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Do You Hate Dubbing?, How many anime elitists are out there?
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post Apr 17 2005, 01:37 PM
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Elitists? What elitists?
When was the last time you talked about how an actor will break or make a movie? Is it any different with voice-actors?

In fact, I hate most anime fans because they have the dumb fascination with the Japanese and decidedly lose all sense of taste just because it was made by the Japanese. Get over your dumb-selves and realize that "Samurai 7" sucks balls in every way shape-and-form despite all the money that was spent on it. Just because it's anime doesn't necessarily mean that I consider any better than watching "Dr. Phil" or "the OC".

That still doesn't change the fact that I greatly prefer subs to dubs.
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post Apr 17 2005, 02:29 PM
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Amen!!, yes i agree with you in some parts, i prefer some anime in jap, but not all, and i don't love anime more that my tv series.


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post Apr 18 2005, 10:45 AM
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I don't mind dubbing, unless it's a very horrible dubbing where they use voices that don't match the characters, and they throw is cheesy jokes that weren't there originally. But if the anime takes place in Japan, I always will watch it subtitled because it makes more sense for them to be speaking in Japanese than English.


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post Apr 18 2005, 01:13 PM
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There's the good sides and bad sides of dubbing in my opinion. The good is if the show's on TV it introduces the anime the the public. If they're hardcore anime fans and seem to think the dubs interesting they'll go out searching for subs of the show or will buy the subbed DVD's of the show. This is the case for me. I saw FMA on Adult Swim. Thought it to be interesting and then decided to watch the subbed version. The bad side is obvious. The voices usually tend to not fit the character...I believe the Japanese voice-actors put in personslity and emotion into their character that no English voice-actor can try to do. And it gets quite annoying when they cut out the tiniest of scenes when sometimes they are important to the plot. All in all, to me dubs are ok. If I buy a DVD with both the English and Japanese track I tend not to listen to it in English though. I just switch it to Japanese with the subbs...the way it is suppose to be watched. happy.gif


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post Apr 18 2005, 05:53 PM
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Thank god I'm not the only one. I was only able to sit through two or three dubbed episodes of FMA before I started wanting to scream and throw things at the tv everytime Al spoke. AAARGH!!

It is true though that you do become attached to the original voices, and anything else is just wrong. But they should have done a much better job than they did. I haven't even tried watching the dubs for most other shows. It does also seem to be true that the American voices don't put as much....'soul' maybe?...into the voices as the Japanese ones. I mean, you really believed that that was Ed talking, not an actor.


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post Apr 18 2005, 11:18 PM
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Even VG Cats made a comic on dubbing . . . well, anime licensing, to be more exact.

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post Apr 19 2005, 12:08 PM
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Heh...that one was a good one.
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post Apr 19 2005, 01:04 PM
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Wow, haven't checked this thread in awhile... blink.gif

QUOTE(zarpia @ Apr 10 2005, 08:12 PM)
I have to said that after i watch FMA in japanese i stop likeing it Englis, except for Ed and Al voices, i like some anime better in spanish and some in english there not that bad.
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I think Ed and Al's voice are better in Japanese, but at least Al's VA is actually a boy close to the character's age in the dub and I just love Ed's english VA as a VA anyway.


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Final Thought: Best American Dub Ever=DBZ tongue.gif


Really? I thought alot of their voices sucked.

QUOTE(Dreakon @ Apr 16 2005, 05:28 PM)
Eliteists are pathetic.  You don't have to watch the dub, so you have no right to complain about them.  I will admit a lot of dubs are horrible, but some of you just pick at absolutely everything in dubs like its your job...
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Some do, and I hate them too, but I at least will respect their opinion as long as they respect mine.

QUOTE(Dreakon @ Apr 17 2005, 03:13 PM)
Lol, maybe I am overreacting.  I still hate elitists... wink.gif
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You can hate 'em all you want, but don't let your emotions get in the way of making valid points.

I think it's good sometimes that they make "Americanize" the dialogue on shows, it makes it a little more normal sounding and easier to relate to for American fans. But also, since they are changing the dialogue, you're losing something too. So I recommend American fans especially to watch both dub AND sub.

My final thoughts on dubbing is that some can be just plain crappy and can make you want to cringe, some can be bearable, and some can be really good. It's up to you if you want to disown everything and say it's bad before you've heard it, that's your opinion and your decision if you want to do so.


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QUOTE(Celestial Fangirl @ Apr 19 2005, 03:04 PM)
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Really? I thought alot of their voices sucked.


O.O I can't believe someone took that comment seriously laugh.gif

I don't think american anime corporations are as concerned with voice actors as the japanese are because anime is much bigger in japan than it is here. So of course the voice actors won't be as good. And yes, the voice acting in DBZ sucked.


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At first I didn't take it seriously but I was a little confused if people were being serious when they started agreeing...


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post Apr 19 2005, 08:50 PM
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the dubbing of ren/len s voice just pisses me off I mean HE IS CHIENESE FOR RA'S SAKE!and they had a brittish dubbing rather inexputable.dang it now I am useing it WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMMING TO!!!???!?!


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QUOTE(Quistis88 @ Apr 19 2005, 06:18 AM)
Even VG Cats made a comic on dubbing . . . well, anime licensing, to be more exact.

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This an unfair generalization to me.

I don't see the stigma with English dubbing for anime. Companies seem to put a lot more time and effort into them nowadays, quality has certainly improved over the last decade. Plus, American licensing has given us such a wide variety and selection of anime to choose from. And you can find it just about every where now, it didn't used to be that way.

Quistis88, I think you fail to realize that the real people to blame about the butchering of the material the Japanese production companies. Know why? Because they are the ones that sell the licensing rights, as well as approve the edits and the voice actors. They do. So they at least deserve part of the blame shameful cases such as the one depicted in that comic strip.

As for Naruto, at least it will be released uncut and unedited on DVD. And they aren't going to change the names either.


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QUOTE(TheVileOne @ Apr 20 2005, 02:27 AM)
Quistis88, I think you fail to realize that the real people to blame about the butchering of the material the Japanese production companies.  Know why?  Because they are the ones that sell the licensing rights, as well as approve the edits and the voice actors.  They do.  So they at least deserve part of the blame shameful cases such as the on depicted in that comic strip.

I know they do, but if whatever we the public end up seeing as the finished product is the best America can offer, then the Japanese production companies who sell the rights have no choice but to approve if they still wish to sell.


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QUOTE(mustangs_grl25 @ Apr 19 2005, 07:50 PM)
the dubbing of ren/len s voice just pisses me off I mean HE IS CHIENESE FOR RA'S SAKE!and they had a brittish dubbing rather inexputable.dang it now I am useing it WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMMING TO!!!???!?!
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Ren not, Len and for sure not LENNY. I have to say he is one of the worst dubbed voice ever.


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