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TheVileOne
post Apr 9 2005, 02:37 PM
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Here's the discussion thread for tonight's episode of Fullmetal Alchemist as we get nearer and nearer to the season finale. Apparently Ed can possibly transmute a genuine Philosopher's Stone according to Tucker using a large amount of red water. But didn't Ed and Al figure out that the key ingredient to the real thing is live human beings? Suspicious... wink.gif wink.gif wink.gif . Plus the homunculus are on the scene.


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post Apr 9 2005, 09:00 PM
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Tonights ep. was sooooo cool!!! One thing I didn't get though ehy didn't Ed say if they hurt his little brother that he wouldn't make the stone. In that situation Ed has the most power.
Really cool when Ed went berserk. He made the really cool spear that looked really simiar to Musica's in Rave Master. Greed looked really cool can't wait for next weeks ep. *starts twitching with excitement*


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post Apr 9 2005, 09:09 PM
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I wonder if the water made Ed's alchemy more powerful. It was kick ass, but Envy attacked Ed when he was tired, major blood loss, and with a broken arm that bastard. I would like to see the next episode I wnat to see the milk fight biggrin.gif


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post Apr 9 2005, 09:29 PM
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I wonder if the water made Ed's alchemy more powerful. It was kick ass, but Envy attacked Ed when he was tired, major blood loss, and with a broken arm that bastard. I would like to see the next episode I wnat to see the milk fight


Yeah, i liked that whater-alchemi scene too, and waiting to see the milk fight to, i hope is as good as the japanese one coz the voices are funnier in japanese.


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post Apr 9 2005, 09:41 PM
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Well where's what I get...

1. Tucker has offically sold his soul to the devil in the black dress for the knowledge of "Homocunli creation". Plus he he had a alternate plan to getting Nina back: If he can't retrieve Nina's soul...He'll make a soul identical to it with the memories of his daughter as the basis.

Tucker gone "Asimov" logical here, with a genetic version of the "Ghost" theory.
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2. Scar has offically gain respect for Edward Elric, too bad the feeling not's mutal.
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3. With the exception of Gluttony, Lust's posse made a decent escape.
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4. We get to see Martel, Dolcetto, & Roa in a cameo when Kimblee joined the "Devil's Nest" team.
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5. Barry will be back!...For one final anime appearence.
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6. As for Envy, his reason for hating the Elrics will be revealed in the long run, as he the most major of the main baddies.
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post Apr 9 2005, 10:06 PM
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Well you can't *make* a soul.

Gluttony didn't escape? I wonder who that big fat guy in the military uniform walking with the disguised Lust and Envy was then. Unless you mean that Lust and Envy were inconspicuous while Gluttony clearly wasn't smile.gif .


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post Apr 10 2005, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(TheVileOne @ Apr 10 2005, 01:06 AM)
Well you can't *make* a soul. 

Gluttony didn't escape?  I wonder who that big fat guy in the military uniform walking with the disguised Lust and Envy was then.  Unless you mean that Lust and Envy were inconspicuous while Gluttony clearly wasn't smile.gif .
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That had to be the most retarted thing on this show so far. I started to laugh when I saw Gluttony just walk past the guards like that.
About Shou giving Nina's memories to a homunculi, even though it would have all those memories I doubt that it would ever love Tucker like the real Nina did. The real Nina even seemed to love him after he turned her into a beast.
Oh yeah, I was scared to death for Al right after Ed decided not to cooperate with Lust's plan.


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post Apr 10 2005, 12:18 AM
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Bahahaha! I've already seen it all!

Don't worry though, Samurai Champloo is a great series for anyone who loved Cowboy Bebop. Pleasant animation, fluid action, plenty of humor in some eps. but they don't reveal main characters' backplots until very late in the series. Hah, I just saw the baseball episode for that...

Also, the red stuff isn't red water, it's Marco's incomplete stone. It too, is made of people, so one is as good as the other for the final transmutation.

The homunculi aren't risking as much as Ed is, they can get another alchemist if they need to, even if it takes a while.

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS* IF YOU'VE SEEN ALL POSSIBLE EPS UP TO THIS POINT YOU'RE OKAY
I won't spoil anything, but here's a hint about the homunculi to whet the appetite: note how Scar recognizes Lust. There is a reason for that; remember that Scar's brother was an alchemist and of Ed and Al's failed resurrection attempt. I think you can put 2 and 2 together. If your mind screams "four!", you can also figure who might potentially show up later on in the series.
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You'll also get to meet the Alphonse brothers' alchemic mentor next season, another compelling character that adds a lot to the series.

Also the Crimson Alchemist has shown up. He's a delightfully homicidal addition to ruthless military strife, Scar and freakish super-science.
"Hmm...I'm low on sulfur..."

An imitation Nina is just as good as the original, at least with respect to Tucker, if not to anybody else. But quite frankly, he's lost touch with reality and can no longer really create an effective imitation by allowing her to establish normal connections in society. I mean how normal a childhood can you have when your "dad" is a mad alchemist and you're both chimeras?

This is how souls are imitated; look under "Philosophy of Ghost in the Shell" and you'll get what FMA is trying to say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_shell
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post Apr 10 2005, 02:46 AM
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As for Envy, his reason for hating the Elrics will be revealed in the long run, as he the most major of the main baddies.


Well, obviously Hohenheim did something to really piss off Envy... You can tell by the specific wording that Envy uses while beating on Ed


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post Apr 10 2005, 06:16 AM
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This is the first time i have posted on here. I dont have a username but i have been reading every post. and i just wanted to say i enjoyed this ep. i have seen every showing on CN and purchased both DVD's. But back on topic, i really did enjoy this ep. and i hope every one else did biggrin.gif
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That is the best woman dubbing as a man I've ever heard....Envy sounds great! I love it.
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post Apr 10 2005, 07:22 AM
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Guest meant that Gluttony wasent conspicous lol. What am I going to do without FMA? I am hooked damn the japanese I will kill them all! ALl my friends go WTF is Full MEtal Alchemist you nerd, so I guess I wont be called nerd while it is off the air. One month later *Huddles in fedal position* I cant make it without FMA.


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post Apr 10 2005, 08:04 AM
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Well, for one thing, if Fullmetal is really getting replaced with Champloo, I may just DIE. When is season two coming out?! And it really ends at ep 26?! *I AM GONNA DIE*

Anyway, in ref. to Episode 22, I have a theory.

You know how Envy got so pissed and beat on Ed so bad? He said, "I'll always hate you; your blood runs through his veins"

I have a theory, but I'm not sure if it's a spoiler (just in case)

[spoiler]Do you figure that Ed's father could have possibly helped or fully created a homunculi? That was the only conclusion I could draw [/spoiler]

I wanted to kick Envy's friggen ass for hurting Ed! That and Tucker (we had to see that disgusting...) comes creeping out with Chimera-Nina, *to my extreme disdain* (also, does someone have screenshots from that episode? I REALLY want to see those) He wants to make a homunculi of NINA?! Ed was completely right, that's still never gonna be the REAL Nina.


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post Apr 10 2005, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(ymsg @ Apr 10 2005, 08:04 AM)
Well, for one thing, if Fullmetal is really getting replaced with Champloo, I may just DIE. When is season two coming out?! And it really ends at ep 26?! *I AM GONNA DIE*

Anyway, in ref. to Episode 22, I have a theory.

You know how Envy got so pissed and beat on Ed so bad? He said, "I'll always hate you; your blood runs through his veins"

I have a theory, but I'm not sure if it's a spoiler (just in case)

[spoiler]Do you figure that Ed's father could have possibly helped or fully created a homunculi? That was the only conclusion I could draw [/spoiler]

I wanted to kick Envy's friggen ass for hurting Ed!
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[spoiler] *giggle* wow! You're good. Overall, that's right, but if you knew the details, you'd freak. laugh.gif If only I could send you this picture. But it can be a major spoiler about his dad and the homunculus he created. I'm sure you don't want that. [/spoiler]
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post Apr 10 2005, 08:51 AM
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I'm not nearly as pleased with Envy's dub as I thought I was. He sounds more like a female 60 year old smoker than a teenage boy.

Plus, he sounded a lot less vicious than normal. More of a "Yeah, whatever, I'm pissed," than a "Shut up or I kill you, you lil' bastard!"


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