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Symbols & Symbolisms You See In FMA: Flamel, Ouroboros, And Whatnot, Designated thread for everyone to post what you find out on Wikipedia
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post Dec 22 2006, 12:51 PM
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@kitty chow - I think I missed something, 'cause your post did not make sense.


Nicholas Flamel was famous alchemist. He had a dream, and in the dream, an angel brought him a book. On that book was seven symbols, which later were put on his tomb.(Which people argue about rather it was real, or not). One of those symbols is now none as the 'Flamel'.

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/flam_h0.html
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post Jan 13 2007, 08:05 PM
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Although this symbol is called a 'flamel' because of its 'inventor', it is actually used a lot today. Though FMA's depiction of the symbol differs, this symbol is the all too common symbol used by hospitals and the red cross.
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post Jan 13 2007, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(GREEDisGOOD @ Jan 14 2007, 03:05 AM) [snapback]493944[/snapback]
Although this symbol is called a 'flamel' because of its 'inventor', it is actually used a lot today. Though FMA's depiction of the symbol differs, this symbol is the all too common symbol used by hospitals and the red cross.


You are mistaken. The one you are thinking of, Two serpents around the staff of Hermes, is a caduceus.


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post Jul 31 2007, 02:09 PM
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kinda... long story i guest... the serpent symbolized ''sin'' and the cross ''god''


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post Aug 13 2007, 10:06 PM
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wasn't there a story in the Bible somewhere Where Moses was leading the Isrialites through the dessert and they all got really sick? I think there was. Either Sick or were poisened by snakes. There was a golden snake among the rest, (large snake pit) Moses Nailed that particular snake to a small wooden cross (or rather two sticks tied together) and every one was cured.

Ironic really, The snakes representing sin. This event was ages before Christ was even born.

to be honest, that was what I first thought of When I looked at the symbol on Ed's Coat.


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post Nov 21 2007, 11:48 AM
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Gunslinger (btw is this a Stephen King refference?happy.gif), you aren't far from the truth, I read somewhere that the alchemical interpretation of the symbol originated in the biblical account of the life of Moses. The snake also appears in another part, when he transformed his staff into a serpent in front of Pharaoh. Moses is the Enlightened one, and the "transmutation of the serpent" is a symbol of turning the demonical aspect of the snake into the healing potential of the staff, through "deconstruction" followed by "reconstruction" (sounds familiar? laugh.gif) - which kind of ties our Flamel, the hypocratic staff and the snake representing sin biggrin.gif. I got this from a book on ezotheric symbols, I just want to (approximatively) quote one more line:

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The crucified serpent represents the reign of the astral light that gives life to the universe and permits the alchemist and mage to recreate life. The serpent is also drawn in such a manner so as to allude to the Hebrew letter Aleph, the symbol of the beginning of all things.


Oh and the caduceus (or cadeceus I don't know how it's spelled right) is a related symbol, whose two serpents can symbolize the two of the three main elements of alchemy (Sulphur/Soul and Mercury/Spirit). If we take the two serpents and the orb at the top of the staff, it can also be interpreted as the three stages of the alchemical process.

By the way, is there any topic dealic with alchemical refferences and symbols in FMA around here? I only found a closed thread...


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post Mar 29 2008, 09:02 AM
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A flamel eh? i always thought it was a caduceus... (the Hermatic staff) the staff of Heremes which later was the usual symbol for medicine these days because:
Hermes is kinda like the god of alchemy ( and messenger of the gods FYI) and the caduceus signifies the union between the male and the female shown by the two snakes but I was wondering why the Alchemists' symbol had only ONE snake so.... I may have been wrong all along! laugh.gif thanks for the info!


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post Aug 23 2008, 07:35 PM
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Well... the simbol in FMA is not precisely the cross of Flamel because, as you can see, there is a pair of wigns, and above those there is a crown...wel then, the crucified serepent represents the sacrifice of the flesh, the sins,our mortal bodies, the wings represents the soul, our desires to be good (things that are mostly supresed by the flesh), and the crown represents victory.
From there that the cross of flamel in FMA can be interpretated as the victory of the soul(the good) over the flesh (the evil).

Hope this helps!!! happy.gif
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post Sep 7 2008, 12:58 AM
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That interpretation is awesome, Sagara.
Was that from one of the guide books?
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post Sep 7 2008, 09:37 PM
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A few individuals have made reference in this thread to the fact that the image of the crucified serpent has its roots in the Bible. As reference, I thought that it might be useful to provide the text of the two specific passages where the figure is discussed. Note that the first quote is taken from the Old Testament, and the second from the New Testament.

“Wherefore the Lord sent among the people fiery serpents, which bit them and killed many of them. Upon which they came to Moses, and said: We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and thee: pray that he may take away these serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the Lord said to him: Make brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live. Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.”

- Numbers 21:6-9 (D-R)

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.”

- John 3:14-15 (D-R)


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post Dec 21 2008, 03:19 PM
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This is interesting, but you lost me at page one... "^_^
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QUOTE (BakaOnna @ Nov 13 2005, 02:10 AM) *
.....In addition, a lot of the symbols used in the series are real symbols used, like the snake and cross or the Ouroboros, which is the what I'm mainly focusing on.
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.....In Fullmetal Alchemist, several characters adopt the symbol of a snake fixed on a cross. That symbol can be taken as the opposite of the Ouroboros. The winged snake on the cross representing the fixation of the volatile. As the Oroborus represents the cycle of birth and death, the snake on the cross represents fixed continuing life.

.....while contrary, the snake and cross symbol representing continuing life. Plus the whole human transmutation thing forming the creation of the homunculus.

whoa! someones done thier research! lol ive done a little myself because i want izumis tattoo and didnt want to end up burning on the steak tongue.gif . the crucified snake represents that which is evil becoming purified and redeemed. the wings are a symbol of healing and uplifting. And the crown represents trimph and mastery.
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post Jun 11 2009, 05:47 AM
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~ Ed And Izumi's Cross: What are they? ~

so i definatley know this has been answerd before but i searched the forum and couldnt find it.
but im just curious of what the cross with snake means ive read about the ouroboros but cant find anything on the cross ? help me out pleasseeeee
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post Jun 15 2009, 02:39 PM
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In FMA, there is a symbol on the back of Ed's red coat and painted in red on 1 (or both, I forgot) of Al's armored shoulders. What exactly is that symbol? Is it symbol for the Elric family or what? I just want to get a firm understanding of everything in this awesome anime/manga/video-game/movie. tongue.gif


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nyah~ I knew the whole thing about the ouroborus just from general knowledge (I have an interst in mythology, religion, philosphy etc and theres loads of stuff about and like the ouroborous in lots of cultures) but i never knew about the snake on the cross at all and thats really interesting so thanks for the post!


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