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Mistakes & Redemption, Thoughts on the movie (spoilers)
Katana Alchemist
post Sep 13 2005, 06:50 PM
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I thought the movie was excellent. The ending itself was perfect. If you keep in mind that the whole story arc of Fullmetal Alchemist is about two children that commit an awful sin and have to live with the consequences of it, I think the ending is satisfying.
Throughout the whole storyline, Equivalent Exchange is maintained:
1. Ed & Al commit a terrible sin. As payment, Al dies and Ed loses an arm.
2. Ed brings Al back to life. As payment, Ed loses his leg and Al is trapped in a metal suit of armor.
...skip ahead to end of series...
3. Al brings a murdered Ed back to life and gives him his real arm & leg. As payment, Al (and the rest of the Philosopher's Stone) is consumed.
4. Ed brings Al back to life in his full body. As payment, Ed is taken beyond the gate, he's stuck with his automail again and Al loses his memory.
...skip to movie...
5. Al opens the gate. As payment Wrath and the rest of the Philosopher's Stone (which I assume is what makes Gluttony superpowerful) is consumed.
6. Ed is reunited with Al. As payment a few (hundred) people decide to tag along and wreak havoc on Hagaren World.
7. Ed goes back through the gate to destroy the portal. However, he's finally reunited with his brother and Al has his memories back. As payment they're stuck in our crappy world.

However, they're together and have (most of) their bodies back. They can continue their journey and they have each other. Al can feel human again and they've fulfilled their goal.

Our lives are all about the choices we make and the mistakes that screw them up. They're also about learning from consequences and trying to fix those mistakes.

Bottom line: Equivalent Exchange isn't just about alchemy. It's about how everything you do has a consequence, a price you have to pay. Fullmetal Alchemist is about the Elrics learning that fact and dealing with it. Yeah, things are not the same since they commited the ultimate sin in alchemy and they shouldn't be. However, they have found a balance they can live with. Al has his body and Ed can live with his automail. They're together and the world is wide open for them to explore.

Other random thoughts:
The entrance of Mustang was really really cool. In fact all the battle scenes were very cool. I kinda expected Mustang to casually waltz in there like that and lay the smack down. I was not dissappointed.
I don't think I've ever seen a character look so fearsome while at the same time being totally goofy and silly. The Armstrong stone head alchemy thing was great. I fell out of my chair laughing.
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Ed-o Elrich
post Sep 13 2005, 07:56 PM
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In the last few episodes of the series though, we learn there is no equivelant exchange; it doesn't exist.

I agree with a great deal of what you said, but we have to remember that...equivalent exchange is not really a law of alchemy or the world really, at least according to the end of the show..
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post Sep 19 2006, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(Ed-o Elrich @ Sep 14 2005, 12:56 PM) [snapback]283783[/snapback]

In the last few episodes of the series though, we learn there is no equivelant exchange; it doesn't exist.

I agree with a great deal of what you said, but we have to remember that...equivalent exchange is not really a law of alchemy or the world really, at least according to the end of the show..



Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete. Equivalent Exchange doesn't encompass everything that goes on here. But I still choose to believe in its principle: that all things do come at a price. That there's an ebb, and a flow, a cycle. That the pain we went through did have a reward and that anyone who's determined and perseveres will get something of value in return, even if it's not what they expected. I don't think of Equivalent Exchange as a law of the world anymore. I think of it as a promise between my brother and me - a promise that someday, we'll see each other again. — Alphonse Elric


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hito wa nanika no gisei nashi ni, nani mo eru koto wa dekinai.
nanika wo eru tame ni wa, doutou no daika ga hitsuyou ni naru.
sore ga, renkinjutsu ni okeru "toukakoukan" no gensoku da.
sono koro, bokura wa sore ga sekai no shinjitsu da to shinjiteita.

Humankind can not get anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost.
That is Alchemy's first law of equlivant exchange.
In those days, we really believed that to be the world’s one and only truth.


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post Sep 19 2006, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE(Ting @ Sep 19 2006, 02:44 AM) [snapback]448267[/snapback]
Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete. Equivalent Exchange doesn't encompass everything that goes on here. But I still choose to believe in its principle: that all things do come at a price. That there's an ebb, and a flow, a cycle. That the pain we went through did have a reward and that anyone who's determined and perseveres will get something of value in return, even if it's not what they expected. I don't think of Equivalent Exchange as a law of the world anymore. I think of it as a promise between my brother and me - a promise that someday, we'll see each other again. - Alphonse Elric
@Ting - And, YOUR opinion on " Mistakes & Redemption on FMA" is..??? biggrin.gif

Heck, you revived a thread from last year!! I was hoping to read more than Al's quote!! XDDD
Please, at least let us hear your opinion on the topic!! laugh.gif


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QUOTE(Tombow @ Sep 19 2006, 07:35 PM) [snapback]448294[/snapback]

QUOTE(Ting @ Sep 19 2006, 02:44 AM) [snapback]448267[/snapback]
Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth. But the world isn't perfect, and the law is incomplete. Equivalent Exchange doesn't encompass everything that goes on here. But I still choose to believe in its principle: that all things do come at a price. That there's an ebb, and a flow, a cycle. That the pain we went through did have a reward and that anyone who's determined and perseveres will get something of value in return, even if it's not what they expected. I don't think of Equivalent Exchange as a law of the world anymore. I think of it as a promise between my brother and me - a promise that someday, we'll see each other again. - Alphonse Elric
@Ting - And, YOUR opinion on " Mistakes & Redemption on FMA" is..??? biggrin.gif

Heck, you revived a thread from last year!! I was hoping to read more than Al's quote!! XDDD
Please, at least let us hear your opinion on the topic!! laugh.gif


Hmm... my thoughts of the movie?

I kinda get confused at the start because I haven't finished the series yet (i think I was at about ep.25 at that time) but after I finish, it got pretty clear and I knew what happened.

Afterall, it was a pretty good wrap up for the whole FMA, but I just hope Bones will make more than that.

Sorry about Al's quote >.<


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hito wa nanika no gisei nashi ni, nani mo eru koto wa dekinai.
nanika wo eru tame ni wa, doutou no daika ga hitsuyou ni naru.
sore ga, renkinjutsu ni okeru "toukakoukan" no gensoku da.
sono koro, bokura wa sore ga sekai no shinjitsu da to shinjiteita.

Humankind can not get anything without first giving something in return.
To obtain, something of equal value must be lost.
That is Alchemy's first law of equlivant exchange.
In those days, we really believed that to be the world’s one and only truth.


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- Katana Alchemist   Mistakes & Redemption   Sep 13 2005, 06:50 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   well the main point of my post was to address the ...   Sep 13 2005, 08:21 PM
|- - Ting   QUOTE(Ed-o Elrich @ Sep 14 2005, 12...   Sep 19 2006, 12:44 AM
- - FullMetal_Stella   You said: 1. Ed & Al commit a terrible sin. As...   Sep 14 2005, 11:07 AM
- - FMAlover^   QUOTEYou said: 1. Ed & Al commit a terrible si...   Sep 15 2005, 12:15 AM
- - Red Shadow   Also Al wasn't really dead all that time, so E...   Sep 21 2005, 02:32 AM
|- - Katana Alchemist   QUOTE(Red Shadow @ Sep 21 2005, 04:32 AM)...   Nov 16 2005, 12:49 PM
- - Ed Elrich   O.k so give the breakdown of what happen in the mo...   Nov 16 2005, 12:54 PM
- - Tombow   @Ed Elrich - Movie summary might help?? Movie summ...   Nov 16 2005, 01:16 PM
- - Nubz   The bottom line here is that this was a very sad e...   Nov 16 2005, 01:20 PM
|- - TheVileOne   QUOTE(Nubz @ Nov 16 2005, 08:20 PM) 31561...   Nov 16 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - Katana Alchemist   QUOTE(Nubz @ Nov 16 2005, 03:20 PM) 31561...   Nov 17 2005, 11:04 PM
|- - Nubz   QUOTE(Katana Alchemist @ Nov 18 2005, 01...   Nov 18 2005, 11:59 AM
|- - Katana Alchemist   QUOTE(Nubz @ Nov 18 2005, 01:59 PM) 31658...   Nov 18 2005, 01:01 PM
- - kaizenyorii   QUOTE(Nubz @ Nov 16 2005, 03:20 PM) 31561...   Nov 16 2005, 03:42 PM
- - saponin   loved the movie, but i was so disappointed with mu...   Sep 19 2006, 08:49 AM


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