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“...the New Lust” [spoilers] In Episode 34, A couple of questions
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post Nov 6 2005, 09:02 AM
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<Edited to add "in episode 34" to the thread title, and moving from FMA Character discussion forum to FMA Anime American Audience sub-forum where all episode specific character question threads are currently being collected. 02/23/07 ~Tombow>



In the newest episode of Fullmetal Alchemist, episode 34 Theory of Avarice, I found myself slightly confused. My question regards the part where greed and his followers fled the Devil’s Nest to an abandoned house. A conversation takes place that raises a question.

Lust: “How long did you think you could last? Well time’s up.”
Greed: “And who might you be?”
Lust: “From what I’ve been told, you’ve already met Gluttony. As for me, well can’t you tell? I’m the new Lust.”

If she’s the new Lust, obviously there was another Lust homunculus before her creation. Does this mean there was another Envy, Pride, Wrath, Gluttony, Greed and Sloth?

On a side note, I’m also curious about the ages of all of the Homunculi. Since Lust says “from what I’ve been told, you’ve already met Gluttony,” that clearly verifies that Greed and Gluttony are older. What about Lust and Pride, who is older? I’m not quite sure, but I think Envy once said he was the eldest. I know for a fact that Sloth is the youngest.

My guess from oldest to youngest:
Envy
Greed
Gluttony
Pride
Lust
Wrath
Sloth

Can someone please correct me if I have them in the wrong order?


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:55 AM
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Your age list is most likely correct; the only one we can't be too sure of is if Gluttony and Pride should be switched or not. However, it is most likely correct the way it is.

As for the "old Lust", not a clue, sorry.


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post Nov 6 2005, 10:14 AM
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Well, in the original version she refers to herself as "ima no rasuto" ("the current Lust"-ish), which implies that there was another Homunculus also known as Lust in the past. However, there aren't any more details about the "old Lust" for the rest of the series.

Envy is indeed the oldest. I'm pretty sure there was a thread in this section somewhere that dealt with the order of the Homunculus' ages...*too lazy to go digging for it*


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post Nov 6 2005, 10:26 AM
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Perhaps there was a old Lust and mabye Dante killed her b/c she was a failure or somethin? Also, there could have been a old Wrath and Sloth too...


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:00 PM
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alright i like how u put ur age for homonculus but what about bradley, where is he, and pride, idk ive been trying to find out about him, i have noticed in BBI if anyone has seen it that pride is eds body made into a homonculus from hohenheim but in the show [spoiler]on episode 51 i think, he is mentioned when dante says ill have to get pride to go gather more follish humans so hes there but he hasnt showed himself, so if anyone can help me or tell me more about pride id appreciate it[/spoiler]

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post Nov 6 2005, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(AwsomeMn89 @ Nov 6 2005, 11:00 PM) [snapback]310262[/snapback]
alright i like how u put ur age for homonculus but what about bradley, where is he, and pride, idk ive been trying to find out about him, i have noticed in BBI if anyone has seen it that pride is eds body made into a homonculus from hohenheim but in the show [spoiler]on episode 51 i think, he is mentioned when dante says ill have to get pride to go gather more follish humans so hes there but he hasnt showed himself, so if anyone can help me or tell me more about pride id appreciate it[/spoiler]

Pride hasn't been showed shown yet in the manga. BBI is not canon. And we would appreciate it if you used spoiler tags.


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:18 PM
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Wrath is younger than Sloth


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(Mahou_Alchemist @ Nov 6 2005, 10:18 PM) [snapback]310277[/snapback]

Wrath is younger than Sloth


No, he's not. Sloth is physically an adult, but was only brought to life six years preseries. Wrath is at least ten.


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:30 PM
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my bad this thing was spoiler so i figured that i coudl just talk freely, but ya MORE SPOILERS AHEAD





[spoiler]ok so i was looking and i found in episode 41 that king bradley is pride, it was weird to find out but ya and i had a question too,
lust was made by scars brother
envy was made by hohemheim
greed was made by dante
wrath was made by the teacher
sloth was made by ed and al
pride was made by hohenheim( i think)
gluttony was made by ...?hohenheim (i think) again

the reason i put hohenheim so many times is because dante mantions in episode 50 that " Envy was...the first homunculus Hohenheim created, back when he was younger." so that means hes atleast created 2 and maybe one more later in his life and envy mentions in episode 31 that with "the new lust" the 7 of us(homunculus) havce assembled for the first time in a long time so theres 7[/spoiler]

But that leads me to a new thing, who is this new lust, and as envy refers to us it must mean that its the same lust because they assembled once before, but idk if anyone could clue me in to this new lust or any info at all id b very grateful
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post Nov 6 2005, 09:36 PM
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[spoiler]lust was made by scars brother
envy was made by hohemheim
greed was made by dante
wrath was made by the teacher
sloth was made by ed and al
pride was made by hohenheim( i think)
gluttony was made by ...?hohenheim (i think) again[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
It's more sure that the rest we don't know who made them might be Dante... Pride is definately made by Dante, she mentions that Pride was 'her' masterpiece... a Homonculus that could age...
For Gluttony, I don't really think Hohenheim made him either... could be though...
And ur thoery about Hohenheim making the old sins, IT MIGHT BE TRUE!! blink.gif [/spoiler]

One more thing, please at least put spoiler tags...


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post Nov 6 2005, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(MasterKris @ Nov 6 2005, 10:36 PM) [snapback]310287[/snapback]

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[spoiler]lust was made by scars brother
envy was made by hohemheim
greed was made by dante
wrath was made by the teacher
sloth was made by ed and al
pride was made by hohenheim( i think)
gluttony was made by ...?hohenheim (i think) again[/spoiler]
[spoiler]
It's more sure that the rest we don't know who made them might be Dante... Pride is definately made by Dante, she mentions that Pride was 'her' masterpiece... a Homonculus that could age...
For Gluttony, I don't really think Hohenheim made him either... could be though...
And ur thoery about Hohenheim making the old sins, IT MIGHT BE TRUE!! blink.gif[/spoiler]

One more thing, please at least put spoiler tags...


[spoiler]i do remember saying that it was her mistake so i do get that and i dont tihnk gluttony was mentioned but if what u said was true about pride then gluttony had to have been made by hohenheim, cuz hes made more than one in one of my last quotes, then to support that the new lust mentions that greed had already met gluttony so he must b old whihc would fit in with hohenheim because he is like 800 years old i think[/spoiler]

and how do u made spoiler tags then cuz i dont get that


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QUOTE(AwsomeMn89 @ Nov 6 2005, 11:30 PM) [snapback]310285[/snapback]

my bad this thing was spoiler so i figured that i coudl just talk freely, but ya MORE SPOILERS AHEAD





[spoiler]ok so i was looking and i found in episode 41 that king bradley is pride, it was weird to find out but ya and i had a question too,
lust was made by scars brother
envy was made by hohemheim
greed was made by dante
wrath was made by the teacher
sloth was made by ed and al
pride was made by hohenheim( i think)
gluttony was made by ...?hohenheim (i think) again

the reason i put hohenheim so many times is because dante mantions in episode 50 that " Envy was...the first homunculus Hohenheim created, back when he was younger." so that means hes atleast created 2 and maybe one more later in his life and envy mentions in episode 31 that with "the new lust" the 7 of us(homunculus) havce assembled for the first time in a long time so theres 7[/spoiler]

But that leads me to a new thing, who is this new lust, and as envy refers to us it must mean that its the same lust because they assembled once before, but idk if anyone could clue me in to this new lust or any info at all id b very grateful
For your sake, I hope your thoughts aren't as nonsensical in your head as they are in print form. dry.gif

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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Nov 6 2005, 10:42 PM) [snapback]310292[/snapback]

QUOTE(AwsomeMn89 @ Nov 6 2005, 11:30 PM) [snapback]310285[/snapback]

my bad this thing was spoiler so i figured that i coudl just talk freely, but ya MORE SPOILERS AHEAD





[spoiler]ok so i was looking and i found in episode 41 that king bradley is pride, it was weird to find out but ya and i had a question too,
lust was made by scars brother
envy was made by hohemheim
greed was made by dante
wrath was made by the teacher
sloth was made by ed and al
pride was made by hohenheim( i think)
gluttony was made by ...?hohenheim (i think) again

the reason i put hohenheim so many times is because dante mantions in episode 50 that " Envy was...the first homunculus Hohenheim created, back when he was younger." so that means hes atleast created 2 and maybe one more later in his life and envy mentions in episode 31 that with "the new lust" the 7 of us(homunculus) havce assembled for the first time in a long time so theres 7[/spoiler]

But that leads me to a new thing, who is this new lust, and as envy refers to us it must mean that its the same lust because they assembled once before, but idk if anyone could clue me in to this new lust or any info at all id b very grateful
For your sake, I hope your thoughts aren't as nonsensical in your head as they are in print form. dry.gif


ya i understand its hard to write and i get it in my head but it makes full sense and i just dont think u understand more or less or what i say, no offense, i looked into this very throughly


i have one more thing to add about the new lust and all and no one told me how to make a spoiler box so idk waht to do still SO here i go, [spoiler]in episode 21 when greed gets out of his seal gluttony goes and sees its open and hes all liek not him lust and lust knows who he is and shes knows that 140 years ago he was sealed so how long ago was this old lust alive to have a new lust[/spoiler]

SPOILER TAGS = [~SPOILER~]Insert Spoilers Here.[/~SPOILER~] (remove '~'s)

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Well we can't be sure of how old Wrath is so there's no official answer yet.


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Well, in the anime, a homunculus is created when someone tries to reincarnate the dead, right? The person who "Pulls the strings" apparantly had seven Homunculi originally, and named each one after one of the seven deadly sins. When one was destroyed, they needed to find a replacement. In episode 31, Envy says, "At that means the seven of us have come together for the first time in a long time." I'm guessing that the Envy, Gluttony, and Greed we know of are the only original ones. Before or since Greed's imprisonment, the original Pride, Wrath, Sloth, and Wrath must have been killed off in the line of duty. The ones we know now are simply their replacements.


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