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After having read the chapter- The one change from the earlier translation that I was looking at was that Roy is no longger 'the flame alchemist' but using 'flame alchemy.' That makes a huge difference in the interpretation of that scene.
Instead of hin already knowing flame alchemy, Roy may not have learned it yet, which suggests that he got his technique from Riza's tattoo, and destroyed it in the process by using it and burning her back, I think. It makes all of the symbolism that i found on it moot, though.
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oh, i dunno if he would burn her back. That would be bad, bad Roy. I think more than likely, the scar is from Ishbal. (after all, thats what chappie 57 is called.)
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Whoa!! That sounds so intriguing!! Could you tell us the source of that information?? Did Arakawa-sensei say that?? Please tell us more about that!!
It comes from an interview with Arakawa in Newtype magazine Jan 2006.
Regarding her personal experiences, a conflict between the State Alchemists and Scar (in Volume 2 of the manga) is partially drawn from Arakawa's family background in Hokkaido. The aboriginal people of the region, she explains, are the Ainu. "My ancestors were farmers and homesteaders who displaced Ainu and stole their land from them. But ironically enough, some of my own blood relatives have Ainu blood in them. That seems complicated, but it's just an everyday fact of life to have neighbours of differing ethnicity." Scar is bent on exterminating the State Alchemists, ironically by using the very skill he despises. But rather than being your typical "evil antagonist," he's a survivor of a war arising from religious differences, in which the State Alchemists decimated his bordering homeland under orders. The allegories in her work aren't just relevent to Japan. "I think the truly serious problems in the world are when people don't make any effort to learn about these everyday situations, when they turn away from them or view them from only a single perspective."
Regarding her personal experiences, a conflict between the State Alchemists and Scar (in Volume 2 of the manga) is partially drawn from Arakawa's family background in Hokkaido. The aboriginal people of the region, she explains, are the Ainu. "My ancestors were farmers and homesteaders who displaced Ainu and stole their land from them. But ironically enough, some of my own blood relatives have Ainu blood in them. That seems complicated, but it's just an everyday fact of life to have neighbours of differing ethnicity." Scar is bent on exterminating the State Alchemists, ironically by using the very skill he despises. But rather than being your typical "evil antagonist," he's a survivor of a war arising from religious differences, in which the State Alchemists decimated his bordering homeland under orders. The allegories in her work aren't just relevent to Japan. "I think the truly serious problems in the world are when people don't make any effort to learn about these everyday situations, when they turn away from them or view them from only a single perspective."
That is so awesome.
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i just finished reading the chapter. gah. it's been like four days but i feel these comments come waaay too late. argh, stupid classes! can't my professors see that i have to read manga, darn it? oh well. better late than never.
you guys scared me, though-- just looking at the size of this chapter's threads and i thought "HOLY! this chapter must be totally awesome!" without knowing that you'd gone through 9 pages of thread before the raw even came out. not to mention 10 pages in this thread before the scanlation came out. wow, you guys sure are fast! makes me feel embarrassed that it took me this long to read the chapter...
some comments. and as always, keep in mind that i just read the chapter and haven't had time to really think things through. i'll try and venture some guesses but be aware that i'm almost always wrong about these things my comments are mostly to see if you guys can help me if i got something wrong smiley-heavy post!
oh, and of course:
UMEKO-SAN AND CSAKURAS-SAN, WE LOVE YOUUUUUUUUU~!!!
ok, now that that's said.
about the first flashback scene:
-liza's father was freaky. kind of a mix between tucker and hoho/father with yoki's nose. or well, whenever you give me a guy + blond hair + incredible alchemy knowledge i think of father and father = freaky, so yeah...
-i understand that you guys are all excited about the whole renkin/rentan/ougan-jutsu thing but do you think this great knowledge liza's dad was speaking about was that? rereading the scene i only got the feeling that they were talking about fire alchemy. because roy said he had only been taught the basics and fire alchemy is, after all, a specialty. and of course liza's dad would think it is the most powerful kind of alchemy, since it's the one he studied, not to mention that the tattoo on liza's back has the fire alchemy array on it. i don't think liza's dad (and so liza through the tattoo and such) holds the secret to the ultimate knowledge, the one truth. i think the passage was only relevant in that it gives us a background to who roy is to this day, as well as liza and their relationship. i didn't particularly have a "ZOMG HE'S THE ONE WITH ALL THE ANSWERS!!111oneone!!" kind of epiphany.
-the way he died is very similar to what izumi is going through, that i accept. he said he had already stopped researching-- maybe his condition was a product of that research. which brings me to my next point...
-i think he put that tattoo on liza to somehow pass his knowledge on. whatever he researched on during his study of fire alchemy was obviously dangerous and he knew he was going to die. he didn't want his daughter to go the same way, so he didn't actually teach her alchemy, but he had to find a way not to have his knowledge die with him. Thus he gave her the tattoo. and liza definitely knows she has it-- he tells roy "if you're saying you will use my alchemy... my power in the correct way, she will probably present the secret to you..." which is indicative that she knows she holds the knowledge, even if she might not know what that knowledge is. that would also explain liza's devotion to roy's cause: he'd have to go to great lengths to prove to her that he really is going to use this power for good. so of course after knowing that, she would trust her life to him in such a way. that is, setting aside the whole romantic thing... i don't think liza would be the kind of girl to give away her father's ultimate secret just because she fell in love with the guy. her father obviously trusted roy and so only when she knew he was a good guy, was that she gave him the secret. and then she fell in love with him and the burns on her back might've been from when roy finally used the tattoo to learn of the fire alchemy... or maybe the design would just start burning when someone activated the fire array. it could've happened in many ways.
-[obligatory shippy point of the scene] "roy, i'll leave my daughter to you..." =3 that's two people that have told you something along those lines so far. think it might be a sign? *pokes HNR until he blushes*
about edo and liza's conversation:
-actually... i didn't pay much attention to this scene. i was in happy-happy-edowin-lalaland the whole time ;;; seeing ed say yet again that he doesn't want to make winry cry was too much overload for my brain and then the "you love winry, don't you?" which almost made me fall off my chair, and i'm sure edo almost fell off his, too! it was too funny, the sole mention of love makes the prodigious fullmetal alchemist become a blabbing fool! haha. damn, if only al had been there, he'd have blackmail material to last for years! and i also liked a lot how liza analyzed his reaction-- "he's weak to direct hits": so liza! might be good advice for winry... just go up to ed, tell him "ed, from now on you're my boyfriend" and he'll be so shocked he won't be able to form a coherent sentence in a week, giving people enough time to spread the news to such a point that he won't be able to get out of the relationship mwahaha. and all of this is not mentioning the royai undertones-- of couse liza could emphathize with ed because she knows what he's talking about, she lives it day by day with roy-taisa. and she's obviously thought the whole thing through, for she was very calm during ed's whole story.
about the scar flashback:
-so scar's brother was working with rentanjutsu... and that means scar's tattoo might be connected to it... i guess now it makes kind of sense that arakawa-sensei paired mei-chan and scar in these last few chapters. i thought it was the oddest team possible but yep, i guess there's always some sort of connection.
-"one is all, all is one" to me sounds like what might be on the other side of the gate: the ultimate truth is that we are all just one whole thing-- divided into different races and religions and political views, but one all in all. and i don't mean only in regards to alchemy (that would be ouganjutsu, right?) but humanity as a whole. perhaps the universe as a whole. or maybe i'm just watching too much evangelion. get out of my head, instrumentality
about winry's parents in the flashback:
-man, i wouldn't have thought there could be such perfect characters in hagaren. i thought the norm was that everyone had to be messed up in some way. they are way too good to be true. they scare me just kidding, of course! they're awesome. winry's dad reminds me of... well... winry. i laughed so much when he said "now get your leg out" it was so much like winry scolding ed, and they had the same expression! and winry's mom is so pretty!
-so now we know that scar didn't intentionally kill them, or at least i don't think he did from the way arakawa-sensei went from scar's flashback to the rockbells'... she was presenting that they had different points of view but scar definitely hoped his brother could be right. so i don't think he killed them on purpose, there had to be some sort of misunderstanding there. drat. am i the only one in here who wanted scar to be really evil? i liked him better when he was blowing up people...
-who was mr. edge? did he die too? i know that he's probably just an extra character that doesn't hold much importance but still i feel sad...
the military part of the flashback:
-leizenburgh was targetted? how come that had never been mentioned before? (or was it and i forgot?) it seems like something winry and the elrics would remember. edward did say he didn't know much about the war... i'd figured it was because leizenburgh/resembool was never a part of it, but now that we know it was... seems kind of strange.
-basque grand!! kimbley!! (god i love that man, he's awesome. kinda like scar before he turned into a wuss...) the-other-guy-whatever-his-name-is!! wait, where's marco in that flashback? what was he doing then, he was in research, wasn't he? but he did, at one point, go out and kill ishbalans, right? aaaggghhh i forgeeeetttt... *cries*
-star wars references... oh, arakawa-sensei, i *heart* you. you're the best!
misc. stuff, mostly from people's previous comments in these threads:
-sloth. wow, i don't even remember where we saw sloth last. he's digging something? gosh, i have to get back on track...
-envy's harder to find than waldo! well, i'm not going to believe anybody is who they say they are until envy is revealed. it'll be a fun game: "scar killed winry's parents! why? because he's envy!! O_O" "kimbley went on a crazy rampage! why? because he's ENVY! O__O" "the ishbalan military men were imprisoned! why? because they're ENV--!! oh, wait..."
-i don't particularly think izumi's from xing, but she COULD be. OR she could be well-traveled. OR her sensei could've been from xing (no dante in this one, remember?). OR she could've read up on rentanjutsu. OR we could just be stretching things and she doesn't know any rentanjutsu at all. anything goes at the moment, there's nothing wrong with speculation, right?
-i can't decide if i think of liza as a virgin or not. all i can say is, if she has done anything, she probably never let go of her gun
-i'm ready for some ling/greed now. i really am. arakawa-sensei? did you hear me? *uses the force to communicate telepathically with arakawa-sensei*
-...and i'm sure i'm forgetting half the stuff i wanted to say whatever. feel free to bash me over the head if anything i said was completely stupid.
moving forward: AU, chaptered, high-school themed, but not your usual sweet-valley high school fanfic. edward elric has to become the best track runner there is, for his mother, for his brother, and for everyone else in his life. but will triumph come at a high cost?
what hagaren is all about: "YAY! UNETHICAL EXPERIMENTS ON HUMANS!" ~chapter 53 omake. "my pawn, my knight, my rook, my bishop... and my queen were taken away. but... there's still time... for a checkmate." ~col. roy mustang, chapter 62.
TEH SHINIES! (aka things i luv in FMA):
(translates to: edowin, human!aru, edo+win+aru friendship, royai & hughes-sama! ^.^)
-i understand that you guys are all excited about the whole renkin/rentan/ougan-jutsu thing but do you think this great knowledge liza's dad was speaking about was that? rereading the scene i only got the feeling that they were talking about fire alchemy. because roy said he had only been taught the basics and fire alchemy is, after all, a specialty. and of course liza's dad would think it is the most powerful kind of alchemy, since it's the one he studied, not to mention that the tattoo on liza's back has the fire alchemy array on it. i don't think liza's dad (and so liza through the tattoo and such) holds the secret to the ultimate knowledge, the one truth. i think the passage was only relevant in that it gives us a background to who roy is to this day, as well as liza and their relationship. i didn't particularly have a "ZOMG HE'S THE ONE WITH ALL THE ANSWERS!!111oneone!!" kind of epiphany.
-the way he died is very similar to what izumi is going through, that i accept. he said he had already stopped researching-- maybe his condition was a product of that research. which brings me to my next point...
So, even if he studied only a specialty, could have he opened the gates anyway? That be my doubt.
And what's with the coughing blood, anyway? \(`AŽ )/ I know it guarantees high-quality alchemy teaching (right, Redthorn? I read it already) but it's quite repetitive and unoriginal... Not only in FMA, I mean, but in manganime in general... why sick characters must always cough blood?! There aren't that many sicknesses (or they aren't that common) that make you do that (not that I know of, at least)....
-i think he put that tattoo on liza to somehow pass his knowledge on.(...)
Why, indeed. She's no alchemist, if she was taught all that stuff, the poor girl would probably remember very little and/or wrong... I think it's quite safe to assume that Hawkeye sensei meant the tattoo.
And what a father, BTW, completely forgetting about her daughter, and recalling only to tattoo her (man, that thing is painful, how can you do it to your own daughter when she's still a kid!)
-so scar's brother was working with rentanjutsu... and that means scar's tattoo might be connected to it... i guess now it makes kind of sense that arakawa-sensei paired mei-chan and scar in these last few chapters. i thought it was the oddest team possible but yep, i guess there's always some sort of connection.
Mei Chan said it herself, when she met Scar, that his tattoo was Rentanjutsu. And Scar said, as a reply, that it was given by his brother, who had been studying alchemy from Xing back at Ishval, so... no news here. \( u_u)/
-"one is all, all is one" to me sounds like what might be on the other side of the gate: the ultimate truth is that we are all just one whole thing-- divided into different races and religions and political views, but one all in all. and i don't mean only in regards to alchemy (that would be ouganjutsu, right?) but humanity as a whole. perhaps the universe as a whole. or maybe i'm just watching too much evangelion. get out of my head, instrumentality
"One is All, All is One" means what they said in this same chapter, back then at the Elrics' FB and at Izumi's gaiden. (That Everything exists because of the flow of all the little things, and its interactions, that create it, blah, blah, blah). Oh, and not "humanity as a whole", but Everything, the universe as a Whole, as you say. It is just a "clue", a "theoreme" (did I get this one right?) to get closer to True Knowledge (I think).
My guess is that this was here just to show that Xing's Rentanjutsushi were on the right path too, just like the Elrics and Izumi, who had gotten to the same conclusions thru' a different method.
I cannot make myself much clearer, m'afraid. Sorry
-man, i wouldn't have thought there could be such perfect characters in hagaren. i thought the norm was that everyone had to be messed up in some way. they are way too good to be true. they scare me just kidding, of course! they're awesome. winry's dad reminds me of... well... winry. i laughed so much when he said "now get your leg out" it was so much like winry scolding ed, and they had the same expression! and winry's mom is so pretty!
-so now we know that scar didn't intentionally kill them, or at least i don't think he did from the way arakawa-sensei went from scar's flashback to the rockbells'... she was presenting that they had different points of view but scar definitely hoped his brother could be right. so i don't think he killed them on purpose, there had to be some sort of misunderstanding there. drat. am i the only one in here who wanted scar to be really evil? i liked him better when he was blowing up people...
Scar has always been a pacifical but fundamentalist Ishvalan turned into a killing machine because of revenge... Look at when he was in the slums, way back. He's never been what you'd call "an evil psycho", (except, perhaps, at the beginning, when we supposedly didn't know much about him), at least to me. For now, he's always acted more or less as I'd have expected: Not "Evil", just your usual extremist. But "Scar didn't intentionally kill Winry's parents"? Why would we know that? Where do you take that from? If it's from the "understanding" lines, my guess is that that is there to show the tragedy of it to us, otakus readers, who know their fates...
On my hand, with each new chapter it becomes less probable, but I still (wanna) believe it might not have been Scar the one who murdered them, but that for some reason he willingly took the guilt for it. But, anyway, on this topic we shall see "soon enough" (that is, in 3, 4 more months... U) all the truth...
-who was mr. edge? did he die too? i know that he's probably just an extra character that doesn't hold much importance but still i feel sad...
Sad? Why? He's just a merchant who brought drugs and medical material to the Rockbells, who decided, upon hearing the rumours that Ishval would be "wiped off", to warn the Rockbells and bring them back. Since they decided to stay, he just went away by himself, so much probably neither he is an important character nor he died in the Ishval annihilation. Unless the situation changes, of course.
-leizenburgh was targetted? how come that had never been mentioned before? (or was it and i forgot?) it seems like something winry and the elrics would remember. edward did say he didn't know much about the war... i'd figured it was because leizenburgh/resembool was never a part of it, but now that we know it was... seems kind of strange.
Yup... That attack on Resembool... quite suspicious... maybe a point that will be brought up back in the future (since it didn't do much in this chapter)... On the other hand, that Resembool was heavily affected by the Ishval war, we did know: Ed could pass his lost limbs as "eastern conflicts damage", and Winry (or Pinako? not remember well) said that they could live well thanks to the Ishval conflicts, with the people from Resembool and surroundings being affected by the war.
-basque grand!! kimbley!! (god i love that man, he's awesome. kinda like scar before he turned into a wuss...) the-other-guy-whatever-his-name-is!! wait, where's marco in that flashback? what was he doing then, he was in research, wasn't he? but he did, at one point, go out and kill ishbalans, right? aaaggghhh i forgeeeetttt... *cries*
Marcoh did research on the Ishvalan prisoners, with them getting tortured and dead... (should I say "not necessarily in that order"? U), the usual stuff . He never took an active role on the war per se. (again, from what I know)
-i don't particularly think izumi's from xing, but she COULD be. OR she could be well-traveled. OR her sensei could've been from xing (no dante in this one, remember?). OR she could've read up on rentanjutsu. OR we could just be stretching things and she doesn't know any rentanjutsu at all. anything goes at the moment, there's nothing wrong with speculation, right?
As I said before, I don't think it's either of those. Izumi clearly came up with the "One is All, All is One" all alone by herself, thanks to her own alchemical genius (same as Ed and Al, altho' they got the hint from her), as seen in her gaiden. Again, I believe that that line is to show that Xing's Rentanjutsu is "on the right path", that it is closer to True Knowledge than yer standard Amestrian alchemist, not to relate Izumi with Xing.
-i can't decide if i think of liza as a virgin or not. all i can say is, if she has done anything, she probably never let go of her gun
This manga being a shounen, I think a specific answer to this question will not be given U, most probably the question's not even thought to be considered, as you say at first ("I can't decide if I think..."). We're just that obsessed on that topic I'd like to be wrong here, tho'.
It is the only aspect I still like from DBZ (and even GT) now, that characters in there, DID grow up, DID find their couples and DID "reproduce" as time went by. An unusual thing in shounens, if ya ask me...
PS: "You have posted a message with more emoticons that this board allows. Please reduce the number of emoticons you've added to the message" Haar?? LOL. Plus, for some reason it screwed my keyboard setting...
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^^ @simargl - Thank you sooooo much for posting that article!! You have no idea how excited I am to read that!!
JFYI: To those who might not have heard of this before... Ainu people had been living in huge part of Japan's main island, as well as in other islands north of that, before Tokugawa shogunate Government of Japan slowly pushed them off the main Japanese island.
They were completely different tribe from Japanese people (I say "were" because these days most of Ainu blood-lines have been mixed with Japanese blood, and it is rare, if not possible, to find someone with pure Ainu blood, I think...) with their own beliefs, cultures, language, and way of livings that were very very different from Japanese people.
But, Matsumae prefectual Government of Japan, which was located in the Northern part of Main Japanese island (that was sort of like, the Northern front line of Japanese tribal expantion,) wanted to expand it's territory by expelling the Ainu people from the area, and since the Matsumae prefectural Government was strongly tied to the Japanese Shogunate (Central) Government, it was sunctioned by the Japanese Government as well.
Eventually, Ainu people were confined to the Ainu reservation (sort of) in the Hokkaido island (that is located north of Japanese main island,) in the village of Shiraoi. (The similar way in history, as the way American Indians had been pushed into the Indian reservations in the U.S.) If you visit Hokkaido island, you'll notice many of land names there (and some in the Northern part of Japanese main island,) are Ainu names. (Just like we see many remaining Indian land names in the U.S.)
...I had been thinking about Ainu people, in connection to Ishivalns in FMA, ever since I saw Scar and Ishvalan people, but it seemed too far fetched of a connection, so I'd kept it to myself. I'm so excited to learn about this!!
OT: some trivia... Hokkaido island is (among other things) known for it's quality dairy products, and they have many dairy ranches with a field full of dairy cows. (hint, hint, Arakawa-sensei's trade mark cow, and her relatives/ancestral families being the farmers there... )
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-i understand that you guys are all excited about the whole renkin/rentan/ougan-jutsu thing but do you think this great knowledge liza's dad was speaking about was that? rereading the scene i only got the feeling that they were talking about fire alchemy. because roy said he had only been taught the basics and fire alchemy is, after all, a specialty. and of course liza's dad would think it is the most powerful kind of alchemy, since it's the one he studied, not to mention that the tattoo on liza's back has the fire alchemy array on it. i don't think liza's dad (and so liza through the tattoo and such) holds the secret to the ultimate knowledge, the one truth. i think the passage was only relevant in that it gives us a background to who roy is to this day, as well as liza and their relationship. i didn't particularly have a "ZOMG HE'S THE ONE WITH ALL THE ANSWERS!!111oneone!!" kind of epiphany.
-the way he died is very similar to what izumi is going through, that i accept. he said he had already stopped researching-- maybe his condition was a product of that research. which brings me to my next point...
So, even if he studied only a specialty, could have he opened the gates anyway? That be my doubt.
And what's with the coughing blood, anyway? \(`AŽ )/ I know it guarantees high-quality alchemy teaching (right, Redthorn? I read it already) but it's quite repetitive and unoriginal... Not only in FMA, I mean, but in manganime in general... why sick characters must always cough blood?! There aren't that many sicknesses (or they aren't that common) that make you do that (not that I know of, at least)....
A few things: First, an 'ultimate alchemy' has definitely been hinted at by Father, Hohenheim, and a number of other scenes and characters, including Riza's tattoo and Scar's tattoo. For the sake of argument, this is termed 'ougonjutsu' on these forums, just to give a name for it. Hawkeye-sensei may not know everything, but it's likely that he does not only know flame alchemy. Alchemists often acquire favorite circles and techniques, but, with a bit of practice, Ed could use Roy's alchemy, for example. It's all a matter of using your energy to flow through the circle and be changed by the runes and things correctly. The problem is, alchemists can't carry around lots and lots of circles. Ed is special because he can just do stuff, which is why his matter alchemy is so powerful- it's more powerful than most types of alchemy, and isn't used more frequently because you would need a tattoo with the same complexity and number of circles as Scar's to do it. Fire alchemy isn't even particularly powerful. It can't be used effectively in an enclosed area, for instance. Hawkeye-sensei is obviously talking about something much bigger, especially since he distinguishes between 'ultimate alchemy,' which Roy knows nothing about, and 'Flame Alchemy,' which Roy has learned some of.
He could have opened the gates if he specialized, but only if he specialized like Tucker did, in life alchemy.
Coughing up blood is used for a few reasons: 1. It allows the character to funcion normally and not have any apparent signs of illness. This is necessary for characters like Izumi, who are martial arts experts. 2. It's a sign of a very deadly and dangerous disease. What else would work? A lot of them can't be revealed to the reader easily, and a number would be too absurd. I mean, seriously, very low blood pressure? That's a pathetic ailment for an action manga. 3. I think that coughing up blood is a symptom of leukemia, and is widely regarded in Japan as the most serioius symptom you can have of a disease. 4. Izumi-only: Coughing up blood works perfectly for her 'ailment' She's supposed to. it's what happens if half your organs are gone.
-i think he put that tattoo on liza to somehow pass his knowledge on.(...)
Why, indeed. She's no alchemist, if she was taught all that stuff, the poor girl would probably remember very little and/or wrong... I think it's quite safe to assume that Hawkeye sensei meant the tattoo.
And what a father, BTW, completely forgetting about her daughter, and recalling only to tattoo her (man, that thing is painful, how can you do it to your own daughter when she's still a kid!)
I'm not sure how much of a kid Riza was. I believe that she was at least 18 at that point. She had definitely stopped growing when the tattoo was put on, or it would be very visibly distorted and useless. I think that all of the symbolism and stuff other than the array that roy uses is actually the important part of the tattoo. It's the true ougonjutsu, not just Roy's rentanjutsu interpretation.
Actually, I disagree withboth of you, though. Yes, he meant the tattoo, but I'd bet that Riza is necessary for the interpretation- someone couldn't kill her (or if she died by accident) and get the knowledge from teh tattoo, or risk someone publishing the tattoo and unqualified alchemist finding out the ultimate alchemy. She definitely knows something that's essential.
-so scar's brother was working with rentanjutsu... and that means scar's tattoo might be connected to it... i guess now it makes kind of sense that arakawa-sensei paired mei-chan and scar in these last few chapters. i thought it was the oddest team possible but yep, i guess there's always some sort of connection.
Mei Chan said it herself, when she met Scar, that his tattoo was Rentanjutsu. And Scar said, as a reply, that it was given by his brother, who had been studying alchemy from Xing back at Ishval, so... no news here. \( u_u)/
That's slightly incorrect. Scar's tattoo is a combination of both rentanjutsu and renkinjutsu, leading one to believe that it's some form of ougonjutsu. I had a theory a while back on what ougonjutsu actually is... the physical manipulation of the energy cycles in all things- using renkinjutsu on teh cycles that renkinjutsu uses. Mei chan will be useful to interpret and teach rentanjutsu to Ed and Al, and vice versa. We have one ougonjutsu artifact with a renkinjutsushi (Riza and Ed) and, until recently, another ougonjutsu artifact with a rentanjutsushi (Scar and Mei) Something will definitely happen when these two pairs sit down and have a chat about alchemy.
-"one is all, all is one" to me sounds like what might be on the other side of the gate: the ultimate truth is that we are all just one whole thing-- divided into different races and religions and political views, but one all in all. and i don't mean only in regards to alchemy (that would be ouganjutsu, right?) but humanity as a whole. perhaps the universe as a whole. or maybe i'm just watching too much evangelion. get out of my head, instrumentality
"One is All, All is One" means what they said in this same chapter, back then at the Elrics' FB and at Izumi's gaiden. (That Everything exists because of the flow of all the little things, and its interactions, that create it, blah, blah, blah). Oh, and not "humanity as a whole", but Everything, the universe as a Whole, as you say. It is just a "clue", a "theoreme" (did I get this one right?) to get closer to True Knowledge (I think).
My guess is that this was here just to show that Xing's Rentanjutsushi were on the right path too, just like the Elrics and Izumi, who had gotten to the same conclusions thru' a different method.
I cannot make myself much clearer, m'afraid. Sorry
Yes, equivalent exchange will not (hopefully) have the nasty impact it had on the anime. FMA will not have a touchy-feely ending with everyone of different cultures getting together and singing 'kumbaya' while Bradley uses his sword to cut vegetables and Evny turns into a dove and they all live happily ever after.
The ultimate truth across the gate will probably be something with a spiritual context. I think that part of it is what Scar's brother said abotu Ishuvara being the alchemic force.
Personally, I think that we're all mixed up. Across the gate is actually the big white empty space. This side of the gate is through all of the tentacly things, where you see all of the pictures and the light and stuff. you learn 'true knowledge' when you're going through the gate, in between. Truth has been taken out of the real world, and is suspended on the other side of the gate... perhaps they need to bring truth onto the other side of the gate? His body is actually 'all' and he is the 'one' that unifies it.. that's why he take people's body parts, he hungers for his own body... okay, that's waaay too much speculation. moving on.
-leizenburgh was targetted? how come that had never been mentioned before? (or was it and i forgot?) it seems like something winry and the elrics would remember. edward did say he didn't know much about the war... i'd figured it was because leizenburgh/resembool was never a part of it, but now that we know it was... seems kind of strange.
Yup... That attack on Resembool... quite suspicious... maybe a point that will be brought up back in the future (since it didn't do much in this chapter)... On the other hand, that Resembool was heavily affected by the Ishval war, we did know: Ed could pass his lost limbs as "eastern conflicts damage", and Winry (or Pinako? not remember well) said that they could live well thanks to the Ishval conflicts, with the people from Resembool and surroundings being affected by the war.
Yeah, i agree that the Resembool conflict will come back to play a part. Winry flashback, perhaps? Pinako? I still think that pinako rockbell will have a major part to play before this is over. She's a bit part character who has been oddly well developed.
-i don't particularly think izumi's from xing, but she COULD be. OR she could be well-traveled. OR her sensei could've been from xing (no dante in this one, remember?). OR she could've read up on rentanjutsu. OR we could just be stretching things and she doesn't know any rentanjutsu at all. anything goes at the moment, there's nothing wrong with speculation, right?
As I said before, I don't think it's either of those. Izumi clearly came up with the "One is All, All is One" all alone by herself, thanks to her own alchemical genius (same as Ed and Al, altho' they got the hint from her), as seen in her gaiden. Again, I believe that that line is to show that Xing's Rentanjutsu is "on the right path", that it is closer to True Knowledge than yer standard Amestrian alchemist, not to relate Izumi with Xing.
No, you can't look at it as a path. It's better to look at it as branching. There once was ougonjutsu everywhere, but it's been corrupted and shattered into different forms of alchemy. They're both just as close, but in different ways. rentanjutsu is like ougnajutsu fundamentally, renkinjutsu is like ougonjutsu practically. It's pointless to speculateon Izumi's nationality, the probability that it will be important is almost nil.
Wow, that was long, even though i cut out a lot of it.
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"and i also liked a lot how liza analyzed his reaction-- "he's weak to direct hits": so liza! might be good advice for winry... just go up to ed, tell him "ed, from now on you're my boyfriend" and he'll be so shocked he won't be able to form a coherent sentence in a week, giving people enough time to spread the news to such a point that he won't be able to get out of the relationship"
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Apr 21 2006, 08:52 PM
Could you tell us the source of that information?? 
oh well. better late than never.
my comments are mostly to see if you guys can help me if i got something wrong 
smiley-heavy post!
and the burns on her back might've been from when roy finally used the tattoo to learn of the fire alchemy... or maybe the design would just start burning when someone activated the fire array. it could've happened in many ways.
it was too funny, the sole mention of love makes the prodigious fullmetal alchemist become a blabbing fool! haha. damn, if only al had been there, he'd have blackmail material to last for years! 
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