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Evolution? Creation?, What do you believe in?
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RemyLeBeau
post Mar 9 2005, 08:29 AM
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I've heard rants and raves about this subject on other forums, so I figured I'd bring the disease here. Please, though:

If you want to argue a point, don't turn this into a flame war. Seriously, just look at philosophy, facts, etc. NOT who has the better insults.

Just to make things clear: I'm for the Creation side of this, and yes I know, there's also an Intelligent Design part arising among scientists. However, I see this as a half-assed attempt to say 'We were created... but not by God.'

I put it in the polls, though, just in case.

So vote, then speak your piece!
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post Mar 12 2005, 10:14 AM
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I have seen no evidence of evelution true, and all that has been found has been a joke (Like the Nebraska man. (A pigs tooth they said came from a missing link, but was later proven to be a hoax.)) or people speaking with an ignorent tounge. (like the guy who found the Coelacanth fossil (A fish that still lives in the Indian ocean it has cartiledge apandages with fins on the end.))
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Again, I point you to the many documented and easily observable cases of bacteria and viruses evolving to develop resistances to vaccines and anti-biotics. Of course, larger organisms take exponentially longer to adapt through mutation, but even the visible differences between races and ethnicities can be explained as natural selection at work.
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Ok, but have they changed into a different spicies yet? No, they havn't.

Find an animal that has ,for the better, gained information and isn't just a mutation
(A cow with legs comeing from its head is not a gain in info it is the re-use of old info.)(If its genetics don't go with its children it isn't a posotive gain in info.)

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Like I said, it takes thousands upon millions of years for any complex organism [i.e. anything that's multicellular] to exhibit mutations drastic enough to be considered a 'new species'. And contrary to what creationists like to believe, evolution doesn't take place for the benefit of species, but for the benefit of specific genes and traits. Every species that survives has genetic traits that are dominant and 'useful', and therefore able to withstand interbreeding. Some traits, because of environmental changes, become obsolete and no longer viable in nature, and the species that carry them eventually mutate or go extinct, depending on what other traits they possess. This explains some of the more curious features of the human anatomy, like the appendix and the vestigial tail.

Again, I understand why people have trouble trusting the idea of evolution, since it's a process that takes place over such a long period. Is there a possibility that some of the precepts of evolution are misstated, or just plain wrong? Yes. Does this lend any credence at all to the idea of Creationism? Emphatically NO.
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Then how come all genetics are going down hill, all people will have brown hair and brown eyes someday (other than the albinos.) That is the complete oposite of evelution, people are loseing genes, not gaining them.
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You clearly didn't understand what I said. Genes get outmoded because they are no longer viable. Blond hair is a recessive trait and is not environmentally sustainable because of its susceptibilities. Albinism will also eventually be outmoded. It shows that nature is cycling out traits that no longer fit into the 'grand scheme of things', so to speak. And the idea that we're only 'losing' genes and not 'gaining' them is also faulty. Mutations may seem to be contractionary, but the fact is that we're always developing new traits [albeit over a protracted time span] to sustain us in nature as a species, because we're such complex organisms. Remember, changes in nature happen very gradually, and as such, changes in human genetic code happen even more gradually, because they're essentially playing catch-up.

I found my copy of the Dawkins book, so I'll be able to pull stuff out of there to support what I'm saying now. Yay!
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But the Albinism will spread, it may even end up with everyone being albino.
The reason brown hair and brown eyes will be is because it cancels the other colors out. but being albino cancels out the brown, so unless all albino people are killed or don't have children it will spread just as brown eyes and hair will.

Tell me a change for the better the human race has taken.


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QUOTE(Username05 @ Mar 12 2005, 05:14 PM)
But the Albinism will spread, it may even end up with everyone being albino.
The reason brown hair and brown eyes will be is because it cancels the other colors out. but being albino cancels out the brown, so unless all albino people are killed or don't have children it will spread just as brown eyes and hair will.

Tell me a change for the better the human race has taken.
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Albinism will spread... wha? Where'd you hear that? Albinos are rarer now than they were 200 years ago, and the chances of an albino child being born, even to an albino parent are very slim. Case-in-point, my dog's father is an albino boxer, but she herself has brindle hair and brown eyes, and none of the other dogs in her litter exhibit any albino traits, either.

I'm not a biologist, or anything, but that's just a bogus assertion that you made.


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- RemyLeBeau   Evolution? Creation?   Mar 9 2005, 08:29 AM
- - Chiyo   I believe in evolution. Facts and figures will alw...   Mar 9 2005, 09:48 AM
- - mistress_aya   Creation, always have, and always will believe in ...   Mar 9 2005, 10:26 AM
- - What, no bacon?   "Evidence of Creationism", eh? This, I...   Mar 9 2005, 12:29 PM
|- - POTOPHREAK   I was about to choose Creation until I saw... ...   Jun 10 2005, 02:19 AM
- - Xithion   I think they meant Jesus or God rather. Because Je...   Mar 9 2005, 01:08 PM
- - Blackwings   I dont know what i belive they all sound gibberish...   Mar 9 2005, 05:16 PM
- - RemyLeBeau   Okay, it's about time I started talking again....   Mar 9 2005, 06:48 PM
- - Quistis88   Spam posts deleted.   Mar 9 2005, 06:52 PM
- - What, no bacon?   I wish I had the energy to debunk the supposed ...   Mar 9 2005, 07:02 PM
|- - definingmind   Yes, I am willing to tell you that I believe that ...   Mar 9 2005, 08:23 PM
- - Falling_Man   How contreversial. Interesting. I'm a creatio...   Mar 9 2005, 07:13 PM
- - Bling_bling_Angel   *covers eyes* Homeboy, you realize the crapstorm ...   Mar 9 2005, 08:37 PM
- - Guest   What really is the point of arguing over this thin...   Mar 9 2005, 09:33 PM
|- - Quistis88   If you're too open-minded, your brains will fa...   Mar 9 2005, 09:36 PM
|- - Falling_Man   QUOTE(Guest @ Mar 9 2005, 11:33 PM)What reall...   Mar 10 2005, 07:12 PM
- - Bling_bling_Angel   "For those who believe, no explanation is nec...   Mar 9 2005, 09:38 PM
- - Chiyo   I suppose suggesting that we evolved rather than c...   Mar 10 2005, 07:01 AM
- - arche   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Mar 9 2005, 02:29 PM)...   Mar 10 2005, 09:50 AM
- - Prinz_Zoisit   i chose a "creation" which could harmoni...   Mar 10 2005, 10:46 AM
- - definingmind   Prinz, just wondering, but have you read through t...   Mar 10 2005, 11:05 AM
|- - Prinz_Zoisit   QUOTE(definingmind @ Mar 10 2005, 07:05 PM)Ge...   Mar 10 2005, 01:28 PM
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|- - definingmind   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Mar 10 2005, 12:33 PM...   Mar 10 2005, 01:23 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(definingmind @ Mar 10 2005, 08:23 PM)QU...   Mar 10 2005, 02:11 PM
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|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(arche @ Mar 10 2005, 08:02 PM)Who creat...   Mar 10 2005, 01:06 PM
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|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Username05 @ Mar 10 2005, 10:28 PM) I h...   Mar 10 2005, 05:19 PM
|- - arche   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Mar 10 2005, 07:19 PM...   Mar 10 2005, 05:37 PM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(arche @ Mar 11 2005, 12:37 AM)QUOTE(Wha...   Mar 10 2005, 05:43 PM
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- - Bling_bling_Angel   Actually, guys, it's all very simple... you...   Mar 10 2005, 11:27 PM
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|- - Prinz_Zoisit   QUOTE(Bling_bling_Angel @ Mar 11 2005, 07:27 ...   Mar 11 2005, 02:22 PM
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- - Raven   Even though I said evolution, I think it's sor...   Mar 11 2005, 07:26 AM
- - What, no bacon?   The idea that mankind was 'designed' to be...   Mar 11 2005, 12:45 PM
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|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Falling_Man @ Mar 12 2005, 04:33 AM)QUO...   Mar 12 2005, 09:28 AM
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- - Username05   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Mar 10 2005, 05:19 PM...   Mar 12 2005, 09:12 AM
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|- - arche   QUOTE(What @ no bacon?,Mar 12 2005, 01:18 PM...   Mar 12 2005, 11:42 AM
- - Username05   Because there is history in creation. There are pl...   Mar 12 2005, 11:35 AM
|- - What, no bacon?   QUOTE(Username05 @ Mar 12 2005, 06:35 PM)Beca...   Mar 12 2005, 11:36 AM
- - Username05   Just ask yourself, "Was somebody there?...   Mar 12 2005, 11:49 AM
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- - RemyLeBeau   What, No Bacon? I can't see how you feel just...   Mar 12 2005, 05:55 PM
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