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The Ultimates...., Meaning?! Possible spoilers!
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post Aug 8 2004, 12:36 PM
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Hi all I've posted a few times but now quite registered till now! or maybe i forgot my login. unsure.gif

Anyway could someone explain me the "Ultimate...." thingy?

Remember when Greed and Envy had a fight at top of a mountain?

Envy said something like this "Hey there Ultimate Shield"
And Greed was about to make a joke about Ultimate somthing but he said that Envy prefered to be called Monster that He didn't knew new (current) jokes

Later on when Greed fights with Ed he saids that he has The Ultimate Shield

Now with relevation that the Fuher is Pride when Martyrl attacks him He saids he has the Ultimate Eye!!!

What could this mean do all Humonculus have an Ultimate somthing?

Maybe Gluttony is Ultimate Tongue or mouth
Lust could be Ultimate Hands (because of her sharp nails)

the other ones I have no idea.

Someone enlighten us!
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BlueRakuen
post Aug 8 2004, 01:35 PM
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if I remember correctly (tell me if I'm wrong) in the manga, Greed called Lust the Ultimate Halbert... or something like that unsure.gif


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post Aug 8 2004, 02:31 PM
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Yeah, he did. Because of her "claws" I think it was.

I guess the "Ultimate......" serves as a title for the Sins like you've got "Fullmetal Alchemist", "Flame Alchemist" etc., etc. as titles for the National Alchemists. Don't know if that's right, though. But that's what I think.


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post Aug 8 2004, 04:13 PM
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The Homunculi seem to have Ultimate so and so titles based on their 1337 homunculus power...
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post Aug 8 2004, 05:15 PM
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Lust's is the Ultimate Spear.


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post Aug 8 2004, 06:02 PM
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Greed - Ultimate Shield
Lust - Ultimate Halberd/Spear (Spear is probably more accurate)
Pride (Anger in the Manga) - Ultimate Eye
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post Aug 8 2004, 06:18 PM
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Sloth: ULTIMATE LIQUEFICATION OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM


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"May be innocent, may be sweet, but not half as nice as rotting meat..." -Blix, Legend

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Mein Glaube an die Liebe
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post Aug 8 2004, 06:48 PM
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The "Ultimate" nonclementure stems from the term Saikyo in the manga which means "The Strongest" or "Most Powerful". The translator at ToriyamaWorld, used Ultimate instead and it sort of stuck to the names.
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post Aug 8 2004, 07:10 PM
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Lust is the Ultimate Halberd. That is her title because her ability is the ability to pierce anything(Lust is explained to be Piercing beauty). They aren't claws, all she can do is pierce things.
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post Aug 8 2004, 07:26 PM
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Alright, it makes a LOT more sense for Lust's power to be translated as Ultimate Spear, because they are more spear-shaped than halberd-shaped


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post Aug 8 2004, 09:52 PM
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In case, you do not realize people.
It is Ultimate Spear not Ultimate halberd.
Halberd is more like long stick, which has more than one sharp end.
I want to see raw version for this manga.
In anime, I do not remember anyone calling Lust ultimate spear.
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post Aug 8 2004, 09:54 PM
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A Spear is used for thrusting, not slashing/cutting. A Halberd has the ability to pierce/cut/slash.

Lust primarily uses piercing attacks. But she also slashes/cuts as well. Hence the use of Halberd is also appropriate.
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post Aug 8 2004, 09:55 PM
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Each of the Sins have an "ultimate" power to make them extra special.
Lust ~ Nails that can pierce through anything
Greed ~ Ultimate shield
Gluttony ~ Mouth/tongue that can eat through anything
Envy ~ Transform into anything
Sloth ~ ....Liquifying I guess. ^^;;
Wrath ~ Can alchemize (possibly) anything
Pride ~ Not too sure either.

These powers probably are enhanced after eating the red stones.
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post Aug 8 2004, 09:55 PM
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I never saw her cutting things more than piercing things.
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post Aug 8 2004, 09:58 PM
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Raw version of manga uses 最強の矛. Search for 矛 will reveal Europeans translate it from Japanese as Halberd.

Asians term it for Polearms, meaning spears, halberds, pikes, lucern hammer-yes it is not a blunt thingee, fauchards, military forks, voulges all fall into this category.
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