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Vol. 1 (English, North America Version, Chapters 1, 2, 3, 4) From Viz, Gold watch??? Ishbal or Ishval? (Out in the U.S. on May 3, 2005.)
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post May 11 2005, 04:25 PM
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interesting point i always bthought i would catch up but that is just me i was concentrateing too much on it being full metal alchemist to see when or how ofter it came out


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post May 11 2005, 05:11 PM
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Yay! Just got mine! *grin*

For the comment on the "gold" watch instead of "silver" watch, one of the scanlations I have (maybe Toriyama World? I don't have it marked, but the surrounding chapters I have were from there) translated it as gold as well.

Personally I think silver, like the anime version, looks better than a gold watch, but isn't gold more traditional for pocket watches?

So how do people feel about the overall translation? I have only read fan translated versions, so I don't know how true Viz came to the Japanese version.
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post May 11 2005, 06:32 PM
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It's impossible for Viz to be printing the latest volumes/chapters at the same time as Japan because:

1. Volumes are made of chapters which comes out one chapter per month in Gangan. So no latest chapter in English every month. Viz doesn't print out a chapter at a time.

2. Volumes take time to compile and clean up and edit. Why do you think the books come out some months after the chapters?

3. It takes time for Viz to translate, set up the printing presses, do quality checks, then print the books. That will take some time, so it is not likely they will be at the same time as the Japanese releases.

The best anyone can hope for is a 1 month interval between the Japanese release with the English one, provided Viz can come up to Vol 10 before Japanese Vol 11 comes out.
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post May 11 2005, 07:01 PM
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yeah i guess and this would indeed be really good ^^" *always happy anyway cuz the french are so late for fma so sleep.gif" lol ^^*


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post May 11 2005, 07:01 PM
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post May 13 2005, 05:51 PM
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I never said current release of volumes....

Once Viz caught up, they presumably could put a monthly chapter into their monthly magazine... And if they time it right, they could do a mid-month release, instead of a beginning of the month release ('cause that's when FMA comes out, so they'd get like 2 weeks for clean up and translations), and then we'd be able to get current manga in the US (with a slight delay, but I doubt people'll complain, considering...).

After all, the present manga that gets translated for the US market are already way down the road with tons of chapters. FMA doesn't have as many chapters, so in a sense, it's got the best chance to catch up and be current. (Plus, it's really good--so you've got a definite market for it regardless.)

I can't imagine that Viz would have a seriously hard time upping the time table for a chapter translation if they're on good terms with Gangan. And people online can translate these chapters in pretty good time. People who get paid to translate and clean-up should be able to do it better and faster. (Though, I'll admit, FMA is a bit more complicated per chapter (even factoring in for length) than most other manga I've seen--there are more slides per page, with heavy side notes for characters (the little comments that are put in that are just so great!).)

Maybe it's all just wishful thinking.


I don't really mind gold or silver, just as long as it's consistent. But, considering it's alchemy, it'd make more sense for it to be gold (alchemy's got all the tales of changing lead into gold). But silver does look better for on the television screen, I'm betting. Animes tend to change some details here and there from the manga. (Like Naruto's normal chakra is called yellow in the manga when he's describing it, but in the anime it's blue.) And silver tarnishes, so it wouldn't last too well in the hustle and bustle of State Alchemists' lives. Imagine trying to polish and clean your silver watch after you spilled blood on it in the battlefield. You wouldn't need to if it were gold. (And yes, in the earlier scanlations I also remember it being gold.)

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post May 15 2005, 12:54 PM
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lol thanxs for all the informations ^^

(yeah u should prolly register ^^)


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post May 15 2005, 07:06 PM
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The watch is silver, by the way. I ranted about it a while ago here. ^^;;


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post May 15 2005, 08:46 PM
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Silver it is then....

I wonder what they were thinking when they were translating it? (Viz or Toriyama)

Or perhaps it is related to the underpinnings of the word itself? Suffice it to say, we know it's a distinctive watch of some sort of precious metal.... And that translations should be accurate and consistent, but without losing the gist behind it all.


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post May 15 2005, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Guest @ May 15 2005, 11:46 PM)
Silver it is then....

I wonder what they were thinking when they were translating it?  (Viz or Toriyama)

Or perhaps it is related to the underpinnings of the word itself?  Suffice it to say, we know it's a distinctive watch of some sort of precious metal....  And that translations should be accurate and consistent, but without losing the gist behind it all.


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I don't know WHAT they were thinking. Granted, the Japanese words for "gold" and "silver" are very similar ("kin" and "gin," respectively), but the kanji look pretty different and... I just don't get it. >.>


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post Oct 31 2005, 01:39 PM
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~ Ishval Or Ishbal? ~

First VIZ's spelling of Ishval was "Ishvar," then in volume 4 they suddenly conform with the dub and use "Ishbal."
That's very unprofessional mad.gif
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Ehh, does this need a whole topic to be discussed? mellow.gif


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post Oct 31 2005, 03:35 PM
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Actually, they didn't. It can be either Ishvar or Ishbal.

V sounds like B in Japanese because the Japanese can not say the letter V properly, so it ends up as B.

Constinants (besides the letter/sound of N) in Japanese are at their mercy. Really, they are.


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post Oct 31 2005, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Ladymercury @ Oct 31 2005, 03:35 PM) [snapback]307319[/snapback]

Actually, they didn't. It can be either Ishvar or Ishbal.

V sounds like B in Japanese because the Japanese can not say the letter V properly, so it ends up as B.

Constinants (besides the letter/sound of N) in Japanese are at their mercy. Really, they are.


I think the point was that they're being inconsistant with how they chose to spell it...


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i really don't apperciate the job they did in the manga.they changed the entire line of events completely.
Example, Volume 1 hughs was not on the train.and what not.
Just goes to show you what happens when they relese they anime first (they did that with the wolf's rain manga too mad.gif



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