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Question About Roy: About His Military Rank, And Related His Frame Of Mind, Etc. In The Movie, (Spoiler alert! ^)
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seventh_sky
post Oct 24 2005, 06:36 PM
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I explained it to a friend and she thought it was OOC, even though she hasn't seen very much of FMA at all....


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post Oct 25 2005, 02:20 AM
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yeah, I thought he was very OOC too


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post Oct 25 2005, 02:56 PM
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the muddled ending to Roy from the movie is why we should all put our faith in the manga and hope for a better explaination/conclusion.


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post Oct 25 2005, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 23 2005, 09:21 PM) [snapback]303535[/snapback]

Everybody took what I was going to say XD

Seriously, though, I just don't think that he would give up all that he'd worked so hard for just like that because he felt 'unworthy' or something. When he felt bad about killing those doctors, he pledged to himself that he'd rule the military and fix things. If he feels bad now, why would he just all of a sudden decide to punish himself for no real reason?

(I apologize if that post made no sense XD)


Did you even watch the end of the series? HE CAN'T BECOME FUHRER ANYMORE! THE TITLE OF FUHRER WAS DISOLVED!

He achieved his goal of helping the country and making it a better place to live. HE ACHIEVED HIS PURPOSE AND GOAL! In other words, he LOST HIS PURPOSE AND GOAL HAVING ACHIEVED IT! So Roy just doesn't know what his purpose is anymore and he drifts through life.


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post Oct 25 2005, 10:44 PM
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but he said "I'm doing what I can to serve my country", he could do more in the higher ups,and he drop his title and the alchemy because of the crimes he commited. The goal was never mentioned when talking about his demotion in any interview nor anything, I think that's some conclussion you can get to when trying to explain his behaviour.


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post Oct 25 2005, 11:52 PM
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QUOTE(Reika @ Oct 26 2005, 05:44 AM) [snapback]304513[/snapback]

but he said "I'm doing what I can to serve my country", he could do more in the higher ups,and he drop his title and the alchemy because of the crimes he commited. The goal was never mentioned when talking about his demotion in any interview nor anything, I think that's some conclussion you can get to when trying to explain his behaviour.


So what? At least I'm actually trying to think about valid explanations.

After everything that Roy has been through, his depression and post-tramautic stress makes a lot of sense to me.


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post Oct 26 2005, 12:02 AM
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are you two gonna have another battle like on that other topic?

and TheVileOne, how come youre always so hell bent on trying to say the animated version of FMA is perfect? its like every time someone raises a question about it you imply that theyre dumb


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post Oct 26 2005, 12:05 AM
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I would actually fathom to say that he had been planning the exile since right after he defeated Bradley. That would certainly explain the way Riza was looking at him at the end of the series.


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post Oct 26 2005, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Oct 26 2005, 07:02 AM) [snapback]304552[/snapback]

are you two gonna have another battle like on that other topic?

and TheVileOne, how come youre always so hell bent on trying to say the animated version of FMA is perfect? its like every time someone raises a question about it you imply that theyre dumb


I never said it was perfect. I just think its great, brilliant, and emotional. I think the manga is as well. So what's the problem?

And just a little FYI kaizenyorii, you say people raise a question about the anime? I answer the questions.

Seeing what Roy has been through and where he is in the movie, its NOT that hard to fill in the blanks. The series, while he was alive and well did leave him in a bad place. He lost his eye. And he also lost his goal of becoming Fuhrer. Combine that to all he has done over the years, what happens to him in the movie was inevitable. He no longer had the goal or purpose of becoming Fuhrer and he just became a lost soul. Sometimes this HAPPENS to people. Its perfectly IN character and appropriate to me.

Seventh_sky is saying, "I showed it to a friend and even she thought it was OOC even though she hasn't seen much of FMA." What does that have anything to do with it? Are we supposed to invest in the opinion of someone who has not even watched as much FMA and invested nearly as much time in it as we have? They obviously could've missed some huge and significant details.


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post Oct 26 2005, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 26 2005, 02:05 AM) [snapback]304553[/snapback]

I would actually fathom to say that he had been planning the exile since right after he defeated Bradley. That would certainly explain the way Riza was looking at him at the end of the series.

That's a new and interesting angle, to me, of looking at this, and I think it's certainly plausible.
So, they had that sweet and tender moment at the end of the series, knowing what Mustang will become later...
Wow, that's deep.


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post Oct 26 2005, 11:19 AM
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Agreed Tombow. I think that itself is a great observation.


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post Oct 26 2005, 06:14 PM
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What I was trying to say was that someone who doesn't even know that much about FMA can see that Roy's decision was way OOC!!!

And even if the post of Fuhrer was dissolved, wouldn't Roy just find another way to get a leadership position of some sort instead of demoting himself for no particular reason?

Why would he punish himself for killing someone who was truly evil and manipulating people to start wars???


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QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 26 2005, 09:14 PM) [snapback]304799[/snapback]


Why would he punish himself for killing someone who was truly evil and manipulating people to start wars???

He wasn't punishing himself. Why is that so hard to understand? He wanted to get away from everything for a while.


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post Oct 26 2005, 06:57 PM
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If he really wanted to do that, wouldn't he quit the military all together?


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post Oct 26 2005, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 27 2005, 01:14 AM) [snapback]304799[/snapback]

What I was trying to say was that someone who doesn't even know that much about FMA can see that Roy's decision was way OOC!!!


Guess what seventh sky? I'm someone who DOES know much about FMA. And I can see that Roy's decision was NOT out of character. What do you have to say about that? Just wondering.

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And even if the post of Fuhrer was dissolved, wouldn't Roy just find another way to get a leadership position of some sort instead of demoting himself for no particular reason?


Nope. Roy is a soldier, not a politician. The government is now controlled by politicians, a parliament, not the military. A life of a soldier is all Roy knows. Could he be a govt. leader if he really wanted to? I think he can. But what you don't understand is that Roy Mustang does not.

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Why would he punish himself for killing someone who was truly evil and manipulating people to start wars???


He's not punishing himself for that all, don't know where you got that.

How about how he couldn't save that little boy? How about how he couldn't save Ed?


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