Joined: 29-September 04
From: Portland, OR USA
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I don't understand how people can get so upset over how a storyteller chooses to tell their own story. The Roze attraction didn't come out of nowhere necesarrily (a word I can never spell). When Dante suggested it and Ed had a 'reaction' (and he definitely did have one) I think it was supposed to communicate that there had been a slight attraction for Ed. I did not see, anywhere at all, that Roze was interested in Ed however. And I agree with Flyingwind in that Dante was mainly just trying to mess with Ed's head and Ed did indeed know enough (or simply didn't respect Dante enough) to contradict what she said. I've noticed that Ed doesn't really tend to converse over trivial matters such as 'who likes who' when he's having a staring contest with someone he intends to kill.
And in defense of Roze, because I feel that the story was well told (despite some clarity issues surrounding the exact events at 5th Lab, motive problems on the part of the Homunculi, and pacing during the transition from 5th Lab story-arc to the Finale story-arc): She GETS to be a little brain-dead! She friggin' deserves it! Let's have a look at her life, shall we? Early childhood - we have no idea but her parents both die at some point. I don't remember why, plague I think. Teen years - She has a boyfriend whom she loves very much. He dies. She latches onto a faith which promises resurrection for much the same reasons people like Scar's bro and Tucker get that 'look' in their eyes. Desperation. Lo! And behold! Her major religion is disassembled in front of her and her faith is shaken to its core BUT NOT BEFORE meeting a SUPER creepy giant BIRD THING which dies calling out her name!! After Ed leaves - She recovers from losing not only her boyfriend, but any hope that she might see him again, with the help of Edward Elric's philosophy that you can find the will to live under any circumstances (I'm paraphrasing) and sadly, but eventually and with a new outlook, attempts to rebuild the tatters of her life. Well at least that would have been the case except that the damn priest shows up again and bam! She's right back clinging to an immortality/sun cult. Almost immediately: War. People dying, buildings crumbling. Children crushed or shot. Widows cry for their dead husbands. People she's known all her life, exterminated for what they believe in. At least, this is what it would have looked like in her eyes. While hiding in terror with some orphans she is found, captured, raped probably more than once, and possibly tortured as well. Whatever the circumstances while captive, they were so unspeakable that she entered a psychological state of shock robbing her of her voice. In real life this happens to people who are tortured. In real life this happens to military prisoners and in real life, rape as torture is used as a war tactic by organized militaries.
So she's a little bit dazed, yeah. She survives for awhile, meets Dante, sees more war and death...Ed shows up and nearly dies at te hands of some very creepy people...Roze then escapes with Dante and then sees more weird crap while hanging out with her. Ed shows up again and by this point that poor girl has had her share of real bad experiences in her life. I'm surpsrised she can dance at all, let alone smile or speak or even sit...for two consecutive minutes...without sobbing uncontrollably. Or, again common in real life, develop Disassociative Identity Disorder. (Hm, interesting...file that under "fanfiction").
Now if there's something about Roze that still just gets on your nerves - that's fine. Your opinion is, of course, valid. But you can't tell me she's not a tragic character or that she holds no purpose in the story.
Though a Roze/Ed pairing would indeed be weird. Especially since I almost gurantee that girl is nuts by now. But the chemistry between Ed and Winry was obvious. Al not so much. Al mentions at one point that he fears death because he wants to experience falling in love at least once. Ed never mentions anything like this. This is probably partially because he thinks of nothing but returning his brother to is original body - but ALSO because to think about girls he would first have to adress his attraction to Winry. And merely thinking about things like that solidifies them somewhat and he just can't be thinking about Winry because by god he has work and research to do and if she got involved then she'd just either get in the way or be in danger. At least that's what I figure his train of thought would be like.
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QUOTE(Ghost @ Oct 7 2004, 11:00 AM)
I don't understand how people can get so upset over how a storyteller chooses to tell their own story...
Yeah! Go tell them, Ghost-san! I kind of think that a lot of FMA fans are just a little too hateful of characters. (Poor Wrath...)
Yay! Another Ed/Winry supporter! (Or is it? I don't want to mislabel someone by carelessness..)
I originally thought that Roze was only a very minor character used for introducing the main characters at the start of the story who's life gets changed and never appears again, so I was pretty impressed to see FMA break that cliche and actually worked Lior into the whole storyline multiple times. So, I have to agree that people should really stop picking on Roze. It's already more than admirable enough that she was actually trying to keep on living her life instead of moping like a lifeless doll!
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Joined: 12-September 04
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Something just dawned on me...
Something cool but probably won't happen.
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RosexMason. He's pretty good with that baby you know. Plus, he's actually tall enough for Rose.
Anyway... Since I was pretty big on EdxLyra we'll say Ed meets Lyra's equal on the other side and they get it on. Meanwhile... Dante goes through the gate into our world to escape Gluttony. Since she's only in Lyra's body and not really Lyra's equal, she goes through the gate just like Hohenheim.
Then one day, Ed wants to make babies with Lyra look-a-like babe. Only Dante found her and is holding her somewhere while she tries to get in on the Elric gene pool... and Dante had to change her brand of perfume because they don't make Eau de Hohenheim here... and thats how herpes got started.
Joined: 23-August 04
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The character of rose is quite interesting... it's just the HAIR that gets on my nerves alot... when I read the manga, I thought her hair was something like Hikaru's... But I still can't see Ed/Rose happening...
We live and then we die. This in inevitable. What you do when you live is up to you.
The Rose/Dante/Ed incident is glaringly obvious to me. Consider:
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* Dante has had many, many men. * Dante is obsessed with Hohenheim. * Ed is Hohenheim's son. * Being with Ed is like being with Hohenheim. Note that she doesn't say she wanted to use Rose's body and be with Ed... she wants to be with "Hohenheim's son". * Dante's intent was to make Ed fall in love with her, in Rose's body. * Quite often in the series, people know things, and other people don't; it's very well organized. Similarly, all of this stuff is Dante's particular plans, thoughts on how to acheive them, etc. Consider Lyla... it'd be harder to make Ed fall in love with her, since they didn't quite meet on good terms. * Rose may indeed have had a crush on Ed... probably does. Dante would know this. * Dante thinks Rose has a hot body. * Lyla sort of seemed to act odd at Dante's house, while Dante was in her predecessor body. * Rose is indeed acting strange in these episodes... undeniably strange. She keeps being attracted to her baby, for example, but willfully gives it up, and shows little concern about handing the baby over to Dante. * Rose's strange behaviors have occasional "out" modes; e.g., when the baby cries. * Rose shows little concern about giving up her body to Dante.
Conclusion? Rose is in a trance. Dante wanted Ed to fall in love with her. That's why she wanted Rose's body (this was explicitely mentioned, btw). Other than this lofty plan and Dante's character, there's nothing to infer.