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post Oct 22 2005, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(Chopper Enthusiast @ Oct 22 2005, 03:13 PM) [snapback]303076[/snapback]

Does the pope have power anymore?
I mean, does he make big decisions for the church?

Why wouldn't he?


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post Oct 22 2005, 03:16 PM
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Well, many kings, queens, and emperors of 'monarchs' are simply figureheads nowadays. I was just wondering if the pope was in the same boat.


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post Oct 22 2005, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(Chopper Enthusiast @ Oct 22 2005, 06:16 PM) [snapback]303143[/snapback]

Well, many kings, queens, and emperors of 'monarchs' are simply figureheads nowadays. I was just wondering if the pope was in the same boat.

Nope. The Catholic church really hasn't changed much in the last 500 years.


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post Oct 22 2005, 03:34 PM
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It's a hard question to answer. I used to believe I was very religious, but when it comes down to it, I'd say I'm much more spiritual than religious. I come from a predominantly catholic extended family, and was raised at first in the mormon church. Religion was one of the main issues my parents fought over, as my mom converted after she was married and me dad didn't buy it and didn't want us going. My mom hasn't been active in the church for a long time, and I'm not quite sure what changed. For most recent years, though, we've gone to different churches and found what they have to offer.

I personally don't believe in most of the primary ideas of Mormonism, however I love the strong community they have and most of the people I've known were very devout, but not blindly. They're very intelligent people, and one of the primary encouragements for Mormon teenagers is to research your religion and philosophy, to go out and see what other faiths have to offer, and then make a descision.

I generally admire people who are truly devoted to their faith. There are just too many people who claim to be 'good christians' because they go to church on sundays, take communion, say the rehearsed prayers, and pay their tithe, and yet the other six days of the week, they don't live good lifestyles, and sometimes even downright hurt others in the name of their loving religion.

But maybe that's just me. I'd place morality over blindly faithful actions. I think questioning and trying to understand is essential to becoming a better person, and living a good life. I also don't think God is the petty and human-like being that most religions purport Him to be.


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post Oct 22 2005, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 22 2005, 06:30 PM) [snapback]303153[/snapback]

QUOTE(Chopper Enthusiast @ Oct 22 2005, 06:16 PM) [snapback]303143[/snapback]

Well, many kings, queens, and emperors of 'monarchs' are simply figureheads nowadays. I was just wondering if the pope was in the same boat.

Nope. The Catholic church really hasn't changed much in the last 500 years.


500 years ago...Was that before or after Martin Luther came along?


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QUOTE(nakagos bunny @ Oct 21 2005, 08:44 PM) [snapback]302856[/snapback]

I don't get what their problem with birth control is. I mean, there is nothing in the Bible that says it's wrong to prevent pregnancy, or that everyone should have a lot of children........ huh.gif

Actually, it does. Sex has 2 purposes. One of them is to be open to the chance of new life. Using birth control defeats that purpose....I learned that in Religion class happy.gif


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QUOTE(~FMAgurl~ @ Oct 22 2005, 07:39 PM) [snapback]303183[/snapback]

QUOTE(nakagos bunny @ Oct 21 2005, 08:44 PM) [snapback]302856[/snapback]

I don't get what their problem with birth control is. I mean, there is nothing in the Bible that says it's wrong to prevent pregnancy, or that everyone should have a lot of children........ huh.gif

Actually, it does. Sex has 2 purposes. One of them is to be open to the chance of new life. Using birth control defeats that purpose....I learned that in Religion class happy.gif

And not using birth control defeats the other. Where's the logic in that?


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I can't say I'm religious. I don't participate in church activies and all that stuff.


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I generally admire people who are truly devoted to their faith. There are just too many people who claim to be 'good christians' because they go to church on sundays, take communion, say the rehearsed prayers, and pay their tithe, and yet the other six days of the week, they don't live good lifestyles, and sometimes even downright hurt others in the name of their loving religion.
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Yeah, I know what you mean, I go to a parochial school and there of all places, there are hypocrites just disgracing our faith. mad.gif
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QUOTE(~FMAgurl~ @ Oct 22 2005, 07:39 PM) [snapback]303183[/snapback]

QUOTE(nakagos bunny @ Oct 21 2005, 08:44 PM) [snapback]302856[/snapback]

I don't get what their problem with birth control is. I mean, there is nothing in the Bible that says it's wrong to prevent pregnancy, or that everyone should have a lot of children........ huh.gif

Actually, it does. Sex has 2 purposes. One of them is to be open to the chance of new life. Using birth control defeats that purpose....I learned that in Religion class happy.gif


What did they say was the other reason for sex? *have never been educated in Catholic schools* Me personally, I think sex is an expression of love. I wouldn't want it for any other reason. I do want to have kids someday but with someone I love, or through artificial insemination if I can't find that.

Being open to new life is all good and fine, but what if a person can't afford to take care of that new life? Or just doesn't like children or think they could be a good parent? The Church would say they shouldn't be married then, but that seesm kinda unfair. We aren't all cut from the same cloth. Some people just aren't cut out or even can't afford to be parents.
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post Oct 24 2005, 05:18 PM
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I don't consider myself religious but I do believe, more so as I get older. As a child I went to church often but I hardly ever go now. But I pray every day and read some bible verses. I want to go to heaven and Jesus died for me so that makes me want to better with my life and to not be so selfish. I am trying. Anyway, there's my 2 cents.


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post Oct 24 2005, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(nakagos bunny @ Oct 23 2005, 12:23 PM) [snapback]303510[/snapback]

Being open to new life is all good and fine, but what if a person can't afford to take care of that new life? Or just doesn't like children or think they could be a good parent? The Church would say they shouldn't be married then, but that seesm kinda unfair. We aren't all cut from the same cloth. Some people just aren't cut out or even can't afford to be parents.


Unfortunately the church doesn't seem to see it that way. They almost seem to punish people who make mistakes with sex. You are right, quite a few people have no business having children. Iin our society that clings to the Kodak moment as if it was a religion, it's unthinkable that someone doesn't want or shouldn't *gasp* have children. Nobody wants to look at the big picture because they are afraid of what they will see.

I don't see sex as just for procreation it is an expression of love. Wether you want kids or not, this is not the 15th century we don't need to populate the earth anymore. We're there and then some.
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post Oct 24 2005, 06:03 PM
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I think the christian opposition to birth control isn't based on the belief that people should all have hoardes of children, so much as the belief that people should forego sex if it isn't for the sake of procreation. Unfortunately, most efforts to make people suppress their sexual urges don't go well, so people go ahead and have sex without birth control, rather than not having sex at all (under the wrong circumstances) like the church would prefer. Not that there aren't people who are perfectly comfortable being celibate (sp?), but there are also plenty who aren't.
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post Oct 24 2005, 06:22 PM
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I am religious, but I dont see myself as perfect. I know I make mistakes every day, and I can only hope that those mistakes be forgiven. I dont really go to church regularly, but I really dont believe that going to a service makes someone religious or not. I believe it is what is in the individuals heart that determine that. I respect all points of view in terms of religion, and have expirimented with most of them at one point or another until I decided what is right for me. I have read both the Qu'ran and the Bible, and I belive they are both good books. I hope to someday get a chance to read other manuscripts, if not for religious purposes, than for their historicle value.


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post Oct 26 2005, 05:10 PM
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Yeah Im very religious. I have to be or else my mom would disown me.


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