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post Jun 26 2005, 10:05 PM
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I had an argument with my friend about this, so I wanted to know what you guys thought. Do you support or oppose abortion? Give an explanation to why if you can. If you aren't mature enough to discuss this than don't post.

I personally am against abortion because it's just like murder. That and also because I'm Catholic...but that's another discussion. Anyway, if people know that they can get pregnant from having sex, then they shouldn't do it at all of they're not willing to accept the possible consequences.

Edit: If you mods think this is a bad idea, considering that you have been here a lot longer than me...than close this.


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Lord Odenetheus
post Jun 28 2005, 03:50 AM
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Why not just stop having sex? It's just a human pleasure act, after all. Chastity is a good way to solve the issue.


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post Jun 28 2005, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Jun 28 2005, 03:50 AM)
Why not just stop having sex? It's just a human pleasure act, after all. Chastity is a good way to solve the issue.
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Chasity doesn't always work. Human beings are sexual animals and when they are younger their hormones are more likely to take control of them. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to pratice abstance successfully.

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well i say this about that, if they are crazy enough to put there own life on the line to kill another, it's there problem they want to be idiots and kill another life, and murder another life, nothing better to risk then your own life to do so right, I hope they make abortion illegal again, yes that may sound sick and sad but i don't care, it's just as sick and sad as thinking of killing a lil kid


First off let me say I don't believe a fetus is the same as a grown sentient adult. I don't see it as a human yet. I don't believe it has a soul yet because look at how easily women can miscarry or re-absorb the fetus back into the body.

That's a very compassionate stance you have there Envy. What if it was someone you cared about like a sister or good friend, maybe even a lover that had to go through that for some reason. Would you want them to die as well?

A lot of people here just see this issue in black and white and I doubt have read any articles about what these woman went through to led up to their decision to terminate their pregnancys. Oh, they should just stop having sex you say. Like I said above humans are sexual beings and they also make mistakes.

What I really think is sick is all these christians saying how the mother should die because she because she had to abort and the precious lump of cells in her uterus is the only thing worth saving.

Is that your kettle Mr black?

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Abortion however does contribute to keeping the population from spiraling out of control more than it already is.


The problem is that even in this day and age birth control is often times looked at as something only sluts use and is often times against some religions. If people were truely educated about birth control the need for abortion would go way down. But, since it is taboo for some they go ahead and do the deed without protection and a lot of times have to sneak off and have an abortion that could of been prevented.

I read an article reciently about a woman who got a perscription for the morning after pill the pharmicist denied her prescription based only on the pharmicists religious views. The pregnancy took and she had to have an abortion because she could not afford another child. Fundie parmicists are really starting to stick their nose into complete strangers business due to their belief system. And women who want to be responsible are the ones to suffer.

I wrote a whole article about it here.

Click on the Fundie Farmicists article.
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post Jun 28 2005, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Jun 28 2005, 03:13 PM)
QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Jun 28 2005, 03:50 AM)
Why not just stop having sex? It's just a human pleasure act, after all. Chastity is a good way to solve the issue.
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Chasity doesn't always work. Human beings are sexual animals and when they are younger their hormones are more likely to take control of them. It is unrealistic to expect everyone to pratice abstance successfully.

QUOTE(Envy)
well i say this about that, if they are crazy enough to put there own life on the line to kill another, it's there problem they want to be idiots and kill another life, and murder another life, nothing better to risk then your own life to do so right, I hope they make abortion illegal again, yes that may sound sick and sad but i don't care, it's just as sick and sad as thinking of killing a lil kid


First off let me say I don't believe a fetus is the same as a grown sentient adult. I don't see it as a human yet. I don't believe it has a soul yet because look at how easily women can miscarry or re-absorb the fetus back into the body.

That's a very compassionate stance you have there Envy. What if it was someone you cared about like a sister or good friend, maybe even a lover that had to go through that for some reason. Would you want them to die as well?

A lot of people here just see this issue in black and white and I doubt have read any articles about what these woman went through to led up to their decision to terminate their pregnancys. Oh, they should just stop having sex you say. Like I said above humans are sexual beings and they also make mistakes.

What I really think is sick is all these christians saying how the mother should die because she because she had to abort and the precious lump of cells in her uterus is the only thing worth saving.

Is that your kettle Mr black?

QUOTE(NightMistress)
Abortion however does contribute to keeping the population from spiraling out of control more than it already is.


The problem is that even in this day and age birth control is often times looked at as something only sluts use and is often times against some religions. If people were truely educated about birth control the need for abortion would go way down. But, since it is taboo for some they go ahead and do the deed without protection and a lot of times have to sneak off and have an abortion that could of been prevented.

I read an article reciently about a woman who got a perscription for the morning after pill the pharmicist denied her prescription based only on the pharmicists religious views. The pregnancy took and she had to have an abortion because she could not afford another child. Fundie parmicists are really starting to stick their nose into complete strangers business due to their belief system. And women who want to be responsible are the ones to suffer.

I wrote a whole article about it here.

Click on the Fundie Farmicists article.
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First off I agree with you on everything, but I'm going to get to your reply to me at hand.

If birth control is against their religion, you'd think abortion would be too. Ah religion can be so confusing at times.

I do agree that learning more about sex and proper precautions are the only way to keep it to a minimum. Having a president in office that wants to promote abstinence instead (and was probably anything BUT that in his day) will only worsen the deal because sex is natural and since humans have gotten the taste of the non-puritan way of life, it is NEVER going to go away.

You are just NOW reading those types of articles? Oh man you don't know the half of it. Several months ago this girl who claimed to have been raped the night before went into a pharmacy to get herself a morning after pill. The pharmacist REFUSED to give it to her because it was against her religious views.

Then for your regular birth control pills (or patch), there have been stories of doctors who refuse to fill it for the same reason. My feelings on that issue are simple though. If you have some type of religious reservation for any part of the job you're doing, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT JOB!!! This person (who you couldn't PAY me to call a professional) trying to force their religious beliefs on someone would be equally appalled (and probably unwilling to listen) if it were the other way around and that client forced some religious belief on them (ie: their religion doesn't like cars so the pharmacist has to walk 20 miles home). It is completely REDICULOUS and something needs to be done about that rather quickly.

These stories are extremely angering to me and I am SO happy that this isn't a problem for women around here. They promote it a LOT. Birth control pills can be EXPENSIVE depending on what type of insurance you have and you need to take it on a set schedule and it absolutely CANNOT be thrown off. It isn't used strictly for sluts either. Sexually active does NOT make you a slut. Furthermore, many women have it soley for period regulation and pain relief. There is a doctor against using it for these purposes as well (it was a male). He believed that praying would make the pain go away. I'm sorry but a man with a solution like that (who is NEVER going to experience these things) would be lucky if he were the LAST person that I am refer to for this issue. *If* I pray on it (and it will most likely be prayer that my pills kick in), it's because of my own faith, not his.


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- ~FMAgurl~   Abortion   Jun 26 2005, 10:05 PM
- - NightMistress   Considering how extremely controversial this topic...   Jun 26 2005, 10:36 PM
- - zarpia   I totally agree with you NightMistress, it depends...   Jun 26 2005, 10:42 PM
- - ~FMAgurl~   I agree that is a very good argument, NightMistres...   Jun 26 2005, 10:53 PM
- - Quistis88   Reminds me of the argument Bacon and I had with Bl...   Jun 26 2005, 11:01 PM
- - ~FMAgurl~   Can a mod make a "Depends" option? I hav...   Jun 26 2005, 11:05 PM
- - Quistis88   Done, and I voted for it.   Jun 26 2005, 11:13 PM
- - ~FMAgurl~   Thanks Quistis .   Jun 26 2005, 11:14 PM
- - zarpia   I didn't voted untill quiss made that third op...   Jun 27 2005, 12:12 AM
- - edsgirl   I'm definately going to go with the depends op...   Jun 27 2005, 12:54 AM
- - Lord Odenetheus   I hate the "abortion = murder" arguement...   Jun 27 2005, 01:24 AM
- - arche   Abortion issue is based primarily on whether or no...   Jun 27 2005, 04:45 AM
- - What, no bacon?   Didn't we already have this discussion? Didn...   Jun 27 2005, 07:45 AM
- - arche   Bacon, you are appealing to the public health aspe...   Jun 27 2005, 08:51 AM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(arche @ Jun 27 2005, 03:51 PM)Bacon, yo...   Jun 27 2005, 03:46 PM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Also remember abortion was illegal before and it d...   Jun 27 2005, 03:52 PM
- - Quistis88   Isn't there also debate on when a fetus is con...   Jun 27 2005, 10:21 AM
|- - WhiteMike   QUOTE(Quistis88 @ Jun 27 2005, 12:21 PM)Isn...   Jun 28 2005, 07:40 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   It should be legal regardless. Some people shou...   Jun 27 2005, 10:46 AM
|- - NightMistress   QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Jun 27 ...   Jun 28 2005, 10:10 AM
- - WhiteMike   You can't be blindly for or against abortions....   Jun 27 2005, 12:22 PM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   QUOTE(WhiteMike @ Jun 27 2005, 12:22 PM)You c...   Jun 27 2005, 01:33 PM
- - Lord Odenetheus   Blergh. I don't see why killing a human is wor...   Jun 27 2005, 12:28 PM
- - ~FMAgurl~   You're just a life aren't you? That doesn...   Jun 27 2005, 01:30 PM
- - Lord Odenetheus   Bah. NO SEXUAL PLEASURE would solve this issue. Ju...   Jun 28 2005, 02:40 AM
- - FMAlover^   I oppose it! Its just a life after all!Whe...   Jun 28 2005, 03:28 AM
|- - «°~Envy™~°»   QUOTE(FMAlover^ @ Jun 28 2005, 02:28 AM)If yo...   Jun 28 2005, 03:47 AM
|- - «°~Envy™~°»   QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Jun 28 2005, 02:50 AM...   Jun 28 2005, 03:53 AM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   QUOTE(NightMistress @ Jun 28 2005, 08:20 PM)Y...   Jun 28 2005, 10:34 PM
|- - NightMistress   QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Jun 29 ...   Jun 28 2005, 10:59 PM
- - Lord Odenetheus   I don't think it would happen, but I think tha...   Jun 28 2005, 04:09 AM
- - «°~Envy™~°»   me for one I'm not a mock christian or a hypoc...   Jun 28 2005, 04:23 AM
|- - zarpia   QUOTE(«°~Envy™~°» @ Jun 28 2005, 06:23 AM)and...   Jun 28 2005, 07:43 PM
- - WhiteMike   Some people on this thread are not seeing the whol...   Jun 28 2005, 06:10 AM
|- - «°~Envy™~°»   WhiteMike to your first part about the rapist sit...   Jun 28 2005, 09:53 AM
- - phoenix alchemist   But doesn't that all go back to the point that...   Jun 28 2005, 10:06 AM
- - WhiteMike   QUOTEto your first part about the rapist situation...   Jun 28 2005, 11:53 AM
- - What, no bacon?   It's not alive until it can live outside the w...   Jun 28 2005, 12:18 PM
- - Lord Odenetheus   I'm vegetarian... I eat seafood, though not th...   Jun 28 2005, 01:47 PM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   QUOTE(Lord Odenetheus @ Jun 28 2005, 01:47 PM...   Jun 28 2005, 02:09 PM
- - Lord Odenetheus   You mention that not all those who wih abortion ha...   Jun 29 2005, 12:29 AM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   @NightMistress: Thanks! I'm glad you like...   Jun 29 2005, 03:11 PM
- - le monkey   Depends really..   Jun 29 2005, 07:05 AM
- - JudasPriest1   I support abortion what a woman does with her body...   Jun 29 2005, 02:27 PM
- - the sellout   See, although it goes against my religion, I belie...   Jun 29 2005, 03:25 PM
- - Hughes_ImissYou   Hm, I am aginest it, they had unsafe sex to get p...   Jun 29 2005, 05:00 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Hughes_ImissYou @ Jun 30 2005, 12:00 AM...   Jun 29 2005, 06:08 PM
|- - WhiteMike   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Jun 29 2005, 08:08 PM...   Jun 29 2005, 07:49 PM
- - Tamago   I say that if I got knocked up, I wouldent a want ...   Jun 29 2005, 05:37 PM
- - Ed#1Fan2.0   hhmmm well i think it depends on the situation.if ...   Jun 29 2005, 09:30 PM
- - DameGreyWulf   I voted depends Quotes from smart people I know: ...   Jul 29 2005, 06:05 PM
- - Shizuka85   I am against abortion. I believe it is murder.   Aug 21 2005, 10:38 AM
- - MiyokoChan   Argh, did someone really start this topic? *Has ha...   Aug 22 2005, 11:10 AM
- - fullmetal_4eva   depend on situation im like 99.9% against it Situ...   Aug 22 2005, 01:05 PM
- - What, no bacon?   I'm willing to bet a good 25% of the kids in t...   Aug 22 2005, 01:09 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Sadly, that's true. Too many people having k...   Aug 22 2005, 01:26 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Aug 22 ...   Aug 22 2005, 01:33 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Anywhere that people have been grossly mislead to ...   Aug 22 2005, 01:37 PM
- - What, no bacon?   Well, it's not like that entire continent isn...   Aug 22 2005, 01:51 PM
- - My Alchemist Romance   Woah, What, no bacon? sign me an autograph.   Aug 22 2005, 02:08 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(My Alchemist Romance @ Aug 22 2005, 04:...   Aug 22 2005, 02:10 PM
- - My Alchemist Romance   Nevermiiind... *whistles*   Aug 22 2005, 02:19 PM
- - What, no bacon?   m'kay...   Aug 22 2005, 02:30 PM
- - Art of Misconception   I think it depends. If it was in a situation wher...   Aug 22 2005, 09:04 PM
- - zombie   what is the point in having a kid thats not loved?   Aug 22 2005, 09:16 PM
- - What, no bacon?   This should interest some of you   Aug 23 2005, 04:53 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Interesting but not suprising. I read an article ...   Aug 23 2005, 05:01 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Aug 23 ...   Aug 24 2005, 02:26 PM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Aug 24 2005, 01:26 PM...   Aug 24 2005, 02:33 PM
- - Squirrel of Doom   What a woman does with her own body is her own dec...   Aug 24 2005, 02:23 PM
- - What, no bacon?   Yup. It's as George Carlin said, "With th...   Aug 24 2005, 02:34 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Yes, exactly. All these children being bounced ar...   Aug 24 2005, 02:37 PM
|- - arche   QUOTE(Envy's lil' miniskirt @ Aug 24 ...   Sep 4 2005, 06:17 PM
|- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   QUOTE(arche @ Sep 4 2005, 05:17 PM)I realize ...   Sep 6 2005, 12:19 PM
- - elalquimistafilosofal   i dont support the abort because this is a live a ...   Sep 4 2005, 06:15 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(elalquimistafilosofal @ Sep 4 2005, 08:...   Sep 4 2005, 08:00 PM
|- - zarpia   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Sep 4 2005, 10:00 PM)...   Sep 4 2005, 08:03 PM
- - What, no bacon?   ...yah...   Sep 4 2005, 08:38 PM
- - arche   A baby is fragile also even after being born. It...   Sep 6 2005, 07:17 PM
- - Sakura Briefs   I'm so Pro-life that it isn't even an issu...   Oct 28 2005, 03:03 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Sakura Briefs @ Oct 28 2005, 06:03 ...   Oct 28 2005, 05:15 PM
- - Sakura Briefs   I know... *already took three higher level version...   Nov 2 2005, 05:34 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Sakura Briefs @ Nov 2 2005, 07:34 P...   Nov 2 2005, 07:34 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   Or, they could end up as the next Jeffery Dahmer o...   Nov 2 2005, 05:43 PM
- - Sakura Briefs   I was require to watch the abortion videos for a s...   Nov 3 2005, 05:19 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Sakura Briefs @ Nov 3 2005, 07:19 P...   Nov 3 2005, 05:34 PM
- - Envy's lil' miniskirt   There are many unwanted children being bounced aro...   Nov 3 2005, 05:36 PM
- - Heartless_Soldier   Try imagine your self with out a life. Imagine you...   Nov 8 2005, 09:42 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Heartless_Soldier @ Nov 8 2005, 11...   Nov 8 2005, 09:44 PM
- - FallemSummoner   I'm going to say what I always say: Abortion ...   Nov 8 2005, 10:01 PM
- - What, no bacon?   see new sig   Nov 27 2005, 06:01 PM
- - StrawberryShampoo   I think that abortion should be legal because that...   Nov 27 2005, 06:14 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(StrawberryShampoo @ Nov 27 2005, 07...   Nov 27 2005, 06:16 PM
- - StrawberryShampoo   QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Nov 27 2005, 08:0...   Nov 27 2005, 06:26 PM
- - staystill   i think its wrong but if you get rapped, i guess y...   Nov 27 2005, 06:28 PM
- - japaneseobesession   no way!! If the people actually took the ...   Nov 27 2005, 08:24 PM
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