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FullMetal Shrimp
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I felt happy and sad, mostly because it had to end and also I felt like there was just something missing. I also hope they make another movie or more to the series but it's not likely to happen, and that is a whole new topic itself.


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The Regal Tigress, while I agree with what you said about the story being good. That, yes the world is imperfect and that yes I did love the way things worked out for the brothers. The writer in me wasn't all that thrilled at what happened. Like you in the past few days I was digesting the story as a fan first then as a writer (My BA in Fiction writing et all). The thing for me wasn't the fact that the movie ended the way it did, while I was (as a fan) disatified by it, I was glad that the Elric's were back together. It was the fact of what Ed implied at the end and, what I feel are gaping plot holes as well as several weak story arcs, and a villian that left much to be desired, as well as missed opertunities that leave a taste in my mouth.

Yes, over all I think the animation was very good. The color varitations between our world and the Hagane/Shamballa world were perfect in illistrating the differences between our world (muted browns of various shades. You'll even note that Ed's and Al's hair color until the very end were darker blonde and brown respectively.) and their world (Bright vibrant colors, not very many muted tones save for the shadows and such). Along with the way the cities were drawn, (at least they did their reseach this time rather then in the show. I still don't get why they used so many zeplins, when it was only one wooden plane that was shot down.), and how they potrayed the Romas in the stoy, that I felt pleased with.

What I ulitmately disliked as a writer though was what I felt was a cop out ending. Now I'm sure other people will tell me that I'm basically wrong here, that it wasn't, and that there was little that could be done to end it another way. But from what I saw there were several other ways to end it that still packed an emotional punch. Best example, rather then just having Ed and Al leave via plane, have them leave the plane behind and go though the gate another way. This way you can show that maybe Their world will be catching up technologically to ours. I can easily compare the ending of Escaflowne to FMA, as both hero's have to leave a world that they've become used to. Hitome went back to her world possibly forever, Ed and Al leave their world for good -or so it seems. The difference is that with Esca there's a sense of hope. Maybe she won't go back but it's clear that there's still something connecting her to that world in some way. End and Al are given this "And they ride off to find the bomb" ending that just seemed...wrong. It's almost feels for me that they're sherking off responsiblity in their world. Also the gate gets to me too, but I'll get to that when I talk about the plot holes

This brings me to the line that Ed says at the end. Why this is irritating me as a writer comes from the fact that he feels he's got responibilty here. Alright, I can understand wanting to clear things up with Noa, the other Al, and Hughs, but outside of that and the bomb, it's not his responsiblity. The implications also are that the people here used the bomb, or someone saw it and created the Atomic bomb. That in itself makes me kind of ill. It's as if to say that we can't take responsiblity for our own mistakes. Again, comparing it to the ending of Escaflowne, Hitomi never once indicated that the world of Gaea was her responsiblity since she was taken there. In fact the light took her back. Yes I understand Ed's choice, but just what he said at the end leaves a bad taste in my mouth. All the sacrofices that other's made to help him and Al wind up being chucked aside. Yes Al get's his memories back, but there were various other ways that this could have been done.

Ending aside, the plot holes drove me some what batty. To begin with how did Ed meet the other Al? Not even a flash back to touch on that. While I liked Alphonse H, I wasn't as moved as I should have been when he died. Huge missed oppertunity -and I blame the series for this in making Envy a dragon at the end -in exploring Hoho's relationships with his creation. Here you have a good area, now that Ed knows Envy was a) his father's doing and cool.gif technically his brother, one would think he would care what happens to him. We have no idea if Envy was given a fair send off ala Wrath. Also as I remember, it was said several times that the stones had to be used up for them to die. Homunculi are not human, or so we are constantly reminded, so how can they be sacraficed to open the gate? For that matter, did either, Wrath, Gluttony, or Envy use up their stones? And then there's the gate itself. Never mind the fact someone said more then once it's a permente gate, but if the characters were being sent back and forth via a different way, then why did they need the huge gate in the first place? Then their's Roy's sudden depression which is very OOC for him as in the end he seemed happier. And I won't touch on Armstrong and Rose. I agree with The Regal Tigeress the whole trip back in time was a "What were they thinking" moment.

As I said above with Envy and Ed, you had room for a excellent villian here with him. Exploration as to the fact that in that world (our world) Envy would have been pretty much as human and on the same level as Ed. Their relationship could have been explored more, and it would have had a deeper feeling if any exploration or character growth -outside of Ed -could have been shown. But we really didn't get that and FMA to me always seemed to pride itself on growth of characters. By cutting out a lot of the unneeded stuff (a lot of those scenes with the Thule society bored me) and making Envy human or close to it, it could have easily explored the idea of "What really makes us human" as the villian was spewing the fact that she was scared of Ed becuase he was different. Wasn't that what was being said of the Homuculi before?

As for the Villian...she annoyed me. NO personality at all, it took me a while to realize she was the main antagonist. Her actions were just...meh. And her motivations seemed like they were tacked on at the end. It would have been far more interesting if they had used a real person, or at least given her something more then just "I wanted to take over your world." It seemed way out of left feild to me from where the story was going. Why would Hitler even want to go useing Shamballa? It seemed out of place.

For me it left me...sad, yet happy. Mostly I enjoyed the movie. But there are just factors in it that I think could have been made a lot clearer or better and the storywould have become far more interesting. But those are just my two cents.
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- FullMetal Shrimp   Your Opinions And Emotions After Watching The Cos Movie?   Feb 4 2006, 08:03 PM
- - SinLuxuria   Those who have seen the movie, rate it! Here,...   Feb 5 2006, 06:44 AM
- - armor-alchemist   I felt glad the way it ended, even if it wasn...   Feb 17 2006, 08:22 PM
- - Summoner Colette   Sadness Because Izumi died Disappointment, becaus...   Feb 18 2006, 10:38 AM
- - Winkle   I don't think it takes a genius to figure out ...   Feb 18 2006, 04:31 PM
- - Iloveu2Al   MY EMOTIONS WERE AND I WAS EXPECTING SOOOOO M...   Feb 18 2006, 06:02 PM
- - popogeejo   I never had high expectaions but I was plesently s...   Feb 20 2006, 01:12 PM
- - Hana no Kuroi   Oy...The movie was unexpected...To be clear, it wa...   Feb 22 2006, 09:24 AM
|- - Jedi28   QUOTE(Hana no Kuroi @ Feb 22 2006, 10:09 ...   Feb 22 2006, 02:38 PM
|- - Winkle   QUOTE(Jedi28 @ Feb 22 2006, 04:23 PM) 353...   Feb 22 2006, 05:14 PM
- - Mikage_Elric   I was really sad when Heiderich got killed. i was ...   Feb 22 2006, 04:48 PM
|- - HagaRen016   QUOTE(Mikage_Elric @ Feb 22 2006, 04:48 P...   Oct 14 2006, 10:59 PM
- - Jedi28   Yeah, because then you could have made up your own...   Feb 22 2006, 05:33 PM
- - Hana no Kuroi   XD That'd be interesting...But yeah, anyone kn...   Feb 22 2006, 06:38 PM
- - Jedi28   Nope, only the limited release version (or special...   Feb 22 2006, 07:31 PM
- - The Great Asparagus   i cried from both happiness and sadness. well i wa...   Mar 4 2006, 09:31 PM
|- - sachiko hyuuchi   QUOTE(The Great Asparagus @ Mar 5 2006, 12...   Jul 31 2006, 05:00 AM
|- - Culinary_Alchemist   OMG when Ed and Al were almost separated i was cry...   Aug 9 2006, 06:00 PM
|- - Mariel Dragon   I am very sad because Ed and Winry will never see ...   Jun 5 2007, 04:33 PM
- - MasterKris   I just cried out in emotion. I didn't really f...   Mar 4 2006, 09:38 PM
- - Francesca   I was happy because Ed and Al were together again ...   Mar 8 2006, 12:08 PM
- - Mr.Falman   First of all I was sad. The movie was not as good ...   Mar 10 2006, 01:31 PM
- - SuperElricBros   Oh hellz no... After watching the 50th ep last ni...   Mar 12 2006, 04:23 PM
- - Jedi28   What I didn't get was supposedly they're g...   Mar 12 2006, 06:17 PM
|- - FullMetal Shrimp   Hmmm... Actually, the thing I really think it was,...   Mar 19 2006, 07:33 PM
- - VnzlaKnight   I like The movie but the ending is bad, but of you...   Apr 5 2006, 07:42 AM
- - Chiyo-chan   i felt like i was unsettled, cuz it ended too sadl...   Apr 15 2006, 04:45 PM
- - Jelly_Belly   Ok...*reads title of thread* Well, personally, I h...   Apr 18 2006, 12:12 AM
- - Keoni   Well, I was like Jeeeej Movie! And as watche...   Apr 18 2006, 12:37 AM
- - Reika   I felt more disappointed than expected, decieved i...   Apr 18 2006, 02:49 AM
- - Bahamut Zero   i definitely didn't like the OAV at all. it wa...   Apr 18 2006, 03:23 AM
- - Jelly_Belly   Aaah! Evas so sad ... and Shinjis screaming vo...   Apr 18 2006, 03:42 AM
|- - I am the Only sister Elric   i was happy but sad because Hidrich died. I cried ...   Apr 19 2006, 05:19 PM
- - Reika   QUOTEWhat happens in the live action OVA? Appear...   Apr 20 2006, 01:27 AM
|- - I am the Only sister Elric   OVA? Did i miss something? Where is this "l...   Apr 20 2006, 09:29 AM
|- - Tombow   QUOTE(Reika @ Apr 20 2006, 03:12 AM) 3837...   Apr 22 2006, 01:11 AM
- - Reika   you can find it on youtube. There are 4, ant the 4...   Apr 22 2006, 12:50 AM
- - Reika   @Tombow: hahah thanks for the explanation XD (anyw...   Apr 23 2006, 01:42 AM
- - Keoni   @ Reika: OMG that sounds really really really bad...   Apr 23 2006, 10:29 AM
- - Toby-Chan   Ahem; "Waaaaaaaah! Lyke, ever'one d...   Apr 23 2006, 07:33 PM
- - The Great Asparagus   you know, just on a sorta random note about the mo...   Apr 29 2006, 07:44 PM
- - InsaneFangirl   Too many people died, Ed changed SOOO much, the wh...   May 4 2006, 01:34 PM
- - Kel   I liked the movie, but was unhappy with the way it...   May 13 2006, 01:00 PM
- - MeLRizA   happy for the brothers as they end up together aft...   May 13 2006, 01:12 PM
- - yoko0217   I was sad when Izumi died...   May 26 2006, 06:37 PM
- - paca   The problem showed in the begining of the anime .....   May 28 2006, 03:32 PM
- - Sashima   I'm just glad that they didn't go for the ...   Jun 18 2006, 06:18 PM
- - The Regal Tigress   *spoilers* Thoughts from a filmmaker... (my degre...   Jun 24 2006, 06:58 AM
|- - shanyetta23   QUOTE(The Regal Tigress @ Jun 24 2006, 06...   Sep 8 2006, 09:41 AM
- - pickledevil   ^Yes, that's really true... that's just th...   Jul 10 2006, 12:55 AM
- - nihilist   The movie was good up until the ending. I mean it...   Aug 13 2006, 01:50 AM
- - Kynikos   I clicked "Happy yet sad because it wasn...   Aug 25 2006, 09:29 AM
- - gryphenix   Ok, let me reiterate this. This series was never ...   Aug 26 2006, 09:49 AM
- - aviazn   So what do you guys think of the movie after seein...   Aug 26 2006, 01:50 PM
- - r315razor   I loved the movie completly. What made it more sat...   Aug 26 2006, 10:48 PM
|- - nihilist   The ending wouldve been acceptable if they made up...   Aug 27 2006, 05:11 PM
- - Minna   I was sad. Really really das. I cried when the cre...   Aug 29 2006, 05:37 AM
- - Kivrin   The movie was great, but I was a little disappoint...   Aug 31 2006, 10:03 PM
- - Untitled   I liked it but it lacked.. It was too darn short ...   Sep 17 2006, 12:32 AM
- - InsaneFangirl   I was quite satisfied with the dub. ^^ The first f...   Sep 17 2006, 12:04 PM
- - Durren the Ice Alchemist   i'm angry at 2 things 1. no alternate mustang ...   Sep 26 2006, 02:04 PM
- - Ana~Banana~bel   I liked the movie alot, but like most of you, i fe...   Sep 26 2006, 05:00 PM
- - Nicoli Flamel   @Ana~Banana~bel: I happen to agree with you on the...   Sep 27 2006, 09:03 AM
|- - Ana~Banana~bel   QUOTE(Nicoli Flamel @ Sep 27 2006, 12:03 ...   Sep 27 2006, 09:24 AM
- - Nicoli Flamel   I really hope they make another movie or series. I...   Sep 27 2006, 04:23 PM
|- - Darkjad   I had mixed feelings about the end of the anime, a...   Oct 14 2006, 11:52 PM
- - hisokaomi   And no alternate Ed... damn, why am I seeing 2 Al?...   Sep 29 2006, 12:56 AM
- - Nicoli Flamel   Simple, Alphonse H, was the Al of our world. The E...   Sep 29 2006, 05:45 PM
- - Truth behind all Truths   Alright I'm new to this, but the introduction ...   Oct 12 2006, 11:50 PM
- - DantElric   Somewhat happy, because Al managed to follow Ed. S...   Oct 17 2006, 04:31 AM
- - Matt C   well I like the FMA Movie cuz it made me think alo...   Oct 24 2006, 08:11 PM
- - Amol   I felt glad the way it ended, even if it wasn...   Oct 25 2006, 12:47 AM
- - Francesco Carter   I felt happy somewhat, but i didn't want it to...   Nov 11 2006, 01:24 PM
- - ~Wolven Alchemist~   I felt both happy and sad, and so I cried. Partly ...   Nov 13 2006, 06:59 AM
- - Mudkipblader   I felt kinda wierd after seeing the ending. When I...   Dec 21 2006, 06:09 AM
- - baKa-neKoh   After the last episode of FMA, I though "hey ...   Feb 16 2007, 11:06 PM
- - Arthur-F.Metal4life   man i was happy and sad cause it had to end like t...   Feb 18 2007, 03:57 AM
- - ArmouredSoul   I wasn't particularly happy on WHERE it endend...   Mar 17 2007, 12:28 PM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE(ArmouredSoul @ Mar 17 2007, 11:28 A...   Mar 18 2007, 04:47 AM
- - Alchemical   I was happy that they reunited, but I was very mad...   Mar 17 2007, 12:51 PM
- - Ting   I was kinda sad... id say diappointed... TT.TT no ...   Mar 18 2007, 05:38 AM
- - Chiisana   I was sad, because then it means that FMA animatio...   Mar 18 2007, 05:47 AM
- - Ratzenheich FMA Super fan   Very sad because it's so hard to say goodbye t...   Mar 18 2007, 09:53 AM
- - Super Casual   If they destroyed the gate on their side wouldn...   Mar 29 2007, 08:52 AM
- - LastExile   It's annoying the way the ended it because the...   Mar 29 2007, 01:36 PM
- - Little Washu   Great Movie! Stupid ending. Couldn't they ...   Mar 29 2007, 01:46 PM
- - Super Casual   I regret watching the movie. It messed up my life ...   Mar 29 2007, 02:03 PM
- - Nekokitty   I liked the movie and I didn't mind the ending...   Mar 29 2007, 02:28 PM
- - Fushigi Rockna   Eh. I wasn't as disappointed as I would've...   Mar 29 2007, 02:44 PM
- - SwiftFeather   It made me cry out of both happiness and sadness. ...   Jun 12 2007, 07:10 PM
- - Plasmajosh   SOME MILD SPOILERS WITHIN I've just finishe...   Jul 28 2007, 11:37 PM
- - MrsAlphonseElric   I was sad, but I was happy I was happy because t...   Aug 2 2007, 07:28 AM
- - piggy   the movie and the anime itself was great especiall...   Aug 15 2007, 08:05 PM
- - adriel   I felt good for the bros but it was sad, and I tho...   Aug 18 2007, 10:15 AM
- - Winter Phantom   I was happy for Ed and Al but sad since they left ...   Aug 18 2007, 10:19 AM
- - saponin   im happy for ed & al getting together again, b...   Aug 19 2007, 02:25 AM
- - Causmicfire   I'd have to say I'm not happy at all with ...   Aug 21 2007, 06:45 PM
- - Chibi_Girl29   Happy yet sad because it wasn't a happy ending...   Aug 25 2007, 02:57 AM
- - Caribe   QUOTE(Chibi_Girl29 @ Aug 25 2007, 02:57 A...   Sep 7 2007, 05:45 PM
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