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I hate this pairing. It makes me want to throw up. I looked up ed x roy on photobucket one time. And I almost threw up. because it's gross. How do people find the pairing attractive..???? Roy is like twice as big as ed, which makes it gross =/ yet it's the most popular pairing of fma!!
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Yaoi is okay but the pairings I like are not the usual ones. I prefer Hughes/Ed (I know, it is crossing the line) and Havoc/Ed. yet, Roy/Ed is unacceptable. First of all, as some of you have said, there is no romantic context in any of the animes, OVAs, games, manga, only doujinshi and fanfiction support that one. Fans just hooked two good looking guys together since they read subtle love messages from between the lines. Really, you can find something romantic in every sentence if you really try. Calling Edward short is just some quarrel between lover etc.
Besides, this pairing is pedophilia. Most of the yaoi pairings are since the story is about a teen amongst adult men. I won't say there wasn't comradeship between them but they can never be more than that, friends at tha most.
In most fanfics that are about Roy/Ed, Edward is always portrayed feminine. He would probably be the bottom most of the time in all pairings but in Roy/Ed it it taken to another level. He either carries children or wears dresses.
xMinty, I have to agree with you. Edward is too small to Roy, or at least he is portrayed that way. I keep pointing out things that would halt my favourite pairings too but here is a question: Why is the most loved Fma yaoi pairing also the most hated one?
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^Ed/Roy is technically ephebophilia, not pedophilia, since Ed is 15-16 for most of the story. Still, I agree with a lot of the other things you said. I never understood who people why draw Roy/Ed fanart feel the need to feminize Ed so much. He's consistently portrayed as a flat-chested girl, I swear.
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^ I know exactly what you mean with the flat-chested girl thing. I *hate* Roy and Edward as a romantic couple (because I think they are more of friends or family, and because Roy is too old for Ed whether it's ebophilia or pedophilia). I don't hate yaoi pairings, but I do hate how some- especially Roy/Ed- are portrayed as a manly man and a very stereotypically feminine boy. It's ridiculous.
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I dislike yaoi. Don't really hate it. There might be some pairings I would like but in this case... Why would an adult military man love a boy? And otherwise? Besides, they don't really come along. When I imagine them kissing, it really is cross. I hate it. I just said that about kissing but fans of pairings like these most of the times write/draw much more than that...
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In my opinion, Roy/Ed is wrong for quite a few things, please excuse me while I list them. Though before I go any farther I'm going to apologize to anyone whom I might have insulted with this post. This is just saying my opinion, which is what this thread is for(sort of) 1.) Already brought up, the age difference. I think that if either of the people are old enough to be you're parents, (as in hit puberty before you were born) there shouldn't really be a relationship, but that's just me. (it sortof bothers me too, that someone 2.) The fact that Roy's Eds boss/commanding officer. Dont get me wrong, I Royai, but it's just wrong (I have the same problem with all intermilitary pairings). It can be seen as trying to sleep your way to the top, Witch I consider morally wrong, kind of like nepotism. 3.) Most, not all but quite a bit, of Royed contains them having sex. No I am not saying I'm a homophobe, I have many homosexual or bisexual friends, but in the time era that Fullmetal Alchemist is set in, it's not actually that common. I am fairly certain that couples in that era didn't have sex until after marriage. 4.) Alot of it is ooc, something I am not a fan of (who is) I literally cringe when somethings too ooc. I'm pretty certain that neither of the two most stubborn people in fma would all of the sudden announce their love to each other.
5.) (Warning!End of Series Spoilers Ahead -->)It defies cannon. Yes, it is cannon that Ed and Winry will end up together, no Roy does not have a cannon lover. But do you honestly see Ed as one of those people who has an affair? Or Roy as a house wrecker? I sure don't. In all honesty I despise those people.
6.) When their headbutting and teasing is mis interpreted as flirting. By the attitude of those two it's just a rivalry because they're similar, with no romance underlinings.
Now I'm going to follow up a few comments I've seen here but don't know where or by who or the exact quote.
Concerning something that was talking about how in Japan the normal sex age is 12/13: Fullmetal Alchemist is set in Amestris, a counter part to Germany, not Japan, in the early 1900's. I'm pretty sure the average sex age there is not 12/13.
Concerning The author; No, we don't know who the author is really, I do know however, that she's a huge ship teaser. My main concern with Yaoi is usually that it might be going against the authors intention of the character. If the author didn't intend for the character (namely Roy or Ed seeing as that's what this thread is about) to be homosexual, why force them to be?
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To be honest, I don't hate it, or yaoi. In fact I sometimes even ship yaoi but for this one... I just don't understand why it's overwhelmingly popular. I'll let age gaps, societal norms and ranks slide, but practically speaking, their interactions have no indication of it being a ship at all, aside from the friendly bickering when Ed drops by HQ. I understand that people ship it based on that, but for it to be this popular confuses me a little. There's very little to go with their interactions. It's not the kind that has romantic depth or anything sexual, even.
Basically, I'm okay if people like it but, personally I just don't find it to be a very engaging pairing the moment you drop their playful teasing. They really don't have much going for them, imo.
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QUOTE (Schnabeltier @ Jun 3 2011, 06:01 PM)
I'll let age gaps, societal norms and ranks slide, but practically speaking, their interactions have no indication of it being a ship at all, aside from the friendly bickering when Ed drops by HQ. I understand that people ship it based on that, but for it to be this popular confuses me a little.
Well, you know, if it exists there's yaoi of it
I agree with you. Yaoi is okay, I enjoy Yaoi, have no problems with gay or lesbian people. I just don't see RoyEd really has a potential (And I'm not counting canon here). They can be friends, sure, but love and passion needs much more. Sometimes it seems to me that people see Edward as a female, not a young man he is, and thus decide to pair him with Roy and make them live in marriage just because they are complete opposites. Howis it said, opposites attract each other?
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I think MewPhong said it perfectly. I feel like all that pretty much proves that their "relationship" doesn't make any sense.
As for myself, I really don't like yaoi. And no, I'm not a homophobe. In fact, if an anime gives me a really good maleXmale couple, I'll support it happily. But FMA is NOT one of those cases. I literally just don't know where all of these RoyXEd supporters get their ideas from. It's like yaoi fans just pick two good-looking guys and be like, "YEAH, NEW FAVORITE COUPLE!" Sorry. That doesn't work with me.
And ya know, one of my favorite things that MewPhong brought up was the fact that RoyXEd fans make them SUPER OOC. Out of every reason listed (Warning!End of Series Spoilers Ahead -->)(yes, even above the fact that Ed and Winry are canon), this has got to be my biggest problem. I've read way too many fanfictions of this couple (just because they're ridiculously hilarious), and this is what I've seen consistently:
For some reason, everyone decides that Ed is pretty much a chick. Since when did Ed turn into a pansy? Last I checked, he was a tough, hot-headed boy.
And Roy usually isn't as bad as Ed, but I'm sure that Roy wouldn't have crazy, constant sex with fifteen-year-old boys. Roy's not a sex machine. He's a gentleman.
And as far as both characters go, in the anime and manga, they both act really straight. Where people got the idea to make them gay, I have no idea. But that's probably why they seem so OOC. Their characters literally have to be turned upside down in order to make them gay. But after changing their characters so drastically, are they even Ed and Roy anymore? I don't think so.
I also agree that RoyEd just doesn't make sense and you guys put it perfectly. I'm not a yaoi fan but I do agree that some yaoi pairings are acceptable and some are even fun to see. However, for RoyEd, it's a completely different matter. How can you pair up a fifteen-year-old kid with a grown-up that's twice as old as him (and not to mention the height difference...)? EDIT: xD Sorry Ed I just had to say it and as RadicalDreamer said below height is not an issue (sorry if it appeared obnoxious or dictating in any way. It was just a casual remark/jest I made without thinking.) but age does contribute to the problem in this particular case since Ed is merely fifteen. Anyways, I just don't get this pairing and yet its popularity is surprisingly (and incomprehensibly) high!
To expand, I agree with many points mentioned before. I'm pretty sure there were no signs of them being romantically involved throughout the course of the story. To me, their relationship is simply that of a commanding officer and subordinate. Yes, they do care about one another and their bantering is hilarious and I understand many people enjoy this type of interaction. However, this does not equal romance. Why anyone could imagine them having a possibly sexual relationship is unfathomable to me :/. Also, canon pairings are arguably (but pretty clearly) present for both characters and they each have strong emotional connections with their female partners. I have no absolute hatred toward this pairing but overall, I would say that this pairing just doesn't make any sense at all.
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QUOTE (~Dark Flames~ @ Jun 8 2011, 04:21 PM)
How can you pair up a fifteen-year-old kid with a grown-up that's twice as old as him (and not to mention the height difference...)?
Height difference isn't that much of a problem (Little people need love too, don't they, Edward ?). Age gap isn't necessarily a problem also (but in Ed/Roy's case, it is... as long as Ed is minor, it's wrong). I mean, my own parents have an 7 years age gap (and they met when my mother just turned 18... they were lucky lol)... and I know other parents with a 15 years age gap (Ed and Roy age gap).
In fact, my problem with this pair is... they don't make any sense. They barely interacted in the story. And of course, there is the fact they aren't gay in the first place (I'm not against homosexuals, I respect them, but I'm just not that much into slash... especially when the 2 characters are obviously straight in canon... best friends or not), Edward isn't a girly boy AT ALL (Roy isn't either), they both have a woman/girl they love dearly in canon and yes, the fact that Edward is too young for Roy for now is a problem. Add to that the fact that they're in the military... and as much as I love Royai, I don't think it would reflect good on them to act on their feelings while Riza is still under his command (one day, I'm sure things will change and they'll find a way... but for now... they're bound to their duty and honor). So it's the same thing for RoyEd.
I think they have fans just because they're both hot boys with an attractive personality... and they tend to fight each time they meet. Some people like bickering relationships (I mostly don't... romantically I mean *there are exceptions of course but such ships generally irritate/irk me*... but they can be really funny of course) and antagonist ones (it must be some sort of a kink to ship the hero/heroine and the sick villain together... I have some myself... but I don't ship them seriously *like Kefka/Terra from FF6 which is totally sick and unhealthy, but the art is fun to create* or I don't want them to be really together *like Erik/Christine from POTO or Krelian/Elly from Xenogears who are touching/intriguing but more or less wrong and not meant to be in the end*). I mean, it's not like Envy/Ed makes more sense... it's just a villain/hero kink.
And when it comes to Al/Ed... it disgusts me, without question. Bro love is bro love... it shouldn't turn into sexual stuff/romance. And no comment on the Ed/Ed pair (how do they come up with this stuff !?).
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I agree with everything everyone is saying here. Even if Roy and Ed were both gay, there's no way they'd get together. It just wouldn't work. As everyone said, there's of course the age thing, and then there's the fact that neither of them are gay. Roy's a womanizer. (Warning! Series Final Spoiler ahead! --->)And, we all know what happens with Ed at the end of the series
But that aside, let's just assume that they might be gay and they wouldn't let age get in the way of their love (I think I just choked on the sappiness of that sentence...) they would never start that kind of relationship. Roy constantly treats Ed like a child, because that's all he sees him as. A child. Meaning Roy would never go for him. Ed sees Roy as that annoying older sibling/authority figure who you might secretly idolize or like but he definitely wouldn't love him.
Also, they both have dominating personalities. Roy is a colonel, he's used to ordering people around. He doesn't like doing what others tell him to. He wants to become the Fuhrer of Amestris. He's a leader. Edward HATES doing what other people tell him to. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants. He talked his brother into doing human transmutation with him. His brother does whatever he tells him, because Ed is the leader. See how this wouldn't work. they could never have any relationship besides the one they have.
And, I think one reason RoyxEd is an often-hated FMA pairing can be because some of the Royai fans, like myself, won't put up with Roy X anything but Riza
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