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The Other Side Of The Gate, Is the history right?
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post Feb 1 2005, 01:29 AM
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And why couldn't they see other stuff from the future then? Like lasers, gundams, spaceships blazing off among the stars and such. If they can see the long ago past and 30 years ahead future, they should be able to see far, far ahead as well. Bones just aren't able to use their materials to the fullest potential dry.gif
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post Feb 1 2005, 05:36 PM
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If I remember correctly, he did see somethings that were pretty recent.



Hate to break it to you, but I don't think we'll be having gundams for a while biggrin.gif


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post Feb 8 2005, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE(Dark State @ Jan 29 2005, 12:00 PM)
yeah...everything that is written is in english.  However, with the WWII thing, the last episode showed Ed in Munich *i may be wrong about his location* in 1920 something....WWII didn't start until the mid 1930's.  I don't think that there is any time travel involved so I don't know how possible that is
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i thought i saw a subtitle saying they were in Munich too. Perhaps the other side of the gate that we're calling "our world" isn't literally supposed to be the world we're in now, but just some world that is very similar to our own. Maybe to make us feel more connected to the series and see the parallels between the two sides of the gates more?

I can't think of any exact quotes from the series now, but does anybody else remember thinking some of the things in the anime (before we knew about whats on the other side of the gate) were reminiscent of things that have happened in our history? as a general example, purging the ishbal people because of their different coloured eyes and skin? Sorry if that is a bit off topic! smile.gif
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post Feb 9 2005, 10:17 AM
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Hitler founded the NSDAP in the 20's, in Munich. The Weimar Republic was crumbeling, and the nationalsocialism was the hope the people was searching for, against the reds. That's the world Ed and Hohenheim are in. And remember Hohenheim is helping Eckhart, the mind of the mystic part of nazism.


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post Feb 9 2005, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(kaori @ Feb 8 2005, 10:44 PM)
I can't think of any exact quotes from the series now, but does anybody else remember thinking some of the things in the anime (before we knew about whats on the other side of the gate) were reminiscent of things that have happened in our history? as a general example, purging the ishbal people because of their different coloured eyes and skin? Sorry if that is a bit off topic!  smile.gif
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That is a point...I saw references like that myself. The anime did a good job incorporating biblical references, current issues, and thought/attitudes to different people.





Oh yeah, Hikari no Hohenheim...thanks for the history lesson biggrin.gif Hitler was involved in creating his nazi party in the 1920's, but didn't WWI end in the 1910's? So why is there combat? But anyway, thanks for explaining the whole 'magic' part to me, it finally makes sense....thought it was some cult till then dry.gif


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post Feb 17 2005, 02:56 PM
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i would like to say some things: first WWII n churchil in early 1920's is historically wrong. Zeppelings were used as weapons n jeap appeared by the end of 1940's. the thing bout the automail n stuff is to make the anime a little more interesting. one thing i noticed is the weapons they used. most of them have automathic guns, which weren't invented till the WWII. shotguns are the same case.

however if we look closely to history books, we will see that by the time ed n al are supposed to be living WWI was going on at the moment. Hitler invented the nazi party by the end of WWI in 1917, he fought in it n then became dictator by 1930's if im not mistaken.

i cant affirm nor deny anithing else for i havent watched all the episodes, but when i do, i'll stop by n leave a short explanation of what i think biggrin.gif
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post Feb 17 2005, 06:21 PM
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I think that Ed's first visit to the other side was 1916 London, while his second visit is 4-5 years later in Munich. It could be a plot device for the 4 years in the movie.
[spoiler]Because with the 4 years basically sacrificed *not really, but it was Ed's sacrifice for Al's transmutation* it could have warped him 4 years later on the other side of the gate *since he still is 16 in 1921 Munich*, and on the FMA world it took 4 years, and addition 2 years after that for the movie itself to take place *basically put Ed and Al at the correct ages, or at least correct distance Al 17 and Ed 18, not Al be 13 and Ed be 18*[/spoiler]

The 1916 thing i heard someplace, forgot where but it seems valid since WWI ended around 1917.
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post Feb 18 2005, 08:15 AM
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Yes, it was 1916 in the first visit. And yes, zeppelins were used by the Second Reich to bomb London. HagaRen's world have some things more advance than our 1914, but some less. They don't have airplanes (neither biplanes nor monoplanes), no radioactivity discovery (I assume), etc. Is a parallel social evolution.

1916 - Ed goes to London and sees the zeppelins raid. WWI. Second Reich attacking British Empire.
1920 - Ed is in Munich. Inflation. Thule Society. Peace. Weimar Republic. Birth of the NSDAP.


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post Apr 10 2005, 05:26 PM
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This thread seems like the right place for this...

I take German in school, and we recently completed a unit on German film in the 1920's. It was a short unit, and I don't pretend to have been made an expert-- but the whole time we were studing films like Metropolis (which has had an anime made of it, you may recall)-- films about the German search for a perfect, artificial human being (the term Homunculi was even used), their delving into moral dilemmas with ungodly or heathenistic ideas and inhuman creatures (Nosferatu comes to mind)... I was sitting in my seat trying not to fall over for laughing because the parallels to FMA were so blindingly obvious.

I bring this up now because of the Newtype scans so wonderfully translated for us-- if you will look closely at this one, in the pink box on the right near the bottom, there is mention of "a man named Mabuse."
Dr. Mabuse is a criminal mastermind featured in a series of (German) movies, from the '20's, by Fritz Lang-- the very same man who is responsible for bringing us Metropolis.

Significant? I certainly like to think so, beyond that someone behind FMA is into obscure films. ...I'm sure there's all sort of analysis to be done with the attitudes of the time period, but in the meantime I'll be very interested to see what else gets worked into my favorite series here. :3
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post Apr 11 2005, 03:47 PM
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So much history and stuff has been implemented into the ending of FMA(strangely I find that interesting)... seems like they planned the movie when the anime was being made. The only things I don't really get are how the alchemy world has invented stuff like automatic weapons, ovens, and automail when if compared to our world they shouldn't have all that stuff. I know that the alchemy world and our world don't necessarily have to be parallel to each other but I find it very odd that they have mixed and old new fashioned inventions, architecture, fashions. That and why Britain is mentioned in the profile of Shou Tucker when Roy tells Edo who he is huh.gif .


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post Apr 12 2005, 05:45 PM
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Please tell me if I understood the end wrong. But does Ed say he is going to visit Oberth in Transylvania? I did a little research on this and at the time the anime took place Oberth was probably already in Munich. It seems like going to Transylvania was a little bit of wasted effort on Ed's part.

I realize I am nitpicking but I am trying to write a fanfiction and I want the history to be as accurate as possible. smile.gif
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post Apr 13 2005, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(Kirara @ Apr 12 2005, 05:45 PM)
Please tell me if I understood the end wrong. But does Ed say he is going to visit  Oberth in Transylvania?  I did a little research on this and at the time the anime took place Oberth was probably already in Munich. It seems like going to Transylvania was a little bit of wasted effort on Ed's part.  

I realize I am nitpicking but I am trying to write a fanfiction and I want the history to be as accurate as possible.  :)
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Yes, that is what he said. I just watched that ep again last night so it's still fresh in my mind. (:

It sounds like it's *all* wasted effort on Ed's part since we know that rockets won't be used to transport humans for the next few decades (provided that *is* our timeline, about 20 more years until the V2 is developed), and I believe there was something in one of the scans for the movie which indicated that Ed had given up on the rocketry idea. I really wish I could remember exactly where I saw this, but it might ring a bell for someone.

If the fic is already in progress, can you link to it? Ever since finishing the series I've been interested in the fics taking place afterward to see how different people are handling it. There's an excellent one up on fanfiction.net as well which is still in progress, in which the writer researched all the history.
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At this point it is still a work in progress. I am not content with it enough to post it yet but thanks for your interest. If I ever get around to completing it I will post it here (I get really annoyed at fanfiction writers who post things without finishing and leave readers hanging so I won't post it till I am actually done).

But anyways do you mind posting the link to that fanfiction. It sounds interesting. smile.gif
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post Apr 14 2005, 08:38 AM
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in my opinion, i think the world is the human world we are in, but it's all messed around. he seemd to be in munich germany, but there were things from all sorts of european nations. and the historical figures, too.

like somebody above said, it's just anime.

let's just wait until the movie comes out and we can see for ourselves.. then ask all the questions. when there is a possibilty of somebody answering it somewhat correct. right now we are answering questions based on personal thoughts and opinions. lol.

wow i am so tired right now. i bet i am not making sense.

in my head i am though... ohmy.gif
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post Apr 14 2005, 01:40 PM
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That fanfiction... dunno if you are refering to the some one that I got hooked on, is called "He who searches for himself" by a fanfic writer named "Yuuki HIkari"... I think you can find it in the ff.net search engine? (sorry, too lazy to go dig it up at ff.net ^^; )


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