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Plot Holes, Continuity Problems, And Other Flows You Noticed On Fma-1, Spoiler Alert!!
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post Feb 2 2007, 11:32 PM
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I just noticed something that's well not odd,
but interesting. Edward's black jacket changes
as the series progresses.

I hadn't even noticed till I browsed the internet
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Did you all find any sort of oddities in the anime?


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post Feb 3 2007, 09:20 AM
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There are many oddities in Ed's apparel...

When he first left Risembool to persue the National Alchemist Test after burning his own house, the jacket's zipper is huge... that makes him looked cute...

When he is 12, the jacket he was wearing bears a zipper, as seen in the Barry the Chopper episode... and the jacket is longer, so basically it covers his brown belt he wore....

It is noticeable Ed grown taller when his jacket is becoming shorter and revealed his belt... making the end seem to be "floating"... At 15, sometimes he uses a metal buckler and sometimes he used nothing to bond the jacket together...

When he is 16... mostly in all episodes he doesn't wear his red long jacket...

He travelled around with a briefcase, perhaps in it, the case contains two different sets of apparel...There is one episode that caught a glimpse of what is inside Ed's bags apart from notebooks and pens... [spoiler] but he can make clean clothes by simply clapping his hands together as seen in Episode 10 [/spoiler]...right???
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post Feb 3 2007, 10:46 AM
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I can remember finding out about the things that Ed sees in the gate.. if he got shown the future, doesn't that mean he'd know about what would happen in later events? O.o`

Okay.... a few things that I noticed ( that mainly have something to do with Shou and Nina)

First of all, the thing about Nina's picture.. after looking at the comparisons between the picture she did for Edward and the picture she did for her Mum.

I was just wondering why the dog is a different shade of brown?
( In the picture to Ed, Alexander is a much lighter shade than the dog we see in the picture to Nina's mum)

I still don't think that's Alexander though.. it's probably the original family dog ( Alexander's mother?)
It's actually quite sweet that Nina is near her father though.. possibly a hint to an alternative future for her?

Secondly, on the night that Shou does the transmutation.. in that scene in the darkened dining room.
When he goes to hug Nina ( as he get's up from the chair) watch his expression.. it clearly faulters, as if he's trying not to cry.. and he does it again when he does hug her.

In episode 21, when Edward pulls back that curtain to reveal the ' Nina's ' in different suspension tanks, there's one that resembles the Nina/Alexander chimera.
Here's a screenshot,


And in episode 22.. when Tucker is talking to Ed about how the Homunculi are going to provide him with the secrets of making a Homunculous.
It has that close up of half chimera Nina.. erm.. is it just me, or is she *smiling* at Ed?! O.o


And when Shou's holding Nina's 'now human' body in episode 46, you can hear him sobbing.

There was *one* thing that always creeped me out about the newly brought back Nina though ( and it's not the fact that her eyes are like a porcelain dolls..) it's just that you know that at the end of 46, when Al is sobbing about what's happening to him.

Shou has knelt down on the ground, with his hands on the tank as he looks to Nina, she's sitting down in the tank.

When Sloth is attempting to drown Shou, you see 'Nina' floating in the tank.. now it's normal for a dead person to float.. but they don't float upright! O.o;
..I still wonder why it has that close-up of her.. :: shudders::


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post Mar 15 2007, 06:19 PM
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OK, once again, I freely admit to being relatively new, and maybe this one is obvious or I am missing something, or has already been discussed to death (I did search for a thread on it and couldn't find one... ) In re-viewing the first 8 episodes recently I noticed a couple of times in the first four where Ed is referred to as the "Fullmetal Alchemist" - once when he introduces himself to Rose, and once when he meets Father Cornello... But then he gets the name given to him in ep.8 by Fuhrer after he passes the Alchemy exam and acts like he's never heard it before and he likes the sound of it. Hmmm.

Is this a continuity error, or am I missing something??? Did they do this differently in the manga? - I haven't gotten to the manga yet, I'm still on the novels (I'm broke and they last longer! happy.gif )

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post Mar 15 2007, 06:30 PM
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Episodes 3 -9 take place in the past and shows how Ed became a state Alchemist.
Episodes 1&2 were setting up the plot.


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post Mar 15 2007, 06:44 PM
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Hmmm...I have another little flaw of sorts in the series (not sure if it counts as a narrative flaw or not tho...), that hasn't been mentioned yet, but has had me wondering for a while now.

It involves episode 50 and Envy.

[spoiler]Okay, so Envy transforms into his 'true form' while wrestling with Edward, and it freaks the hell out of Edward because he looks like Hohenheim, implying he is Hohenheim's son. And we discover he is the homunculus created by Hoho when he tried to bring back his and Dante's son.

Okie dokie, well here's the problem. Envy is at least 100 years old right? (He's most probably around 400. At least I think I read somewhere he was...) But uh...Hoho's been body hopping. He wouldn't have had the same body he has now when he created Envy, therefore, Envy's 'true form' shouldn't look like Hoho's curent body at all.[/spoiler]

So, am I the only one who noticed that?

Personally I think that [spoiler]it wasn't really Envy's true form in the first place and he just assumed it to freak Edward out[/spoiler] but that's really only speculation. What does everyone else think?


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post Mar 15 2007, 07:14 PM
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What does everyone else think?

It's been pointed out before.
I'm thinking it's a plot hole but never underestimate the power of coincidence. Maybe the current Papa Hoho is a perfect doppleganger of the one that was Envy's genetic daddy.
Perhaps Hoho's method of body snatching is different from Dantes and his victims body snatching change to his original form.


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post Mar 15 2007, 07:21 PM
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@Fullmetalfemme- Episodes 3-9 are all flashback, expanding on the Elrics' Life Story as Alphonse narrates it to Rose.

Episodes 1-2 are at the 'true storyline start', where Ed is 15, and then 3-9 cover him age 4-12, getting his title and then his first mission, and then skip two years (we assume that it's a lot of uneventful filler traveling) to hop right back up to the current spot in time to continue with episode 10, where the brothers are still 15 and 14.


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post Mar 15 2007, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(Fushigi Rockna @ Mar 15 2007, 08:44 PM) [snapback]518144[/snapback]
Hmmm...I have another little flaw of sorts in the series (not sure if it counts as a narrative flaw or not tho...), that hasn't been mentioned yet, but has had me wondering for a while now.

It involves episode 50 and Envy.

[spoiler]Okay, so Envy transforms into his 'true form' while wrestling with Edward, and it freaks the hell out of Edward because he looks like Hohenheim, implying he is Hohenheim's son. And we discover he is the homunculus created by Hoho when he tried to bring back his and Dante's son.

Okie dokie, well here's the problem. Envy is at least 100 years old right? (He's most probably around 400. At least I think I read somewhere he was...) But uh...Hoho's been body hopping. He wouldn't have had the same body he has now when he created Envy, therefore, Envy's 'true form' shouldn't look like Hoho's curent body at all.[/spoiler]

So, am I the only one who noticed that?

Personally I think that [spoiler]it wasn't really Envy's true form in the first place and he just assumed it to freak Edward out[/spoiler] but that's really only speculation. What does everyone else think?


I believe that envy said somewhere in one of the episodes (I'm dissappointed in myself because I can usually quote the episode) that he does not remember his true form.
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post Mar 16 2007, 02:25 PM
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From Toby-Chan: "Episodes 3-9 are all flashback, expanding on the Elrics' Life Story as Alphonse narrates it to Rose. Episodes 1-2 are at the 'true storyline start', where Ed is 15, and then 3-9 cover him age 4-12, getting his title and then his first mission, and then skip two years (we assume that it's a lot of uneventful filler traveling) to hop right back up to the current spot in time to continue with episode 10, where the brothers are still 15 and 14. "

Thank you for resolving my question Toby-Chan -- a bouquet of Roses to you happy.gif for clarifying this for me!~ ~ I guess there were captions of the time segues in there that I must have missed. I just must get those new glasses!! cool.gif -- it's so hard when you are half-blind like I am! Next I'll be needing a dog! (Can you use a weiner dog for a guide dog?...)


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post Mar 16 2007, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(Popo)
It's been pointed out before.
I'm thinking it's a plot hole but never underestimate the power of coincidence. Maybe the current Papa Hoho is a perfect doppleganger of the one that was Envy's genetic daddy.
Perhaps Hoho's method of body snatching is different from Dantes and his victims body snatching change to his original form.

Oh, so it has been mentioned already. :x Sorry.
Yeah, I'm inclined to believe it was a plot hole too. But it's always nice to try and place a theory behind it in fanfiction and stuff (I've tried to explain it recently in a fic myself). The ones you listed are quite possible too. o:

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I believe that envy said somewhere in one of the episodes (I'm dissappointed in myself because I can usually quote the episode) that he does not remember his true form.

Yes, that was in episode 14 I believe. (Lust: "That form again? You really like that one don't you?" Envy: "I don't remember my original form after all" or something along those lines.) Which just makes the 'true form' in ep 50 more suspcious and looking like a plot hole. (and I tried to give an explanation for that in the aforementioned fanfic as well)
Although also at that time in the series, the anime was still following the manga relatively well, and that scene happened in the manga at I think...vol 2. So it's very possible BONES completely forgot that detail too when the end of the anime came near.


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post Mar 23 2007, 07:30 PM
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did anyone notice that in episode 44 when Ed punches
Hoenhiem in the face he uses his automail arm, and
has a large gash due to that.




HOWEVER: when Al comes up and talks to him that gash is gone.
How? I mean that would have been bad, especially with his body
in it's current condition.




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when ed & barry the chopper were duking it out in ep 8 and ed reattaches his arm and does alchemy, you can see that his hand is a bit crooked, and i was just like, "now that's attention to detail!"



huh, that's weird if it was crooked, then that means the nerves
weren't connected (I mean he did just shove it back in!) then
how was he able to tranmute a blade? in episode nine,
Winry says "who fixed up your arm?" which means she had
reattached the arm properly.


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post Apr 25 2007, 08:57 AM
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First time posting... Am a bit shy. Sorry.

But you know the thing where Ed turns Sloth into ethyl alcohol, and Wrath comes out all burned-looking? Well, you don't get burned handling ethyl alchohol. I've tried, and I've even tasted it.

Also there was this thing with Envy, when he was posing as Cornello, he was able to bring the birds 'back to life' for a little bit, even though homunculi don't have any alchemic powers. How did he manage to do that? I don't know, maybe he had help from the Philosopher's Stone or something, but even then, it shouldn't happen.


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QUOTE(astronobish @ Apr 25 2007, 06:57 PM) [snapback]535363[/snapback]
First time posting... Am a bit shy. Sorry.

But you know the thing where Ed turns Sloth into ethyl alcohol, and Wrath comes out all burned-looking? Well, you don't get burned handling ethyl alchohol. I've tried, and I've even tasted it.

Also there was this thing with Envy, when he was posing as Cornello, he was able to bring the birds 'back to life' for a little bit, even though homunculi don't have any alchemic powers. How did he manage to do that? I don't know, maybe he had help from the Philosopher's Stone or something, but even then, it shouldn't happen.


To the first part of your post, it was ethanol. (I REALLY don't have a clue what it is... I just know it disappears when in touch with air biggrin.gif)

To the second part: people have speculated that Envy can "take parts of his body and transform them". That is how some people have been trying to explain that bird-trick. I myself don't have anuthing to say, my theory is as plausible as any other's.



I always find it disturbing when in episode 9 Ed, Al and Winry are shopping and Ed looks away, his face looks weird >.< I know it is probably just something funny that happened while drawing and/or animating to make his profile look weird.


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QUOTE(Twilight Warrior Alchemist @ Mar 23 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]521171[/snapback]
did anyone notice that in episode 44 when Ed punches
Hoenhiem in the face he uses his automail arm, and
has a large gash due to that.

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HOWEVER: when Al comes up and talks to him that gash is gone.
How? I mean that would have been bad, especially with his body
in it's current condition.

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Welcome to the world of cartoon physics and tight anime budgets, kiddo.

Seriously though, I'd imagine it'd be a pain to constantly draw in a gash everytime you saw him afterwards. Sure, Ed had that swollen cheek after fighting Russel there early in the series, this was the first time we, the audiance, ever got to really know Hoho-papa [the episode before was a "prelim", if you would], and a gash in the face would just detract from that.

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