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FMA Philosophy, Frankenstein = FMA?
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post Mar 21 2005, 07:16 AM
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Quistis: Alcehmy isn't today science, but it was where our science came from.

The Golem is a man-made being made from an special clay & brought to life. It follows its master's command, but goes too far sometimes.
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post Mar 21 2005, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 21 2005, 07:16 AM)
Quistis: Alcehmy isn't today science, but it was where our science came from.

Yes, I am aware of that, but alchemy is still different from modern science.

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The Golem is a man-made being made from an special clay & brought to life. It follows its master's command, but goes too far sometimes.

If that is the definition you use for "golem", then please tell me how a golem is also a homunculus.

And you have still not explained what the following sentence means:
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Actually, during the term for "homunculus" meant "little person."


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post Mar 23 2005, 07:20 PM
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http://www.literature.org/authors/shelley-mary/frankenstein/
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Quistis: For one thing, Alchemy is related to today's science. As the Golem was an Homoculus itself. Plus, I did remember Frankenstien used a bit of alchemy in his work to revive the dead.

The fact Frankstien is an atricially created being with various corpse pieces as the foundation of it's being should count him as one, regardless of what was repsonsible for his birth.
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I agree w/ some other people. Alchemy is not so close to today's science, although the mixing of chemicals is quite close If you must connected it to today, connect it to phycological or human emotional and such change. I have read a few sections on alchemy, and a lot of times, it's connected to the trickster and other figures in each of us and in fiction. here is a quote:

"The Trickster is an Alchemist, The part of you that transforms. We live in a dual reality - opposite polarities - yin /yang - male/female - good/ evil - God/Devil or Trickster.

Our reality is created by electromagnetic energy fields - the poles (North and South) - positive and negative energy.

This is much like a game. In order to win the game you must create balance. You can beat the trickster if you ignore that which he brings as challenges.

The Trickster is not just one soul acting alone. He is part of each of each of us as we are all created from by source. He is our polar opposite - the god and the trickster - who exists in each of us and shows itself from time to time. We see it in the little devious/devilish things we do. He is the child in many of us - the sometimes self centerd aspect that wants immediate gratification at any cost..."
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post Apr 7 2005, 09:43 PM
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If you think about it alchemy will become the science of the future. When we advance to the point were we can use Nano technology we will be able to creat anything just by combining the atoms that comprise an object. Small nano bots will be able to build anything from there simplest componets.
This, at least to me seems more like alchemy than modern day science, or anything previosely attempted by man.
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WHA....?????
u all r confusing me. Alchemy is a medieval form of science aming cheifly at finding a universal solevent and an elixer of life. to put it bluntly, magic or magic appeal.
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Chemistry IS science . . .


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For those of you who are familiar with alchemy outside of fma, you would be surprised if you read the original Frankenstein. Apparently, the material Victor studies in order to learn how to create life from death was old medeveil alchemy. they even mention some similar terms such as homoculi, chimera and such.

its really quite interesting to see how alchemy has had such an influence in early science.


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Nice point! The monster in the book is a homunculi of sorts. Frankenstein is one of my all time favorite books. So much pain and angst expressed in such a beautiful way.

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Great book indeed,better then the movie X)


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i have not seen the movie but i read some of the book thought i must have mist the alchemy parts but it sounds intreging.
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When I read the novel, I'm pretty sure that Mery Shelly specifically did not mention the methodology of creating life. I remember being intrigued by Dr. Frankenstein's plight and being utterly dissatisfied when he would not mention how he created his homunculus.

As for the the theme of the novel: I too found it a very romantic piece. Religious themes anyone?

I'd like to tie a relationship between the homunculi in FMA and Frankenstein's monster, as well as a human beings. It seems to me that in FMA, Frankenstein, and life, the creations have all rebelled against their creators. It's less vivid in life (though references to the flood are indeed mention-worthy) than it's specific portrayals in FMA and Frankenstein. Anyone have an idea why? I think it lies in curiosity.

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Merged with "FMA and Frankenstein" thread.


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