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Freedom Of Speech Or Omgwtf?
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post Apr 13 2006, 09:43 AM
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These days Peter Parker would have sued for being bitten by that Spider.

But I digress(again)

Freedom of speech was a Niave idea that can't work.


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post Apr 13 2006, 02:38 PM
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What does Peter Parking being bit by a spider have to do with free speech?

I think freedom of speech does work, but since we (the US) live in this fluffy PC world where everybody is just ready to be offending by something it's taking quite a beating.

Howard Stern is a good example. He has been fined by the FCC for saying things that other radio/tv shows can get away with without anybody batting an eye. Since he is so famous more people complain about him and thus he gets fined more often than others in his field.
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post Apr 13 2006, 02:46 PM
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What does Peter Parking being bit by a spider have to do with free speech?


We were talking about how people sue first and ask questions never.


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post Apr 13 2006, 04:48 PM
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But that isnt relevant anymore really.. mellow.gif

I do agree that free speech is something that was a good idea to start with, but it was an idea and will eventually be so restricted with laws and regulations, that it will become a list of what you can say.. dry.gif


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post Apr 15 2006, 10:34 AM
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Huzah for Political Correctness.
"White people can't call black pople black,asian people asain and Vis versa"
Basicly you can't say anything about people diffrent from you so technicly you have to treat people based on appearance/Sexuality/Religion rather than treating them as individuals.

If you're white police officer and you carrest a white guy it's doing your job,if you arrest a black guy it's "because of his race"

PC doesn't work in a soceity which has jerks in it.


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post Apr 15 2006, 10:45 AM
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Let me just say that no government is perfect, no government will ever be perfect, and no one's even close.


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post Apr 15 2006, 12:52 PM
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Political correctness doesn't work. Because just like most everything else people don't know how to balance it out. PC does not apply to everyone of every race, gender or system of belief, someone has to be the pariah. People love scapegoats, it makes them feel better about themselves to blame someone/something else for the evils of the world.

It's like communism, it works well in theory but executes poorly in real life. All PC as done is given a large group of people a thin skin and not even about things that are all that important.

Yes, there will be jerks in the world. Yes, these jerks will make fun of people who are different than themselves but this is nothing new. Throughout history people have always been xenophobic.

Somewhere in the prehistoric times there were two guys who lived across the river from each other and would make fun of and throw rocks at each other because one used a spear to hunt and wore war paint. The second guy made fun of the first guy because he used a bow and arrow to hunt and didn't wear paint.

It's just human nature to be an ass sometimes. You can either accept that people will say things you find offensive go on with your life or you can spend a good chunk of your life whining bitching an moaning about it.
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post Apr 15 2006, 12:58 PM
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It's just human nature to be an ass sometimes. You can either accept that people will say things you find offensive go on with your life or you can spend a good chunk of your life whining bitching an moaning about it.


I'm pretty sure I'm the ass most of the time.

The way I see it is that we're taught to except others belifes.All noice and happy untill some says all Gays are evil.Now we are supposed to respect that are we not?My mum was watching Rikki Lake (Don't know why) and they had a homophobe and tried to get him to except Gays as a "way of encouraging toloerance" but wait a second aren't we just saying he's wrong and we're right?

PC doesn't mean toloeance it mean we all have to hold hands and dance under a big simliey Rainbow while singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing"

PC sucks.


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post Apr 15 2006, 10:10 PM
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Christians want legal exemption to express their bigotry openly

Free speech is so easily perverted...


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post Apr 16 2006, 10:11 AM
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Well the Christians are technicly right even if I don't like it.freedom of speech should work both ways.You've got to take the bad with the good.Sadly unless the unwashed masses IQ jumps about 25 points then there will be more "OMG fag loser" than understanding.


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post Apr 16 2006, 10:11 AM
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^^Indeed it is.

However, if you truly want freedom of speech then that includes the ignorant as well.
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post Apr 16 2006, 05:58 PM
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However, if you truly want freedom of speech then that includes the ignorant as well.


Can't we just have it so you have to pass an IQ test* to get freedom of speech.It won't stop every biggot but it'll thin their ranks somewhat.

Time for Popo's super-happy-fun-sweeping generalisations biggrin.gif Joy!
Librals don't want free speech,they want everyone to agree with their leftie view.
Republicans just want the same thing as the Liberals but a bit more extreme.
The UK parties just want everyone to have a cup of tea,calm down and shw unrealistic and impracticla ammounts of resspect to eachother.(Unless you happen to be Prince Phillip who can say absolutly anything.)

*I'm aware of the inpracticality and implications of this method.


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post Apr 16 2006, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Apr 16 2006, 05:43 PM) [snapback]381917[/snapback]

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However, if you truly want freedom of speech then that includes the ignorant as well.


Can't we just have it so you have to pass an IQ test* to get freedom of speech.It won't stop every biggot but it'll thin their ranks somewhat.

Time for Popo's super-happy-fun-sweeping generalisations biggrin.gif Joy!
Librals don't want free speech,they want everyone to agree with their leftie view.
Republicans just want the same thing as the Liberals but a bit more extreme.
The UK parties just want everyone to have a cup of tea,calm down and shw unrealistic and impracticla ammounts of resspect to eachother.(Unless you happen to be Prince Phillip who can say absolutly anything.)

*I'm aware of the inpracticality and implications of this method.


I have actually setgested an IQ test is required for most things, ^^

most of your genraligations are fine and good.. XD
and the Prince can say most things, but if you want an exapmle of someone who cocks up when talking in public, Mayor of London.. dry.gif


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Prince can say most things, but if you want an exapmle of someone who cocks up when talking in public, Mayor of London


Yeah but could he do this?

The problem is people don't realize how great "free speech" is untill they don't have it.they treat it like a right (mostly because of it's name) but it's a privalige.Governments don't have to lets us sa what we want bu they do(kinda.)


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How's this thread still doing?
I haven't had time to really be on these forums nor even to make fun of bryantq to his face sad.gif

anyways here's some other free speech related material

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Dear Viewer,

Thank you for your correspondence regarding the "South Park" episodes
entitled "Cartoon Wars." We appreciate your concerns about censorship
and the destructive influence of outside groups on the media,
entertainment industry and particularly Comedy Central.

To reiterate, as satirists, we believe that it is our First Amendment
right to poke fun at any and all people, groups, organizations and
religions and we will continue to defend that right. Our goal is to
make people laugh and perhaps, if we're lucky, even make them think in
the process.

Comedy Central's belief in the First Amendment has not wavered, despite
our decision not to air an image of Muhammad. Our decision was made not
to mute the voices of Trey and Matt or because we value one religion
over any other. This decision was based solely on concern for public
safety in light of recent world events.

With the power of freedom of speech and expression also comes the
obligation to use that power in a responsible way. Much as we wish it
weren't the case, times have changed and, as witnessed by the intense
and deadly reaction to the publication of the Danish cartoons, decisions
cannot be made in a vacuum without considering what impact they may have
on innocent individuals around the globe.

It was with this in mind we decided not to air the image of Muhammad, a
decision similar to that made by virtually every single media outlet
across the country earlier this year when they each determined that it
was not prudent or in the interest of safety to reproduce the
controversial Danish cartoons. Injuries occurred and lives were lost in
the riots set off by the original publication of these cartoons. The
American media made a decision then, as we did now, not to put the
safety and well being of the public at risk, here or abroad.

As a viewer of "South Park," you know that over the course of ten
seasons and almost 150 episodes the series has addressed all types of
sensitive, hot-button issues, religious and political, and has done so
with Comedy Central's full support in every instance, including this
one. "Cartoon Wars" contained a very important message, one that Trey
and Matt felt strongly about, as did we at the network, which is why we
gave them carte blanche in every facet but one: we would not broadcast a
portrayal of Muhammad.

In that regard, did we censor the show? Yes, we did. But if you hold
Comedy Central's 15-year track record up against any other network out
there, you'll find that we afford our talent the most creative freedom
and provide a nurturing atmosphere that challenges them to be bold and
daring and places them in a position to constantly break barriers and
push the envelope. The result has been some of the most provocative
television ever produced.

We would like nothing more than to be able to look back at this in a few
years and think that perhaps we overreacted. Unfortunately, to have
made a different decision and to look back and see that we completely
underestimated the damage that resulted was a risk we were not willing
to take.

Our pledge to you, our loyal viewers, is that Comedy Central will
continue to produce and provide the best comedy available and we will
continue to push it right to the edge, using and defending the First
Amendment in the most responsible way we know how.

Sincerely,
Comedy Central Viewer Services


Comedy Central's response to Cartoon Wars.....

discuss!~


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