Most of the time it is teenagers who want to kill themselves, and it's often because of hormones in the brain and suchlike. Should it be without necessarily having parental permission?


If it's not medically pertinent, terminal cancer, life on a ventilator or on dialysis.......then it shouldn't have to do with doctors. These kids need counselling or they could just kill themselves on their own. Their parents / guardians probably have control of their medically related decisions in any case.

for #2
This could be for religious or cultural reasons. Still it's a personal decision. Plus even in the case of minors, Doctors need consent of either the patient or their medical proxy for all medically related decisions. They are ethically and legally held to this.

for #3
If a patient goes under cardiopulmonary arrest, You can't use resucitation, cardioversion or intubation on them if they have a DNR written in advance. This includes using defibrilators to stop cardiac arrest.








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QUOTE(DZBrick6 @ May 14 2006, 08:53 AM) [snapback]394794[/snapback]

My own personal opinion, harsh as it may be:

If somebody wants out of the game of Life that badly, so be it. I don't particularly care what the reason is, either, sick and dying, mentally or physically ill, even 'I'm so depressed, my boyfriend dumped me'...if you're willing to quit that easily, then get on with it. One less in the gene pool...

I'm with you oon this one.

If you are to help someone commit suicide it gets called murder
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post May 25 2006, 01:51 PM
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I have no problem with assisted suicide as long as the person being killed has decided on it himself. If you wanna kill yourself, fine. Now, when the person being killed has no say in it...

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Terry Shiavo was dead. All that was being kept alive was a body which could eat, sleep, and go through the motions of living, but the actual person was dead. All of her brain but for her medula (which controls simple bodily functions) was dead, and she couldn't feel emotions or actlike a person or anything. It's just a hunk of meat, not really a person, and just a body that's only alive because of machines isn't really alive.

I know I`m a bit late responding on this and I don`t want to start an argument over this. I just wanted to say that this comment brought me to tears. "It`s just a hunk of meat"? Really, how could you say that about another human being. It`s sad really...


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QUOTE(AndroidLust @ May 25 2006, 04:51 PM) [snapback]400856[/snapback]

QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ May 13 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]394744[/snapback]

Terry Shiavo was dead. All that was being kept alive was a body which could eat, sleep, and go through the motions of living, but the actual person was dead. All of her brain but for her medula (which controls simple bodily functions) was dead, and she couldn't feel emotions or actlike a person or anything. It's just a hunk of meat, not really a person, and just a body that's only alive because of machines isn't really alive.

I know I`m a bit late responding on this and I don`t want to start an argument over this. I just wanted to say that this comment brought me to tears. "It`s just a hunk of meat"? Really, how could you say that about another human being. It`s sad really...

I guess you've never been around dead bodies...or cadavers...


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QUOTE(AndroidLust @ May 25 2006, 04:51 PM) [snapback]400856[/snapback]

I know I`m a bit late responding on this and I don`t want to start an argument over this. I just wanted to say that this comment brought me to tears. "It`s just a hunk of meat"? Really, how could you say that about another human being. It`s sad really...

Attitudes like these annoy me to no end. The blind sentimentalism.


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QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ May 13 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]394744[/snapback]

Terry Shiavo was dead. All that was being kept alive was a body which could eat, sleep, and go through the motions of living, but the actual person was dead. All of her brain but for her medula (which controls simple bodily functions) was dead, and she couldn't feel emotions or actlike a person or anything. It's just a hunk of meat, not really a person, and just a body that's only alive because of machines isn't really alive.

I know I`m a bit late responding on this and I don`t want to start an argument over this. I just wanted to say that this comment brought me to tears. "It`s just a hunk of meat"? Really, how could you say that about another human being. It`s sad really...


Sorry to say this, but when someone reaches that state they ARE pretty much a hunk of meat. What makes us 'human' the way most people see it is our mind or, if you want to get religious, our souls. At that point she was a breathing lump of flesh. Not what I would consider to still be a person.
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well, i would probably assist in it if the person or the family of the person gives the go signal. of course after the counseling (<--- is that the correct spelling?) i would have to consider if the person is terminally ill. assisting in suicide can also mean not doing anything or removing therapy. there are do-not-resuscitate (<-- is this the correct spelling? sorry, im dumb today) orders from the patient himself... though it may seem inhuman, but there are views from theorists in bioethics that support euthanasia (even suicide)...


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QUOTE(AndroidLust @ May 25 2006, 01:51 PM) [snapback]400856[/snapback]
I know I`m a bit late responding on this and I don`t want to start an argument over this. I just wanted to say that this comment brought me to tears. "It`s just a hunk of meat"? Really, how could you say that about another human being. It`s sad really...


When you get to that state you are dead, all thats left is a functioning corpse, the human part of you is gone.


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