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Freedom Of Speech Or Omgwtf?
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post Apr 12 2006, 02:24 AM
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http://theboyloveblog.blogspot.com/

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i didn't even know about NAMBLA before i watched that southpark episode...
this on the same sort of thing.... scary....

Should people be allowed to post websites like this (protected by freedom of speech) or should they be arrested...(because they are probably potential/current pedophiles)?

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post Apr 12 2006, 08:43 AM
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We don't have freedom of speech anyways.
It's illegal to shout death threats or say racist comments.

That site,while moraly questionalbe isn't really breaking laws.It has no kiddie images and is just talkng aboout an idea.I would be happier if such site weren't made but I would be a hypocrit if I told them not to.
There are alot of sites with equaly stupid ideas;
www.godhatesfags.com

Freedom of speech has to many problems but we can't go back on it.You just need to take the bad with the Good.


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post Apr 12 2006, 06:37 PM
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In the US freedom of speech is so fundamental that it is understood that the right itself outweighs any general social unrest. Most of our freedoms actually do this.

Of course the freedom itself has been re-interpreted many times to water it down somewhat (i.e. immenant threat, etc...), but it is still a nearly sacred freedom in the US.

It is fairly interesting to think about the philosophical climate at the time when the freedom of speech in the US was made an amendment. It was set up at the height of 18th century Liberalism


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post Apr 12 2006, 07:27 PM
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Yes, I think that freedom of speech is a fascinating issue too. One case that I like to cite is 'The People of the United States vs. Larry Flint,' about the general public attempting to censor his Hustler magazine for being pornographic and generally morally objectionable. Flint won, because, though most might disagree with his ideas, the defense showed that publishing his magazine was a basic right according to the Constitution. So, I think that it's interesting how even though most people might dislike a certain point of view, it's always legal to express it. However, it's illegal to express it violently, like cross burnings and things. I think that it works pretty well that way...


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post Apr 12 2006, 07:53 PM
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Of course as with any law, it's only as good as the court interpretations. I wish I was up to date on the supreme court rulings on many free speech cases.


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:00 PM
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The one that I find most interesting, actually (didn't think of this in previous posts) is how publicly, everyone is allowed to have free speech, but, in the government, there are sever restrictions.

Not only is this on CIA agents and suchlike, but also on the most basic government employees- schoolteachers, for example. They are not allowed to express the belief that there is a God, or that you'll go to heaven if you pray, or anything along those lines outside of a strictly historical context. This type of freedom of speech is limited for a reason- children are forced to go and here it. However, why can you not, therefore, argue that teachers should not be allowed to teach other so-called 'beliefs,' for example, that William Shakespeare actually wrote his plays when there is some evidence- even though it's flimsy- that the real situation is otherwise.

Just some food for thought (i'm not arguing the point, just playing the devil's advocate)


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(MonsterEnvy @ Apr 12 2006, 09:45 PM) [snapback]379735[/snapback]
This type of freedom of speech is limited for a reason- children are forced to go and here it.

Well, we really don't want any teachers like Socretes who was killed for corrupting the youth laugh.gif


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:13 PM
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You can't call people f***ing c**ts.Thats not allowing fredom of speech...




Note from Quistis: Even if you're just "quoting", please remember to censor your words.

This post has been edited by Quistis88: Apr 12 2006, 08:15 PM


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Apr 12 2006, 07:58 PM) [snapback]379749[/snapback]

You can't call people f*****g c***ts.Thats not allowing fredom of speech...


You can call people that, but its common curtesy not to and be polite enough to restrain yourself from doing this.
There is no law against calling someone that, or is there one that marraculously got through AND I ditdnt hear about it?

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I eddited the quote to fit in with Quissy's edit that wasnt there when I posted.


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:17 PM
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Your not allowed to make threatening remarks,swear at police or claim that people have done someting illegal/wrong that they haven't(Libal laws)

So couldn't say that Tony Blair sucks off goats unless I had proof or worded it as an oppinion.

@Quintis,Sorry I thought this forum did that automaticly.


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Apr 12 2006, 08:02 PM) [snapback]379752[/snapback]

Your not allowed to make threatening remarks,swear at police or claim that people have done someting illegal/wrong that they haven't(Libal laws)

So couldn't say that Tony Blair sucks off goats unless I had proof or worded it as an oppinion.

@Quintis,Sorry I thought this forum did that automaticly.


You can claim all you want that someone has done something.
Swearing at police is not something I do so im not informed as much in that respect
If you threaten someone, MOST of the times aslong as nothing happens, and all you will get is an informal warning from the police.


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:30 PM
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You can claim all you want that someone has done something.


You can't in Britain atleast.newspaperscan get sued if they make allegations about people without proof.The Magazine "Private Eye" is the most sued publication in the UK because of what it has alleged(All in jest ofcourse)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:39 PM
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Yuo can get sued if you do it nationaly so that it breaks down someones life, yes.
But that is allot different from what it sounded like you were saying to me.
EGs,
Will you ue me If I spread rumors about you?
I frequently accuse my sister of stealing my money/stuff, will she ever sue me?
Will some people sue me as I accuse them of being drug dealers? (No, they will beat the cr*p out of me dry.gif)


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:40 PM
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Depends on the people.We're solowly becoming a very litigous soceity where it's sue first and sue again later.


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post Apr 12 2006, 08:42 PM
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Dont have to remind me,
I still hate the fact that you can sue the councill because you fell off the pavment as there was a crack in it..
How many other people actually LOOK where theyre going and AVOID THE DAMN CRACK????

Or you sue someone because you got banned from somewhere for causing fights, and they win.. dry.gif


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