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Homosexuality & Gay Marriage, What do you think?
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post Apr 18 2006, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt Posted Today @ 12:51 PM)
I've noticed alot of people in the gay community are against bisexuals saying that their just confused, faking it, etc but I think bisexuallity is possible.

Woah, really? Well, personally, I know I both like men and women the same but that's just me, because I do know some who pretend they are bi, leaning towards men/women, but they do not seem confused or anything. So, yes, I think bisexuality is possible too, though that, like you already said, some are using this argument to look "cool". It's mostly girls who do that, I noticed. It's really stupid though.


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post Apr 18 2006, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(Void @ Apr 18 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]382978[/snapback]

I guess it all just depends on whether you act on it.

I think that's pretty much it. Like I said, I think everybody is bi on some level even if it's very minute and disguises itself as something else.
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I've noticed alot of people in the gay community are against bisexuals saying that their just confused, faking it, etc but I think bisexuallity is possible.

Woah, really? Well, personally, I know I both like men and women the same but that's just me, because I do know some who pretend they are bi, leaning towards men/women, but they do not seem confused or anything. So, yes, I think bisexuality is possible too, though that, like you already said, some are using this argument to look "cool". It's mostly girls who do that, I noticed. It's really stupid though.

Well I used to live in a prodominately gay neighborhood when I first hit the bay area and thus would hang out with a lot of gays and quite a few said that they didn't believe in bisexuality. It could be the same arguement that others have about homosexuals, lumping it into a catagory because they don't understand it. However this was in the early 90's so I'm not sure if the feelings are the same.

However, due to the hipness of being bi that has surfaced in the last 5-10 years the attitude might be the same.

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post Apr 18 2006, 02:03 PM
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It's alot of 15-25 year olds who se sexuality as a means to individuality.Bi sexuality has become a fashion like Goth,Skater or [insert another social group] which takes away from actual bi sexuals.
Basicly there's "Bi" and "Poser Bi" with the later out numbering the former.


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post Apr 18 2006, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(Void @ Apr 18 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]382978[/snapback]

Bisexuality is supposedly even more commonplace in nature than heterosexuality. I guess it all just depends on whether you act on it.


huh.gif Do you have sources?


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post Apr 18 2006, 07:04 PM
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Wow, I was sort of waiting for someone to start this topic...

Okay, I think that people are born(genetically prone) to favor a certain sex, or both sexes equally. The only 'nurture' aspect as opposed to 'nature' is the environment. If homosexuality and bisexuality are seen as acceptable lifestyle choices, then more people will be seen as homosexual and bisexual, but only because they won't feel that they need to hide it. Personally, I'm of the opinion that sexuality can be viewed on a scale, with heterosexuality at one end and homosexuality at another. The amount of people who fall at each place would be represented by a bell curve that's shifted towards the heterosexual side of the spectrum.

I also agree with mini and sin that there are a number of girls (not nearly so many males) who pretend to be bisexual or even lesbian simply for the 'image' or whatever. This is, I think, degrading to their sexuality and the general perception of gays and things. It leads people to believe that others can convert when, truly, they were never homosexual in the first place.


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post Apr 18 2006, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ Apr 18 2006, 09:33 PM) [snapback]383114[/snapback]

QUOTE(Void @ Apr 18 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]382978[/snapback]

Bisexuality is supposedly even more commonplace in nature than heterosexuality. I guess it all just depends on whether you act on it.


huh.gif Do you have sources?

I seem to recall molecular alchemist telling me something along those lines.


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post Apr 18 2006, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(Void @ Apr 18 2006, 06:51 PM) [snapback]383131[/snapback]

QUOTE(Toby-Chan @ Apr 18 2006, 09:33 PM) [snapback]383114[/snapback]

QUOTE(Void @ Apr 18 2006, 01:11 PM) [snapback]382978[/snapback]

Bisexuality is supposedly even more commonplace in nature than heterosexuality. I guess it all just depends on whether you act on it.


huh.gif Do you have sources?

I seem to recall molecular alchemist telling me something along those lines.


Fascinating... I'd be quite interested in a few credible links.


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post Apr 18 2006, 07:18 PM
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I heard that as well. That no one is completely hetersexual or homosexual. That everyone has a certain percentage of bisexuality.


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post Apr 18 2006, 07:28 PM
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Well, I actually disagree with that. There are some people who are completely heterosexual. They're rare, though. Most people would probably land at around 7.5 on a ten point scale with straight at ten and gay at 0. there are definitely men who could never imagine having relations with a man and women with a woman. They just find it completely repugnant. So, there are some...but yes, most people are at least a little bisexual or homosexual.


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post Apr 23 2006, 07:24 PM
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Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality is tough to talk about, especially for a religous person, like me, and discovering that their minds are born different is just...yeah... It is definetely something I'd have to research though. I just want to a youth conference with bunches of people and I am certain some of them were gay, and I can just imagine how hard it is for them to be treated or thought of like an outcast and listen to the preacher saying how homosexuality is wrong must be even tougher.

But, I do think that it is wrong. And even then just because it is a mental or physical problem doesn't mean they couldn't attempt to fix it.

Guys with a high testosterone level are prone to be more aggressive, and most of the time, there are your rapists. They cannot control their high tesosterone level, they were born with it. But just because it was something the rapist was born with doesn't make it anymore right.

I remember a preacher said that doing a sin is one thing, but doing it while being proud of it and bragging about it is a whole new thing.

So, my thoughts, is that if you're happy having gay sex with no guilt at all, then that would make it wrong, IMO, of course, because I'm almost certain that someone won't agree with me. tongue.gif

But it is definetely something I'd have to research more.


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post Apr 23 2006, 07:29 PM
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You just gave the reason why I'll never become a Christian.

Gratuitous guilt.


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The Christian's definition of guilt would be anything God says is wrong that you should feel shameful about, or feel bad even for what is morally corrupt.

In the Bible, God says that marriage is between two people that become whole, a man and a woman. This has been broken with homosexuality. Marriage is something honorable, and there is no honor in gay marriage, and they cannot multiply.

And God did not make homosexuals. He hates homosexuality, bisexuality, etc. but he does not hate homosexuals. If I were to guess, I would say it is something in their brains but I think it is really the emotional influence the person goes through during their life that they go through, and that it is something that can be fixed if they wanted to fix it.

I'm still very wishy-washy about this subject though.


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I'm still very wishy-washy about this subject though.

THis, and every other subject. rolleyes.gif

Look, there's clear scientific evidence now that homosexuality is neither chosen, nor learned. And if 'God' didn't make these people gay, then who did? And why should they be ashamed of something they have no control over? Telling a gay person to try not to be gay is like telling someone with no legs to walk. And telling them to be ashamed of acting on their sexuality is like telling the cripple to be ashamed of using a wheelchair.


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post Apr 24 2006, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE("FMS")
I do think that it is wrong. And even then just because it is a mental or physical problem doesn't mean they couldn't attempt to fix it.


You can't fix sexuality in the same way you can't fix the urge to eat or drink.

QUOTE("FMS")
Guys with a high testosterone level are prone to be more aggressive, and most of the time, there are your rapists. They cannot control their high tesosterone level, they were born with it. But just because it was something the rapist was born with doesn't make it anymore right.


People with higth testosterone still know the law.if they want unload then Porn and prostitues are a prefrable alternative to rape.You can't get a subsitute for an emotional bond.

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So, my thoughts, is that if you're happy having gay sex with no guilt at all, then that would make it wrong, IMO, of course, because I'm almost certain that someone won't agree with me


Should we feel guilty for breathing?you can't ask people to feel bad for someting that feels natural to them.So gay's do feel huge ammounts of guilt and deny their feelings.Some homosexuals do go into strait marriage where they are miserable.The partner can't be very happy either.

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And if 'God' didn't make these people gay, then who did?


Satan!Same sex relations are his choosen parth to Global conquest! rolleyes.gif




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post Apr 24 2006, 01:32 PM
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Nuh uh uh...it's one of the seven sins I think laugh.gif

And it's really by instinct I think that's why two people of the same sex are oddly attracted to each other laugh.gif

It's happened before you know...

And besides I have a very tinnie tiny problem... happy.gif;;


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