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Hard Question, Would you kill an innocent child to cure mankind of all disease?
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post Jan 5 2005, 03:07 PM
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Wow, I never knew there were so many utilitarians on this message board. biggrin.gif


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post Jan 5 2005, 03:50 PM
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^^ me neither, Quis, me neither.

Curing a disease doesn't make the world perfect for everyone, nor does it make us any better off. There's always something else to fill the void. Another disease will take the place of the one that's just cured, and would you take another life to cure that one? It's a continuous cycle.


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post Jan 5 2005, 05:54 PM
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Yes, it's actually typical for people to be utilitarian, which is very sad. I wish people were more deontological in their ethics, but hey, utilitarianism feels good. Well it feels good until you're the child to be sacrificed ohmy.gif


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post Jan 5 2005, 05:57 PM
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Maybe we could counter this tendency to be utilitarian by teaching Kant early in school. huh.gif


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They first have to teach Kant at all. Schools don't teach philosophy anymore in secondary ed. They wait until college for at least the american system. It's a shame. Then you get all these people who would kill children for the hope of curing diseases - it's a scary world isn't it blink.gif


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I still don't understand why Philosophy isn't taught earlier. sad.gif And it's because most people don't make it to college that they never receive this sort of education, which results all these utilitarians. Ugh.


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Technically studying philosophy won't solve utilitarianism, but at least people will think.

My favorite is when people think that Vulcan logic is actually logic. It's not a logical necessity to say, "the good of the many over the good of the few or one". It's just as logical technically to say, "the good of the one is greater than the good of the many" tongue.gif.


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QUOTE(Zio @ Jan 5 2005, 01:44 PM)
Got the cold? Kill a child! Got the flu? Kill a child! Got cancer? Ladies and Gentlemen, start your chainsaws!

God,you're an evil bastard.


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QUOTE(alchemist349 @ Jan 5 2005, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE(Zio @ Jan 5 2005, 01:44 PM)
Got the cold? Kill a child! Got the flu? Kill a child! Got cancer? Ladies and Gentlemen, start your chainsaws!

God,you're an evil bastard.

Actually, I found that comment quite funny. biggrin.gif Is there something wrong with me?


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QUOTE(Quistis88 @ Jan 5 2005, 05:17 PM)
QUOTE(alchemist349 @ Jan 5 2005, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE(Zio @ Jan 5 2005, 01:44 PM)
Got the cold? Kill a child! Got the flu? Kill a child! Got cancer? Ladies and Gentlemen, start your chainsaws!

God,you're an evil bastard.

Actually, I found that comment quite funny. biggrin.gif Is there something wrong with me?

Not at all. I was actually laughing when I read it. tongue.gif


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Well sorry. I never said it was ethically correct, but people are likely to die by some disease anyways: Cancer, aids, hepatytus, malaria, etc. If theyare likely to die by disease I don't see how this is EXTREMELY terrible. I wouldn't kill them unless they volunteered anyways. I couldn't bear the guilt. I see what you guys mean, and if it really helps soooo many people how can it be bad. I would kill myslef if it cured all diseases.

I do see that there are other problems and there will be new ones to come along... If all disease was wiped off the face of the earth than longevity would definitely go up. Population would soar and there would not be enough houses, food, water and other materials for everyone.... I guess I shouldn't kill that person. But you can't blame the people that would (not entirely) they are looking at the broader picture.

None of this really matters because man will destroy himself (woman, herself smile.gif) Global warming will probably kill us. The ice caps are melting and Bush isn't exactly environmental friendly. Also, our eating habbits (at least the Americans) are terrible. We are taking from nature but we take more than we give back. Our resources are limited and we take the atmosphere for granted. We will be our own undoing, not disease.


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No,but i'm watching my ass.I 'm only 12.


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No at what?


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QUOTE(Ailuro @ Jan 5 2005, 06:18 PM)
Not at all. I was actually laughing when I read it.  tongue.gif

Oh, good. Then I'm not alone. laugh.gif Or is it just us?


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When I first read this, I thought about Jesus dying to save all, even though he was innocent. (no sin committed)
(yeah, I might be stepping over boundaries, or on some toes, but so be it.)

Then I thought about it. Hard decicion. unsure.gif

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Spared the child. Even if he did cure everyone, I don't have a guarentee on it.
It's not like I can check every single person for sickness. And killing 'em would weigh on mind too much.


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