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Question About Roy: About His Military Rank, And Related His Frame Of Mind, Etc. In The Movie, (Spoiler alert! ^)
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yellowduckie
post Oct 11 2005, 07:28 PM
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Please pardon me if the answer was blatant in some episode, but I truly have trouble figuring this out.

Wasn't Roy promoted to Brigadier General at some point near the end of the series? Why then, after the mess with the King Bradley Homunculus did he end up being a lowly corporal in the beginning of the movie?

Was he demoted? Why? Because he killed the homunculus? Because he didn't start a war or something?

Or was it self-imposed? Truly, I can see why he would want isolation from the warfare and murder and psychological guilt, therefore, retreating up there in the artics, but to give up his position and all or his subordinates? especially since rank and moving up were so important to him throughout the series!

And when his former subordinates went up to go visit him, were they trying to get him to go back to Central and lead them again? therefore suggesting that he voluntarily became a lowly outpost guard?

Any information/thoughts/insight?
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post Oct 22 2005, 05:33 PM
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What she said XD

I just really don't think Roy would ....give up so easily, you know? Giving up his postion seems like giving up to me.


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post Oct 22 2005, 06:45 PM
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there's some things i don't you guys are all considering...
roy is supposed to be a human being. he is not a moral compass or an instrument that automatically does the thing where he would be most useful. his stated goal is to help (actually, i don't even believe he ever says that. he says "to change the way this country works") but he there's more going on here than just his duty to accomplishing his goals.
i think we can all agree then, that just because something might be the best course of action for him to take in whatever goals he has, doesn't mean that he chooses it. he's not perfect and there are some other factors here.
-guilt is the big one. we know he killed a lot of people, he killed the rockbells, he somewhat blames himself for hughes' death, and i'm going to guess he now blames himself for what seems to him to be the death of ed.
-he doesn't think highly of himself as a human being. throughout the series he says things like "i wasn't even able to pull the trigger," "even a life like mine has some use," and "us alchemists are such sick predictable things." at least at the end of the ishbal rebellion, the only reason he has for living AT ALL is his mission to transform the country. that's it.
-command has its benefits and its risks. though you can change things from the top a lot more, you also open yourself up to much more responsibility and potential for guilt.
-he doesn't have to worry about being given outrageous orders to do horrible things. he has stated quite clearly he will never follow them.

ok then, here's what i think has happened. his goal of changing the country accomplished, roy honestly sees no reason to retain his rank. he's likely sick of having blood on his hands, he views himself as some sort of sinner, etc. plus, it's a reality in the army that the lives of officers are of a higher priority than the lives of foot soldiers (this isn't unfair, it's just so that the leadership can stay intact. otherwise everyone might die).
in one way, you could perhaps view his self-imposed exile as a little selfish. he doesn't want to hurt anyone else, so he's surrendering leadership and having to make decisions so that he is only responsible for himself.
he carries a gun because he's just a normal foot soldier.

then the crisis in central happens. roy puts his little pity party on hold and comes into central. notice how he instantly takes command. he is a natural leader, and the fact he's doing it all in a soldier's uniform just shows how ridiculous things are otherwise.
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- yellowduckie   Question About Roy: About His Military Rank, And Related His Frame Of Mind, Etc. In The Movie   Oct 11 2005, 07:28 PM
- - Tombow   It's not clear from the movie, and many of us ...   Oct 14 2005, 02:28 AM
- - Ouro-boros   He was promoted at the last episodes to Brigadier ...   Oct 22 2005, 08:48 AM
- - Ladymercury (unable to log in)   I feel that's so OOC it hurts. Roy isn't o...   Oct 22 2005, 03:28 PM
- - Reika   yeah, specially after he got to be brigadier gener...   Oct 22 2005, 03:33 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   what is the only reason that roy mustang cared abo...   Oct 22 2005, 04:48 PM
- - Neko_Nayru   yeah, it confused me too.... just another reason t...   Oct 22 2005, 04:41 PM
- - What, no bacon?   Once again, you people prove that you can't th...   Oct 22 2005, 04:44 PM
- - Reika   @What, no bacon?: Why do you generalize? Keep your...   Oct 22 2005, 04:50 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Reika @ Oct 22 2005, 07:50 PM) 3031...   Oct 22 2005, 04:55 PM
- - Reika   I answered you above with more than "it's...   Oct 22 2005, 05:01 PM
- - seventh_sky   I don't know what it is about this forum and j...   Oct 22 2005, 05:08 PM
- - blackrider76   i think theres no point in going to the top, now t...   Oct 22 2005, 05:10 PM
|- - fma_milan_freak   QUOTE (blackrider76 @ Oct 23 2005, 05:40 ...   Apr 22 2010, 02:14 AM
- - Reika   But how can you protect your country with a title ...   Oct 22 2005, 05:12 PM
- - What, no bacon?   Some of you seem to forget that the whole system o...   Oct 22 2005, 05:16 PM
- - Reika   true, now that you mention it, does someone know h...   Oct 22 2005, 05:21 PM
|- - Tombow   QUOTE (Katana Alchemist @ Oct 22 2005, 08...   Oct 22 2005, 11:41 PM
|- - Ladymercury (unable to log in)   Reika: Thanks for agreeing with me XD I thought pe...   Oct 23 2005, 11:16 AM
- - Ladymercury (unable to log in)   Sorry I am failing to think outside that box. ...   Oct 22 2005, 07:26 PM
- - Reika   I agree in everything with Ladymercury, it's w...   Oct 23 2005, 03:17 AM
- - Dai   Hi people, I just realized something... It is sa...   Oct 23 2005, 06:28 AM
- - Reika   It's not said, but I think you could take it t...   Oct 23 2005, 06:30 AM
- - Dai   I suppose, but I think the movie should have clear...   Oct 23 2005, 06:31 AM
- - Reika   I think they tried to show and develope and show t...   Oct 23 2005, 06:33 AM
- - Reika   no need to thank me XD you just had the same opini...   Oct 23 2005, 01:47 PM
- - seventh_sky   Everybody took what I was going to say XD Serious...   Oct 23 2005, 02:21 PM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 23 2005, 09:21 PM...   Oct 25 2005, 10:11 PM
- - Ladymercury (unable to log in)   XD Yay, so we're not all crazy in thinking tha...   Oct 23 2005, 03:05 PM
- - Reika   XDDDDDDDDD no, I don't think so XD   Oct 24 2005, 09:20 AM
- - seventh_sky   I explained it to a friend and she thought it was ...   Oct 24 2005, 06:36 PM
- - Miniskirt   yeah, I thought he was very OOC too   Oct 25 2005, 02:20 AM
- - kaizenyorii   the muddled ending to Roy from the movie is why we...   Oct 25 2005, 02:56 PM
- - Reika   but he said "I'm doing what I can to serv...   Oct 25 2005, 10:44 PM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(Reika @ Oct 26 2005, 05:44 AM) 3045...   Oct 25 2005, 11:52 PM
- - kaizenyorii   are you two gonna have another battle like on that...   Oct 26 2005, 12:02 AM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(kaizenyorii @ Oct 26 2005, 07:02 AM...   Oct 26 2005, 12:45 AM
- - What, no bacon?   I would actually fathom to say that he had been pl...   Oct 26 2005, 12:05 AM
|- - Tombow   QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 26 2005, 02:0...   Oct 26 2005, 02:22 AM
- - TheVileOne   Agreed Tombow. I think that itself is a great obs...   Oct 26 2005, 11:19 AM
- - seventh_sky   What I was trying to say was that someone who does...   Oct 26 2005, 06:14 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 26 2005, 09:14 PM...   Oct 26 2005, 06:29 PM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 27 2005, 01:14 AM...   Oct 26 2005, 10:46 PM
- - seventh_sky   If he really wanted to do that, wouldn't he qu...   Oct 26 2005, 06:57 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   here's the thing with you people saying you do...   Oct 27 2005, 12:04 AM
- - TheVileOne   I see a lot of people like katana alchemist coming...   Oct 27 2005, 12:46 AM
- - Reika   Ok, just one thing: The fact that the demons are ...   Oct 27 2005, 08:22 AM
|- - Katana Alchemist   a lot of people, when they are beset by depression...   Oct 27 2005, 04:50 PM
- - TheVileOne   I think Katana alchemist and others already explai...   Oct 27 2005, 03:37 PM
- - seventh_sky   QUOTE(TheVileOne @ Oct 27 2005, 01:46 AM)...   Oct 27 2005, 06:01 PM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(seventh_sky @ Oct 28 2005, 01:01 AM...   Oct 27 2005, 09:31 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   i don't think anyone is saying that the minute...   Oct 27 2005, 10:45 PM
- - Ladymercury   Since no one has debated what I wrote and since th...   Oct 28 2005, 10:13 AM
- - Reika   I'm not going to add anything else either, non...   Oct 28 2005, 12:08 PM
- - Ladymercury   All and all, I will still stick to my belief and s...   Oct 28 2005, 12:14 PM
- - Reika   ...see? that's why I said I wouldn't add a...   Oct 28 2005, 12:24 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   QUOTE(Reika @ Oct 28 2005, 03:24 PM) 3056...   Oct 28 2005, 01:08 PM
- - seventh_sky   I'm not changing my opinions based on what I...   Oct 28 2005, 03:40 PM
- - TheVileOne   I personally find it aggravating that so many peop...   Oct 29 2005, 12:21 AM
- - yellowduckie   Wow! boy, have I not checked this thread in a ...   Nov 4 2005, 06:17 AM
- - Tombow   Ha, "To avoid making Roy steal spotlight from...   Nov 4 2005, 10:48 AM
- - vfdj42   It's possible Roy will start climbing the rank...   Nov 13 2005, 12:39 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   QUOTE(vfdj42 @ Nov 13 2005, 02:39 PM) 313...   Nov 16 2005, 12:20 AM
- - The Great Asparagus   awww that's so sad. mustang felt really bad th...   Dec 4 2005, 09:27 PM
- - fma lover stef   well i don't know about roy and the ranks, bes...   Apr 26 2006, 08:02 PM
- - Fujihakama   If you watch one of the interviews with the direct...   Dec 28 2007, 12:06 AM
|- - Amethyst Sunset   QUOTE(Fujihakama @ Dec 28 2007, 03:06 PM)...   Dec 28 2007, 02:04 AM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE(Fujihakama @ Dec 27 2007, 11:06 PM)...   Dec 28 2007, 11:00 AM
- - swirlees   well, i suppose that being burned alive hurts a lo...   Mar 22 2008, 12:59 PM
- - ltrizahawkeye   if roy was happy, why are his subordinates not hap...   Apr 21 2008, 07:20 PM
- - Popogeejo   QUOTEwhy was he even demoted?! for killing the...   Apr 22 2008, 04:39 AM
- - Hawkeye_1863   Well, I hope that I don't get out of the subje...   Apr 22 2008, 08:04 AM
|- - Claudius   QUOTE(Hawkeye_1863 @ Apr 22 2008, 07:04 A...   Apr 23 2008, 03:14 AM
- - The Copycat Alchemist   "In the Movie; Conqueror of Shambala, Roy pr...   Feb 3 2010, 07:56 PM


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