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Fma: Mockery Of The Us Government?
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post Sep 24 2004, 06:35 PM
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Bad theory....... Theres no way Japs made the government seem like the US. The US government is nothing new, and neither is invasion. They could of been modeling it after the Roman empire for all we care.

They made the government to fit the plot, not model the US Government. Bad theory.


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post Sep 24 2004, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(EditDeath @ Sep 24 2004, 09:58 PM)
Its definitely closer to Germany, but I gotta agree that the timing is pretty convenient. Besides, the way Bush is running things, the rest of the world can't exactly see the U.S. as much better. I swear, the way the U.N. was looking at Bush during his speech, if looks could kill, the election would be Kerry v. Cheney.

*shivers*

Yeah. Especially after the U.N. was exposed for the bogus, corrupt institution and organization that it is. Can you say OIL FOR FOOD?


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post Sep 25 2004, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(Style @ Sep 24 2004, 04:32 AM)
QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 24 2004, 04:22 AM)
Ishval had weapons of mass destruction! I have proof of it, and it's right...over...HERE!


[runs away]

well technically they did...scars brother

good one.
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post Sep 25 2004, 07:49 PM
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Another thing to back up the Amestris=Nazi Germany theory: Note the large amounts of people with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Also note how Roy's mass use of FIRE during the Ishbal Massacre is emphasized throughout the entire thing..... death by fire... Sound familiar?

And Fuhrer is German for "Supreme Leader". Hitler was Germany's only fuhrer, I do believe... I could be wrong on that one, though (Rolf, correct me if I am, assumin you're even reading this XP)


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post Sep 25 2004, 07:53 PM
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'Fuhrer' is a case of fansubbers taking creative license a bit far. There's no exact English definition for "daisouto", but it could just as easily mean 'president' or 'generalissimo'.

Also remember that Ishival's people weren't massacred because of ethnicity or race.


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post Sep 25 2004, 08:33 PM
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Concerning the Ishbal massacre, I actually made more of a connection with it and the Armenian Genocide from WWI rather than the Holocaust. Though you can argue that since the Jewish people are a religious group, they are more closely related to the Ishvarites.
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post Sep 25 2004, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 26 2004, 02:53 AM)
'Fuhrer' is a case of fansubbers taking creative license a bit far. There's no exact English definition for "daisouto", but it could just as easily mean 'president' or 'generalissimo'.

Also remember that Ishival's people weren't massacred because of ethnicity or race.

Nope it is not a case of fansubber taking creative license a bit far.

Episode 8, 21 minutes 15 seconds...

Check that lettering out!

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post Sep 25 2004, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 26 2004, 03:34 AM)
QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 26 2004, 02:53 AM)
'Fuhrer' is a case of fansubbers taking creative license a bit far. There's no exact English definition for "daisouto", but it could just as easily mean 'president' or 'generalissimo'.

Also remember that Ishival's people weren't massacred because of ethnicity or race.

Nope it is not a case of fansubber taking creative license a bit far.

Episode 8, 21 minutes 15 seconds...

Check that lettering out!

IPB Image

D'oh.

Ah, well. Can't win 'em all.


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post Sep 26 2004, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(Vael @ Sep 26 2004, 03:49 AM)
Another thing to back up the Amestris=Nazi Germany theory: Note the large amounts of people with blonde hair and blue eyes.

And Fuhrer is German for "Supreme Leader". Hitler was Germany's only fuhrer, I do believe... I could be wrong on that one, though (Rolf, correct me if I am, assumin you're even reading this XP)

hmm.. yes, in german it is "Führer".... but this is the translation of the ones who translated this anime.. it could also be "Leader" instead...

watch the anime Dragonball GT... how many in this anime got blond hair if they change into sayajiyn....

P.S.: Today in german military, the highest commander of something signs a letter not with "Führer" anymore(cause of HItler), but simply with "Leiter"(which is another german word for "leader")


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post Sep 26 2004, 12:55 PM
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You know, they make their English letters so random and obscure, in the anime... Read that entire letter... It makes NO SENSE. Also, when Roy gets that memo from Ed and you read it, it's positively RANDOM and mentions something about a museum in London, too...


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post Sep 26 2004, 01:03 PM
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I guess they just crammed in the bits that make no sense since I guess they don't think there viewers understand English?
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post Sep 26 2004, 02:16 PM
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Fuehrer comes from the word vuehrer which means "to lead" and Fuehrer basically means "leader." And yes, it was Adolf Hitler's "rank." German soldiers referred to him as "mein Fuehrer."

Fuhrer/Fuehrer and Fuhrer w/umlaut are all interchangable btw.

While the timing on Operation: Enduring Freedom and FMA's use of the Ishvar war are pretty convienent, I'd lean more towards the German theory, especially since he is called Fuehrer. =x
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post Sep 26 2004, 02:21 PM
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The umlaut is interchangable because recently a lot of German articles on the net, I've seen, use an "e" after the umlauted vowel, probably for easier typing or some random something... lalala...

Not to mention all the cruel testing on humans, in the anime. Anyone ever read up on the Nazi medical experiments? Some of them were really ..... odd. and probably served no other use other than to sate sadistic urges...

Edit: Oh, and I wonder if FUNimation's going to change the letters or keep them, for the American release. O.o


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post Sep 26 2004, 02:21 PM
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No one in this series is caucasian, they are all asian :-/ People just think they are caucasians because they're stupid...all anime series have asian stars. /swt


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post Sep 26 2004, 05:04 PM
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dry.gif Thats arrgant thinking they made this series with the purpose of mocking the US. Us in the rest of the world would like to point out we exist and everything does not revolve around you.

1. There are white people in the other parts of the world.
2. If Ishabal is more or less the middle east even allowing borders to change over 400 years they'd be bordering Europe or former USSR countries *shock* hey arnt there white people there?
3. The US has a very different system of government to the FMA country (cant remember its name >.<)
4. The war is closer to the crusades of the middle ages rather than Iraq today. Or one of the endless border fights that have happned all through Europe's history.

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The timing's a little convenient, though, wouldn't you say?

Because all those Japanese people can vote in the US election?
Remember the HUGE majority of Americans arnt watching this show. There is ALWAYS something on, if it wasnt that why not the endless war in Palastine? There's an election here in Australia in two weeks, maybe the show was made to infulence that *cough*
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