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Ed And Noah In The Movie
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post Oct 16 2007, 10:37 AM
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Honestly? I didn't see it happening between Ed and Noah. If you noticed all the times Ed had around Noah, he never blushed like he always did with Winry. I think Edward was more intrigued by Noah's clairvoyance than anything, especially what she saw that was beyond precious to him and that was his brother and his home. I saw them as being very good friends, but then when Noah betrayed him for her own selfish reasons, he grew fairly bitter towards her. If he really had a thing going with Noah, when Alfons put him in that rocket and he saw Noah as he was descending up...I think if he really wanted to be with her, he would have found a way to stop that rocket and take her with him if he truly could. However, all he did was apologize and accelerate it. He blushed hardcore when Winry hugged him when they were reunited, but he never did that around Noah. That should say something else as well. Also, the whole scene where Noah went to read his mind, Edward was asleep. He wasn't coherent and had no idea what Noah had done and so you can't classify that as anything except Noah's betrayal. She was selfish and wanted it all and used poor Edward to try and get what she wanted. Besides that, at the end of the movie the brothers and Noah went their seperate ways. It just wasn't happening.


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post Oct 20 2007, 04:05 PM
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What if they liked each other and had something they never told in the movie? So what? How would that change our world? Remember that none of them really exist.
However, I still doesn't like Noah. She's just annoying and for me she seems to be just a random girl who read Ed's mind and helped the bad guys. I mean, Ed would have got home without her, right? As you've already said, she needed Ed for protecting herself. I like Edward because he doesn't fuss around because of girls. Usually he knows what he wants and what he needs to get it. And he might have something with Winry, but still left her and chose Al. I guess that's everything we need to know about Ed's relationships. ^^

Edit: Okay, he didn't CHOOSE Al because Al was hiding in that armor... But still, they always wanted to be together and Ed would have left Winry anyway.


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post Oct 30 2007, 09:36 AM
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Why do you think Ed would have left Winry? If the Thule Society wouldn't have went through the portal and started brutally attacking Amestris, I fail to see how Edward would have had any reason to go back to our world. I think if that if he would have been able to stay, he would have stayed with Winry, Al, Pinako and the others. Judging by reactions to Winry through the anime and movie, Edward wouldn't have just up and left her, no matter what happened. I think why he left, it was just a moment of panic and worry because his home was being destroyed and he was desperate to break down the gate on the other side so nobody could hurt the people he loved.


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post Oct 30 2007, 06:34 PM
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...I have to agree with what most people are saying here recently *only read about the last seven posts* laugh.gif When I finally was able to rewatch the movie (yes it did impact me that much...Poor Winry! sad.gif ), I really saw nothing but friendship between Ed and Noah.

Yes, he saved her from a bunch of bad guys. But hello , this is Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian we're talking about here. You know, the guy that's always so down about life yet still tries his best to save other people- especially girls? Since when has he let someone get dragged away to some eminent doom right before his eyes?

Yes, he was all nice to her and stuff- and held her hand as he told Alter!Hughes to leave them alone. Once again, Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian. rolleyes.gif Always angry over every little injustice that he sees in the world and trying to right it. Why, I bet if he was around before the American Civil War, he probably would have been the one tryin' to- okay, off topic. tongue.gif

Yes, Noa and him were pretty 'close' when she delved into his mind at that time he was asleep. Key words: HE WAS ASLEEP. How was he supposed to know that some lady was layin' all over him trying to get some alchemic-formula goodness outta his head? (Plus, I once read this plausible fanfic that said that Noa could've drugged the whiskey that she had served him- once again, it wasn't EdxNoa basshing, it was plausibleness.)

Yes, he was stricken when Noa was all like, "Take me with you!", even after he learned that she had betrayed him. Do I have to repeat myself though? Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian just can't stop sympathizing with people in a situation even remotely similar to his- like not being in a place where they felt like they belonged. sleep.gif

Tell me if I'm wrong, but...if he really did like Noah, wouldn't he have reacted somewhat...differently when he found out that she had betrayed him? huh.gif I mean, he was pretty cold when he found out. If he had liked her, wouldn't he have been somewhat more...stricken? You know, something like, "Why did you do this?! I trusted you!" (For reference, think back on all those dramatic movies that you have watched before in which the girl betrays the guy.)

Also, does Noa even like Edward? Sure, she must be thankful to him and all for saving her, but I didn't see any love!vibes from her either- at least not to Edward. To me, she seemed to be just plain friendly, and the 'interest' she had for Ed seemed only to be for the place he was from. Also, i think it would've been much more difficult for her to betray Edward like that if she really did like him.

As for the Ed leaving Winry part...I really don't think he would have left her. Judging by the fact that she did have some appearance in his dreams and that he blushed so sweetly when she hugged him...I don't think that he would have left her if he had the choice. But...

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I think why he left, it was just a moment of panic and worry because his home was being destroyed and he was desperate to break down the gate on the other side so nobody could hurt the people he loved.


There are many people on the internet saying that he should've been smart and just destoryed the Gate on his side, cuz how can you go somewhere if one door is closed forever? And frankly, I agree with them. wink.gif
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post Oct 31 2007, 08:59 AM
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Daaaang, that's messed! (And I guess if Ed was slow enough not to flip out completely just seeing secretary Sloth, then he's probably nearsighted or detail-dumb enough not to recognize her face under blonde hair.)

Does that mean she might be Alfons Heiderich's long lost mutti?


Haha, that made my day laugh.gif Almost as much as Edward Elric the Cynic Humanitarian (I agree with everything Elrickeyblade said there)

I just wanted to add that would it come to life, a relationship with Noa would only bring Ed a lot of grief. I'm one of the people who find Noa alright (I actually grew interested in Gypsy music because of CoS), but as it was previously mentioned, her priority right now is surviving the Holocaust, and Ed would have enough problems with the political police in his quest to retrieve the U-bomb even without a Gypsy girlfriend to protect. One with psychic powers on top of that. Though you have to admit that the emotional, historical as well as possibly occult complications Noa would cause in poor Edo's life are most tempting for the fanfic-writing fangirls biggrin.gif Whenever he annoys me, I like to imagine Ed sitting half-drunk and depressed in a pub/tavern/bar, singing Leonard Cohen's "Where is my Gypsy wife tonight?" laugh.gif


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post Nov 12 2007, 11:56 PM
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I don't hate Noah, see no reason to hate her, and I concede Ed/Noah is/was a canon relationship. Noah is the first girl Ed had ever once been actively interested in and he displayed such interest outright. (Holding hands, spending time being alone with). It's true he and Al left her at the end though, so he obviously wasn't in love with her. But he was definitely interested in her. And while some fans want to dismiss that interest as him being desperate for a connection to Al, I do believe he was fascinated with her as a person.


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post Nov 13 2007, 01:34 AM
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I hate to say it, but how can you concede that it was ever a canon relationship? Sure he grabbed her hand, but only because he was curious what she'd see next. He never once displayed any romantic interest in her and when she betrayed him for her own selfish reasons, he grew positively cold towards her. Edward was fascinated by her amazing ability to see into a person's heart just by touch, not because of him wanting to be with Al. However, put into consideration. he didn't blush around her and get stupid like he always did with Winry (and he does the same with Winry in the manga). That's an obvious sign from Edward that he has true romantic interest in a woman, and never once did he portray those emotions towards Noah. Not to mention he left her at the end of the movie, so how was it ever a canon relationship? He made separate ways with her. It's never been concluded that there was ever romantic interest between Edward and Noah and I highly doubt that there was ever supposed to be.


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post Nov 14 2007, 05:07 PM
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I can concede that it was canon because it was canon.

Unlike Ed/Winry for instance. Throughout the series the only canon thing about that relationship was that Ed was not romantically interested in her, and that was always displayed in an outright and obvious manner.

Ed blushing is an obvious sign of him feeling highly uncomfortable and embarrassed in a situation. He's done it many times with other people in many situations. Ed is uncomfortable with being teased or shown affection. It's part of his character and always has been. It sure as heck doesn't mean he had romantic feelings for Winry, where on earth does that idea come from? I suppose you can project it that way if that's what you want to see, but that does go against canon (and to nip this in the bud, the old "he's just confused about his feelings" argument doesn't hold water, no means no means no). I find it amazing that one can say Ed is in love with a girl just because he blushes, of all things, but did not have any feelings for a girl he actually showed active interest in, canonly? I'm sorry, but putting that into consideration, it makes no sense to me. You say he was cold towards Noah so there's no way he could like her, and yet he was far colder towards Winry throughout the entire series right up to the last time he saw her, I could point out. I have no doubt in my mind the writers intended there to be some romantic feelings from Ed towards Noah in the movie. They actually had/wrote in scenes of them together just spending pointless alone time together and having very personal conversation. So, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers intended. But whatever, I'm not one to try to project pairings in everything, I just go with what the story says.

I'm happy the brothers ended up together again and everything is back to the way it should be, the girls they meet/know will come and go but Ed and Al always have each other. =)

As for the manga, well thus far (and speaking in canon, not fanon) there seems to be a very unrequited love from Winry to Ed. That might change or it might not, guess we have to wait and see.




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I hate to say it, but how can you concede that it was ever a canon relationship? Sure he grabbed her hand, but only because he was curious what she'd see next. He never once displayed any romantic interest in her and when she betrayed him for her own selfish reasons, he grew positively cold towards her. Edward was fascinated by her amazing ability to see into a person's heart just by touch, not because of him wanting to be with Al. However, put into consideration. he didn't blush around her and get stupid like he always did with Winry (and he does the same with Winry in the manga). That's an obvious sign from Edward that he has true romantic interest in a woman, and never once did he portray those emotions towards Noah. Not to mention he left her at the end of the movie, so how was it ever a canon relationship? He made separate ways with her. It's never been concluded that there was ever romantic interest between Edward and Noah and I highly doubt that there was ever supposed to be.



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QUOTE(_Rue(2) @ Nov 14 2007, 05:07 PM) *
So, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers intended. But whatever, I'm not one to try to project pairings in everything, I just go with what the story says.


Rue and Winry, I don't think the story tells us anything clearly. Personally I think there are as many Ed/Noah hints in the movie as there are Ed/Win hints in the manga, but this is not the point. The magic of these two pairings is that the romantic feelings are only discreetly suggested, so that the platonic relationships can serve their purpose in plot and character development, without bothering anyone. This is the mastery of Arakawa, and, respectively, CoS' screenwriter - they give us the outset, and then invite us to use our imagination. So take a break, nobody holds the universal truth, and as much as we b*tch about ambiguous endings, they're the ones that set the spark in the fandom.

Edit: Alright so I may be wrong.
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post Nov 18 2007, 12:51 AM
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As for the manga, well thus far (and speaking in canon, not fanon) there seems to be a very unrequited love from Winry to Ed. That might change or it might not, guess we have to wait and see.


Umm... huh.gif

Okay, I don't really see how Winry's felings are unrequited in the manga. To me Ed seems to be returning them just as much and is positively failing at keeping them hidden. I mean why else would she be used as a hostage against him? Why else would he try to stubbornly deny that he loves her? Why else would he be totally embarassed at even the mention of it?

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I'm sorry, but putting that into consideration, it makes no sense to me. You say he was cold towards Noah so there's no way he could like her, and yet he was far colder towards Winry throughout the entire series right up to the last time he saw her, I could point out.


It's true that Ed was cold towards Winry in the anime, but not as overboard as you're saying here. The reason why I brought up the "Noah-betrayal" scene in my previous post was because it really did contrast with how he would have treated Winry. Remember Episode 45? (Or was it 44? mellow.gif ) When he found out that she didn't tell him about Hughes? That reaction was different. He really did look stricken at what he thought was some sort of betrayal.

And I didn't say say that Ed didn't like Noah. I'm just saying that he only liked her as a friend. I seriously saw no love vibes from either her or Edward. All I saw was friendliness and Ed's anger towards her mistreatment because his cynic-humanitarianess can't stand witnessing other people get prejudiced.

I did try to look at EdWin from your point of view, _Rue2, and I think I can see where you're coming from. But to many people it is evident that EdWin is canon in the anime because of their history together and his random mentionings of her throughout some episodes and...many other stuff that I'm too tired to say right now. dry.gif Also, many of the official FMA art shows clear depictions of EdWin and Royai, in my opinion.

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I have no doubt in my mind the writers intended there to be some romantic feelings from Ed towards Noah in the movie. They actually had/wrote in scenes of them together just spending pointless alone time together and having very personal conversation. So, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers intended.


Personal conversations? The conversations didn't seem all that personal to me... Also, would the writers really wait a whole anime series to give Ed a love interest? And right before they end the whole FMA stuff all together? sleep.gif

I don't mean any offense in this post. I just find it hard to believe that Noah actually felt stuff for Ed and that Ed felt stuff for Noah. Like I said before, to me they just seemed like good friends. tongue.gif

On with the conversation, now! b^^d
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I have no doubt in my mind the writers intended there to be some romantic feelings from Ed towards Noah in the movie. They actually had/wrote in scenes of them together just spending pointless alone time together and having very personal conversation.

Please... do tell me what was so personal about the conversation. I must have missed it altogether. mellow.gif
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So, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers intended. But whatever, I'm not one to try to project pairings in everything, I just go with what the story says.

And what makes you so convinced that that's how the storyline should have headed? The story has never mentioned anything canon about EdNoah. Your arguements at the moment sound like they've twisted the movie to suit your fantasies. Unless I really did miss something there..


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Seriously, I don't think anybody wants to give Noah a chance, I think shes absolutely one of the best FMA characters out there.
And I absolutely love her and Ed together as a couple. (So sweet) <3 I don't care if I'm the only person on Earth who thinks that, I'll shout it from the roof tops if needed.


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Hmmm, your name seems to suggest otherwise.


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QUOTE(Celeste Nayamashii Posted Yesterday @ 06:08 PM)
Hmmm, your name seems to suggest otherwise.

Many think Noah is Rose's alter ego in the movie, so that's not surprising for EdxRose_fan to like it in the least. And even if she didn't seem like Rose's alter, what's the problem? It's not possible for people to like one character paired up with many others now?


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Oh lay off. I was just pointing out that her name seemed to suggest otherwise. I never once stated there was a problem and never once stated that people can't like one character paired up with many others. Good grief.


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